For many years I've been depressed and suicidal, and actually botched some suicide attempts.
But today something happened, I've realized that the root of my suffering is not achieving what I desire. Having relationships with other people, material wealth, the fancy job, having sex (which I've actually had before) and many more, these are things that don't actually make me happy, the society I live in conditioned me to desire these things, but desiring these things and not getting them causes me great suffering and frustration. Even not achieving suicide brought me despair, knowing that I will pussy out at the last minute, or that somehow I will botch my attempt.
I no longer have to keep being depressed and suicidal, or keep drinking and using drugs all day everyday to ease the pain and suffering, and most importantly, I no longer have to be enslaved to my worldly desires.
I realized I can get rid of want, I just don't know how to proceed from here. Centuries ago people like this ("robots" of today) were revered for their wisdom, people capable of living alone by themselves independently without being enslaved to desire. Now society just shuns this kind of people.
How do I proceed from here, do you recommend any reads?
Picture very related, how real enlightenment looks like, in my eyes.
Fuck off, this isn't /adv/, if you want to blog post there are thousands of alternative methods. You aren't a wise sage born in the wrong century, you're just a loser.
Jason Powell
I'm not looking for advice, isn't this the board closest to philosophy? Last time I checked it said "History & Humanities".
Did you even bother reading my post?
Lucas Harris
You should meditate every day and also to daily cardio exercise and lift weights. This will help you maintain the positive attitude. While you're exercising listen to audiobooks about Stoicism. "The Daily Stoic" is a good one.
John Collins
This is a good start, get fit and strong while you aren't broke as fuck, it's a lot easier to do when you have money. It will be important for the next part, which is...
Learn to fulfill your basic needs, independently. If you're gonna let go of wordly desires you can't be dependent on a grocery store for your food, or sleeping in your own home every night. All that shit connects you to the world of people which is artificial and stupid.
Like you can still go have a burger and fries if you have cash and want a burger and fries, but you need to be able to make do without this societal comfort bubble if you're gonna say shucks to being a normie. Otherwise you'll just get shoehorned back into being a normie because you need money, peer approval, legal protection, and other stupid shit.
I actually enjoy lifting, I used to play ameteur football, I was into powerlifting. Alcoholism and drug abuse took that away from me. I started lifting some months ago but I relapsed and stopped training, I'm starting Starting Strength again this week.
Today I realized I can still do a fuckton of pullups and dips with no troubles, like I could keep going indefinitely.
>While you're exercising listen to audiobooks about Stoicism. "The Daily Stoic" is a good one. Thanks, I'll definitely check this out.
>Learn to fulfill your basic needs, independently. If you're gonna let go of wordly desires you can't be dependent on a grocery store for your food, or sleeping in your own home every night. All that shit connects you to the world of people which is artificial and stupid.
>Like you can still go have a burger and fries if you have cash and want a burger and fries, but you need to be able to make do without this societal comfort bubble if you're gonna say shucks to being a normie. Otherwise you'll just get shoehorned back into being a normie because you need money, peer approval, legal protection, and other stupid shit.
This is what troubles me right now, I feel like I hit a wall. I don't know how to let go off my "fancy" job or money or these worldly desires. I want to let go, and I think it's the path that my heart really wants, but I don't know how to. This looks impossible to me without monkhood or living in a monastery or something like that, but these could be misconceptions. I'll keep reading stuff and looking for answers.
Grayson Barnes
>isn't this the board closest to philosophy? No, that's
Logan Rogers
Hey man, it's hard being a jedi, but just imagine what living like that is like.
You don't have to leap off the cliff into an uncertain world, you can get by for now while building the skills and fortitude you'll need to finally let go. Once you're fully confident in yourself it might be an easier choice to make.
Noah Gomez
Physically take care of yourself but do it gradually, don't go from being a slob to having a bodybuilder's diet overnight. Put a premium on getting good sleep, proper hydration and adequate resting time inbetween exercise
It's much more important to stretch before your exercise and exercise at all then getting the exercises correct
Form is much more important than anything
Don't stress over dieting too much, like I said earlier do it gradually and most of it is self-evident shit you learned more or less in high school
Research different metaphysical systems and piece bits and pieces that you like together
Stay out of modern political discourse because it's all garbage anyway
Jason Robinson
>actually botched some suicide attempts How do you botch a suicide attempt?
Tens of thousands of people every year die by accident without even trying, just going about their normal daily routine when death suddenly takes them. If you're actively trying to die, how can you not succeed?
Christian Clark
>swallow pills but don't die >hang yourself but the rope snaps or some other malfunction >jump off something high and live >cut yourself but don't bleed but fast enough to die
Stuff off the top of my head
Nathaniel Ward
This user () has a good point to make. I'll help you with what I have on my notes about Stoicism...
