>mfw Ottoman royalty and aristocracy was white as evidenced from many portraits, because of circassian, Balkan and byzantine intermarriage
>mfw the janissaries, the military and bureaucratic elite of the ottoman empire was made up of caucasian and Balkan white converts and kidnapped >mfw the mamelukes, a warrior caste that ruled egypt and parts of the middle east for almost 1000 years were largely white >mfw baibars, the greatest islamic hero was a distinctly white circassian mameluke >mfw most of the barbary states pirate leaders were white, f.e. the dutch and english converts and Barbarossa
Baibars is literally described as being blonde, tall with a white spec in one of his blue eyes, being very distinct from the swarthy gyppo populace over which h ruled with his mamelukes.
I wanna thank the kara boga poster for his endless memery, at last I truly see how subhuman nonwhites are, even throughout history.
Ataturk was white af as well now that I think of it.
Cooper Thompson
Caucasians were reputed to be the highest standard of beauty. One of the reasons why caucasian became a racial term
Gavin Ortiz
You need to understand something right now. The Ottoman upper-class was literally not Turkish. They weren't Turks. They actually looked down on Turks.
The Ottoman upper-class was composed primarily of people who'd been born as Christians, and kidnapped at a very young age. These children were then given very specialized education designed to make them the most loyal subjects of the Sultan. The Sultan would rely on these people specifically because they had no connections to anybody besides him, and thus they were completely dependent on him. Thus, they could be depended on to be fiercely loyal. These were people who the Sultan trusted more than his own sons. Most of them were born in southeast Europe, the Balkans. Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, etc.
David Bennett
>Caucasian variety – I have taken the name of this variety from Mount Caucasus, both because its neighborhood, and especially its southern slope, produces the most beautiful race of men, I mean the Georgian; and because all physiological reasons converge to this, that in that region, if anywhere, it seems we ought with the greatest probability to place the autochthones (original members) of mankind. >–Johann Friedrich Blumenbach lmao
Cameron Nguyen
Almost all Turks are/were white
Austin Cruz
Ladies and Gentlemen: the rightful King of England.
Joshua Green
>As a sophisticated ruling class, the Ottomans looked down upon the Turkish peasantry, calling them Eşek Turk (the donkey Turk) and Kaba Turk (stupid Turk). Expressions like "Turk-head" and "Turk-person" were contemptuously used by Ottomans when they wanted to denigrate each other.[26][27][28] In the early modern period, an educated urban-dwelling Turkish-speaker who was not a member of the military-administrative class would refer to himself neither as an Osmanlı nor as a Türk, but rather as a Rūmī (رومى), or "Roman", meaning an inhabitant of the territory of the former Byzantine Empire in the Balkans and Anatolia. The term Rūmī was also used to refer to Turkish-speakers by the other Muslim peoples of the empire and beyond
The first Caliph of Cordoba, great-grandson of the King of Pamplona, described as having "white skin, blue eyes."
Henry Bell
The were Black Wh*Toid, KARA BOGA
Lucas Baker
Anatolian people like the 'Turks' (plus coastal Levantines like the Lebanese) have the same skin tone as southern Europeans (and are, genetically, fairly close to them). This was scientifically proven.
Brandon Howard
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Luke Foster
>Canadian natives. >Same skin tone as Scandinavians. Silliness
Evan Cooper
This sort of, the reason the ottomans started using kidnapped christian boys was because they wouldn't have any link to the anatolian turkish nobility so it would be harder for these nobles to cause trouble when the administrators were not linked to them in a way. Also there were also sipahis which were the elite cavalry of the empire and these guys were turks ,when the jannisaries became corrupt and shit these motherfuckers are the ones that eventually massacred the lot. Also mamelukes were a mix between turks and circassians most of them were turks though. The amount of converted barbary corsairs were a tiny minority too only reason they have so much information on them is because they were seen as traitors by western europeans. And finally even if the first ottoman bey was turkmen they started to view themself above races and only identified by religion and dynasty even though the language they spoke was persianized turkish.
