>troy
>trojans
Shouldn't we be calling them "Troyans"?
Troy
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wtf
> English spelling
It's Latin, son.
The English simply pronounce the 'j' as a normal English 'j', not as a Latin one.
Troy isn't pronounced with a j in Latin and neither is Trojans
Read the post again; I never said that.
>it's latin
WE
Once I learned people from Manchester are called Mancunian I said fuck it and pretty much stopped questioning demonyms.
In Latin:
>Troy=Troiae
>Trojans=Troiani
I don't see no j or y so it boils down to *nglo """phonetics"""
Latin consonantal 'i' can be written 'j', hence
> Troja
> Trojanus
Troyee
Troyeeani
So therefore, "Troyans" is the most the correct.
Absolutely not, it cannot.
I've always been interested about that city in France called Troyes, is it pure coincidence?
Didn't I already say it boils down to *nglo phonetics?
Very common, actually.
Note the 'jam'.
No. The frequency of its usage depends on the nation. Is a medieval evolution of spelling.
These pages have
> Johannes
> cujusdam
> adjunxerunt
> jurare
It was common practice, throughout renaissance Europe, to write consonantal 'i' as a 'j'. It has only recently (last 100 years or so) gone back to consonantal 'i'.
Troad is acceptable.
The 'Troad' is technically the area around Troy.
You can blame the Romans for this. Latin intervocalic "y" became "j" (I'm assuming you don't know IPA).
>latin
>j
How retarded can you be
Renaissance Latin is still Latin, you imbecile.
Did the trojans speak latin?
No, and no one ever said they did.
right there you curtsy faggot
>Greece
>Greeks
Shoudn't we be calling them "Greeceians"?
Greekese
Read the thread, idiot.
The English pronounce 'Trojan' the way they do because the word comes from the Latin word 'Troia' which has an intervocalic or consonantal 'i' which was written 'j' in Renaissance Latin.
Greecemen
Latin.
Greece = Graecia (Graekya)
Greek = Graecus (Graekus)
>read my alt history larp
maybe if you weren't a moron with no education
> complaining about history on a history board
Be quiet, kid, adults are talking.
>kid
IT was. Read Cassius’ monologue to Brutus in Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar; it was rendered Troyan.
A different variation must have been Troian, which was mutated into Trojan as people ITT have said
My bad, it was actually A Midsummer’s Night Dream
This is the best shitpost I have seen in a while. Good job, OP
Jesus Christ, you are incredibly dense. This is a well-established tendency in English, to mis-pronounce our Latin-descended words because our phonology has changed. Same reason Brits pronounce French words incorrectly
Was it an actual mispronunciation or did the typeset just use "j" in place of "i" similar to how some typesets used "f" in the place of "s"?
That’s not an f, it’s a long s
Jesus. Just stop posting.
It's a country named after people, not people named after country.
>Brits pronounce French words incorrectly
they're not speaking French at all.
Nor are modern english speakers speakkng Latin. I'm referring to the way French words are pronounced in British English, such as pronouncing the "T" in the word "fillet." It is normal for us to pronounce Latin words, like "Trojan" or "Caesar," in accordance with modern orthographical rules, rather than the way they were pronounced by native speakers
You do realise that the 't' was originally pronounced, right? The French have had their fair share of pronunciation changes.
Good question. No. It's related to the name of a local Celtic tribe.
Αυγουστοβονα, Αυγουστομανα, Αυγουστόβονα : ~150 bce
Civitas Tricassium : 4th century
Tricassa : ~360
Augustobonam, Augustobona : 381 383
Aug(usto)Bona : 435
Trecæ : 493
Trecassis : 6th century
Trecassium civitas : 637
Urbs Trecassina : 650
Trecassense oppidum : 656
Augusta Tricorum : 858
Treci / Augusta Trecorum civitas : 890
Treche : 1218
Troies : 1230
Troys : 1370
Troyes-sur-Seine : 1697
Troyes : 1793
The letter "J" is a recent invention.
Fuck english
Tpoя
тpoянцы
Same shit with aryans
Apии - aryans
Apья - ???
And we think they should.
>~150 bce
Should have been
>~150 ce