Stoicism
Early Stoa >Zeno of Citium >Chrysippus of Soli
Late Stoa >Seneca the Younger >Epictetus >Marcus Aurelius
almost all of human want/desire/need is based in biology
we have bodily needs - food water shelter we have social needs - companionship, sense of belonging, self esteem we have human needs - sense of meaning, purpose, etc
and when you get all of those, you are not delivered over to happiness, but rather boredom, which you need to deal with
Andrew Lee
Bruh post on Veeky Forums if you want philosophy recommendation. This board only features /pol/lite things nowadays
>How do I proceed from here, do you recommend any reads? Thulean perspective outlook at life. Specifically where he mentions how you should need less things and be as self sufficient as you can.
Colton Lewis
>having sex (which I've actually had before) You sounds like an insecure virgin tho
Jonathan Myers
>The Meditations >-Marcus Aurelius Spot the brainlet
Dylan Stewart
not the guy who posted this list but what's wrong with suggesting the meditations by marcus aurelius?
you're quite sure the brainlet isn't you?
Ethan Johnson
Kek
Liam Watson
>which I've actually had before Virgin confirmed
Matthew Carter
That's nice. In a way, you discovered something that most people never will.
Epicureanism is also similar to what he wants.
Maslow is shit.
Jonathan Jenkins
Read the Bhagavad Gita
Bentley Howard
Killyourself faggot
Elijah Nguyen
If you weren't a dumb cunt then you'd know that swallowing pills and cutting yourself is a retarded way to seppuku and literally never works. You want to die for sure? Go to some deep lake in the middle of the night, tie weights to your body and fall into it. Even if someone tries to help you, they won't be able to untie you, if you use locks for the weights and throw the key away as well.
Dylan Jenkins
If you don't like it here, just do like your "revered robots of the past" and go live in a forest/mountain in hermitage instead of being a broken junkie.
Mason Green
ok
David Peterson
All "depression" can be cured with a hobby and/or a job. Maybe stop wallowing in adolescent self-pity.
Charles Carter
Don't bother. He likes the drama of suicide but is too much of a pussy to do it.
William Collins
Retarded tier parroted response, there are plenty of depressed people with jobs
Benjamin Watson
Don't mean to rain on your parade, but the desire for resources, status and sex are in your blood. Unless youre some kind of misanthrope but theyre exceptions to the rule. I'm sort of an anti-cynic, but I still agree with the "living in accordance with nature" stuff. I think cynics have a very backwards idea of what nature is.
Alexander Gomez
The desire for status isn't in his blood, it's the desire for social approval which isn't necessarily status
Ayden Phillips
That's just shifting definitions around. What I mean by status is an influential/prestigious/respected position in the social hierarchy.
Christopher Hernandez
Not at all, that's not "natural", look at any primitive tribe and there is zero or next to zero hierarchy, what he needs is to fulfill his tribal need for companionship, that's the only thing which is engrained in our human nature, anything else is artificial
Liam Myers
>look at any primitive tribe and there is zero or next to zero hierarchy not exactly verifiable maybe you could count africans or native americans but they all had chiefs and squabbled with each other.
Angel Rodriguez
Mostly because they do not love their jobs.
I'm surprised that a "History & Humanities" board has not suggested that OP study. A passion for literature and science is always a good remedy for meloncholy. Most people who complain about suicidal depression are in high school or college, and for them it's not too late to get serious about intellectual pursuits.
Jack Cook
>not exactly verifiable
Yes it is, Pygmey were studied for a century and they had almost no hierarcy, same with current Amazonian tribes, Papuan hunter gatherers etc
> but they all had chiefs and squabbled with each other.
Squabbling doesn't imply a hierarchy inside of the tribe, neither does the existence of an elder or a chief
Christian Gutierrez
You really think that hierarchy does not "naturally" exist? Even without riches or resources (like primitive tribes), there is always a smartest man, a strongest man, etc. These people naturally lead because they can lead the best.
Matthew Rodriguez
>You really think that hierarchy does not "naturally" exist?
Yes it doesn't among most primitive tribes, hell it didn't exist even in primitive agriculturalists and in some other complex societies
> there is always a smartest man, a strongest man, etc
No, in many tribes men are equals
> These people naturally lead because they can lead the best.
Even if some tribes have a leader (not all of them) said leader doesn't have access to more resources (food, women) than other males in most cases
Carter Collins
>in some tribes there is a hierarchy in some there isnt okay? so why are you saying it's human nature to have 0 hierarchy? obviously it varies. To put it crudely, some humans seem to have a chimpish nature and others a bonoboish nature.
Cooper Sullivan
Yes and that's culture, this thing about greed being ingrained in his blood isn't true, we can reject greed for parsimony as well and that's as much in our blood as greed