Julian Evans
>Also there were also sipahis which were the elite cavalry of the empire and these guys were turks They were a mix of Anatolian and Rumelian Turks and non-Turks, with many being converted Christian aristocrats and some not even converts. Something like a third of the Sipahis were still Christian in the early 17th century, after which they were steadily converted and phased out.
Gabriel Foster
That still makes the majority of them turks.
Dylan Nelson
Shut up kaba T*rk. Esek t*rks like you are a disgusting race of brown peasant subhumans .
Wyatt Anderson
Shut the FUCK up, wh*Tey. We are BLACK men.
Jonathan Morgan
wtf im a muslim now
Joshua Watson
>predicted
Josiah Brooks
when the white man wasn't such a pussy, no longer the case though
Nolan Garcia
Ainu confirmed for whites?
Elijah Perry
>when you realise that the Turks never actually won and defeated the Byzzies
Hunter Hall
You know rich people tended to be light skinned due to never being under the sun, grab any sandnigger, give him a nice house from childhood and a comfy office job as an adult and you'll notice he won't look like toasted bread.
Cooper Ross
because all those London pakis have skin as white as snow and silky golden hair
Camden Walker
b-but it's so sunny in London.
James Martin
>WE WUZ wh*Tes are fucking retarded
Also lolling at calling subhuman Greeks (Byzantines) wh*Te lmao they're Arabs. You have got to be extremely retarded to call Greeks white. Well, you're posting on /his so your IQ is low as fuck. You European subhumans will never understand. You're below subhumans. You're our harem women and boys. That's fucking all.
>wh*Te subhuman calling anyone "subhuman"
LOL fucking soyboy. I'd love to beat the shit out of you right fucking now. Who the fuck do you think you are LMAO. YOu're the only subhuman here.
>Byzaboo subhuman delusions
Let me remind you, low IQ, that we ruled your subhuman former Byzantine lands as the KHANS, PADISHAHS and SULTANS (main titles of Ottoman sultans), we kicked Greek and Armenian subhumans out of Anatolia and completely Turkified (and Kurdified sadly) Anatolia. Now no more than 2000 people speak Greek here. On top of that, religion is Hanafi Islam. We turned the biggest church of Byzantines into a mosque. How the fuck we didn't defeat Byzantines? Tell me, pseudo-Roman boo. Byzantines were not Roman yes. I'm more Roman than entire Byzantine Empire combined. That's how Roman Byzantines are. Or maybe is it because some subhuman >BALKAN >RAPEBABIES that didn't call themselves Turkish? Who the fuck cares? They're subhuman rapebabies. We're better off without subhuman rapebabies. Because we crushed subhuman Balkanrapebabies. Balkanrapebabies are still anally asshurt about us because they're subhuman rapebabies that got raped by us. They have no history other than Turkish slavery.
We're not close to Southern Europeans. Southern Europeans are moor rapebabies anyway. Not white
You European subhumans disgust me. There's a reason why we're genociding your kind in Europe with Pakis, Afghans and Blacks. You pale pimpy dicks disgust us. I hope we start the white genocide next year so that I won't have to read low IQ wewuzzing on his.
John Gutierrez
Wew.
Benjamin Garcia
Please commit soduko
Michael Phillips
ok man all we need is the we are secretly all nords and not from africa posts next
Dominic Ross
>muh rapebabies
Landon Moore
>being mad online
Luis Moore
The Turks in Anatolia were/are also mixed with Persians, Arabs and Anatolians.
Easton Nelson
Quality post
Easton Davis
Butthurt
Ryder Reed
It's true that in the oriental empires, most of the elite military caste was made of europeans ; But the military isn't the sole function in empires. It is just a weird kind of specialization that happened because of a number of reasons. Just like the majority of the clerics were arabs, the majority of scientists were persians, etc.
Tyler Rogers
Yes, Europeans are great warriors. Usually the Ottoman aristocracy was a bunch of pampered, sissified hedonistic homosexuals who needed Europeans to actually lead their armies and fight their wars. Sometimes the Europeans had enough being bossed around by a pack of trannies so they ended up uprooting them. Osman II was imprisoned and killed by his own Janissary subjects for example. Also it's important to note that after the Ottocucks got rid of the Janissaries, their military became total shit for a century, pretty much until Ataturk who once again was European.
Nathaniel Watson
is this why we conquered Europe lol >wh*Te subhuman delusions also behind every Ottoman defeat, there's a low IQ balkanrapebaby commander. See: Siege of Wien
Jack Campbell
Dont feed the ottoboo troll. He is a roach who tries to prove he shouldn't be considered a roach for like weeks now.
Noah Bailey
How does it feel being commanded and rape by "low iq" christian rapebabes? You are so useless you need "low iq rapebabies" to command you.
Kevin Jones
Those sissified pampered faggots were the europeana you faggot. While they were fucking eachother in the ass the turkish sipahis were actually still loyal to the throne living normal lifes in their village. Fcking one of the reasons the ottoman empire fell was because cucky sultans couldn't contain the slavshit degeneracy which enabled the jannisaries to become corrupt traitorous niggers. Whenever the sultans tried to reform the jannisaries would go against it even dethroning sultans from time to time. Also when the jannisaries fucked off the ottoman army actually managed to get a semblance of discipline going. Napoleon's french army even got halted in the levant by this new army.
Levi Diaz
>we conquered Europe First, you didn't. Unless you think all of Europe is located in the Balkans. Second, it wasn't "you" who conquered the Balkans. It was the Europeans in your ranks while you were busy combing your ass hair and having sex with little boys.
Julian Campbell
They literally became turks but slavshit genes are appearantly too shitty to do anything productive with.
Logan Baker
>Sultans were such bitches they got cucked by their own slaves, and repeatedly
Luis Murphy
The more european the sultans genetically became the more cucky the became.
Benjamin Morales
modern western countries all have mediterranean elits (jews, italians etc)
Brandon Lopez
Aside from Napoleon where for the love of fuck did the Italians constitute the elite?
Cameron Martin
>the rulers were Europeans >the warriors were Europeans >the clerks and the chroniclers were Europeans Who were the actual Turks then? I guess the peasant rabble.
Easton Murphy
You know that jannisaries were a minority in the army right? A overrated minority at that.
Julian Ortiz
>typing all of this in English >he doesn't even realize whites won a long time ago
Get angloed faggot, you're living in a white mans world
Dylan Foster
Your ancestors were shoveling horse manure for their European Ottoman overlords, why should I give a fuck about what you have to say?
Thomas Torres
Why would they when they were riding the horses and the european's women.
Jordan Mitchell
Have fun with pakis speaking english in london user.
Tyler White
They were attending to the horses while their lords were riding their wives.
Chase Myers
Sipahis and akincis were turks and they were the cavalry while the european jannisaries would be fighting on foot like cannonfodder.
Levi Watson
If so then /pol/ should quit bitching about Islam since White Greatness is achievable under Muslim rule.
Colton Gomez
Wrong on both counts. The Ottoman Royalty and Aristocracy had a complicated relationship with Turkicness.
Generally, in everyday life, the Ottoman Aristocracy saw themselves as refined Muslim Gentlemen, with Persiaboo tendencies. As such, Persian was considered a court language and Classical Arabic the language of learning. Sure, the life of a Turkic was looked down upon as unsophisticated and even barbaric.
However in their capacity as military leaders, the Ottoman Aristocracy literally adopts every fucking Steppenigger military convention in their martial culture. This is seen in their preference for fighting as cavalrymen, their military dresses which largely retained the steppenigger cut, hairstyles like topknots typical of their Turkic forebears, and not to mention all the Central Asian descended weapons.
There's a reason why "Khagan" (Khan of Khans) is part of the list of titles an Ottoman Padishah has.
Levi Barnes
*sniffs* Smells like rapebaby
Cooper Anderson
Saved
Cameron Scott
ITT: wh*Te subhumans wewuzzing about how they were enslaved by TRUKs and ysed as nerds. Lmao wh*te fucking monkeys. We conquered you, we beat the shit out of you, we raped you and here today you’re wewuzzing about how you were viziers and shieet :DDDD You’re subhuman. We’re your masters. Deal with it. I laugh at your attempts to wh*Tewash TURKs. We’re a much more noble people. Also, wh*Tewashing us won’t help your low fertility rates. We weill HANG YOU from LAPPOSTS. We will RUN OVER YOU with TRUCKS.
Christopher Bailey
>so seething every other word is a typo Go clean my stable peasant.
Angel Sullivan
what book do you suggest on the ottomans
Nicholas Russell
Muhammad was white too. Quran describes him as white, while one of islamic traditions suggets that he was ginger
Jeremiah Bailey
Ottomans were R1a-Z93 NORDICS.
Jacob Richardson
nigga he's not even turkish
Dylan Clark
Turks =/= Turkic Cumans were not turks
Carson Flores
People of the Caucasus aren't white.
White = genetically European
Nathan Miller
Hot
Lincoln Phillips
Turks, balkanics and greeks are all shit tier compared to western europeans anyway
Anthony Lee
bump
Jason Gomez
>when you think real life is a video game: the image
Michael Brown
>Ottoman royalty and aristocracy was white correct. and not only the aristocracy. this fact extends to north africa, all of arabia and the levant, afghanistan, india and parts of pakistan. all white.
Robert Walker
Most of the Ottoman elite and also Egyptian dynasties were not just "white" as you claim, but even more specifically Albanian. The entire ruling dynasty of Egypt after Mohammad Ali was of Albanian descent. Many of the Ottoman Grand Viziers and Janissaries were Albanians and Greeks. Albania's national hero was a Janissary kidnapped from childhood, led a rebellion of other Albanian troops (which were about 80% of Ottoman elite troops), and marched to Albania where he led a resistance for about 40 years. Ataturk was also either fully or half-Albanian, being born to an Albanian family in Selanik. He was famous for being blonde haired and blue eyed.
Albanians ruled the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years.
Alexander Howard
Ayy Lebanese Christian here. Rate me from 1 to Shitskin
Landon Murphy
you werent locked out of advancing the social ladder based on ethnicity, turks werent as numerous to start with and they conquered a bunch of different ppl
if anything its a multiculti empire so kind of the opposite of what you are trying to say polfag
William Williams
>only sensible post in this thread gets ignored
I really hate this shitty board, you niggers aren't here to learn history only to jerk off to your ancestors whose descendants are getting replaced by literal niggers and arabs
Justin Morris
Nigga if you speak a turkic language you are turkic its that easy turkics were never homogenous even back in the xiongnu days the turkics were mixed but shared a common culture and identity. You /pol/niggers need to understand that genes are very low on the list when determining an ethnicity.
Carson Parker
You look like a turk desu.
Sebastian Baker
/ghoulcore/
Grayson Martin
he doesnt. back to r/socialism
Julian Murphy
>if you speak a turkic language you are turkic yes >shared a common culture and identity no
Brandon Reyes
Indeed. And dont forget Ali pasha tepelena
Brody Phillips
Is there a more flexible meme group than white people? you get to deny or incorporate anyone with light skin as long as they fit your narrative >1939: slavs are subhumans >2018: turks are white the absolute state of white identitarians
Jose Peterson
t. Butthurt brown peasant
Levi Thompson
>this thread
Veeky Forums is literally worse than /pol/
David Perry
forensic anthropologists place you firmly in the caucasian category, meaning you're white.
Dominic Ortiz
Sorry for upsetting you Mehmet, now go back to tilling my fields.
Austin Clark
I don't think you understand what this image is actually showing.