How do people survive wageslaving for so many years? I'm only 30 and I legitimately want to kill myself already...

No I don't have any friends, never had a girlfriend (too much of an ugly beta), no siblings, and my family has always been cold and distant. There really isn't any purpose for me to exist.

Again, read Frankl's "Man Search For Meaning". It's about his experience in a concentration camp. He had every reason to believe that his life was purposeless and had no meaning.

According to Frankl, meaning can be found through:

- Experiencing reality by interacting authentically with the environment and with others,

- Giving something back to the world through creativity and self-expression, and

- Changing our attitude when faced with a situation or circumstance that we cannot change.

Frankl is credited with coining the term ‘Sunday neurosis’ to refer to the dejection that many people feel at the end of the working week when at last they have the time to realize just how empty and meaningless their life has become. This existential vacuum may open the door on all sorts of excesses and compensations such as neurotic anxiety, avoidance, binge eating, drinking, overworking, and overspending. In the short-term, these excesses and compensations carpet over the existential vacuum, but in the longer term they prevent action from being taken and meaning from being found.

For Frankl, depression results when the gap between what a person is and what he ought to be, or once wished to be, becomes so large that it can no longer be carpeted over. The person’s goals seem far out of reach and he can no longer envisage a future. As in Psalm 41, abyssus abyssum invocat—‘hell brings forth hell’, or, in an alternative translation, ‘the deep calls unto the deep.’

If you have any more questions or comments let me know man. I thought you were doing a meme at first but since you're serious I want to help.

Get a hobby to look forward to

Here's some relevant quotes from Frankl

1. Our greatest freedom is the freedom to choose our attitude.

2. When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.

3. But there was no need to be ashamed of tears, for tears bore witness that a man had the greatest of courage, the courage to suffer.

4. In some ways suffering ceases to be suffering at the moment it finds a meaning, such as the meaning of a sacrifice.

5. The meaning of life is to give life meaning.

6. Those who have a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'.

7. Life is never made unbearable by circumstances, but only by lack of meaning and purpose.

8. Happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue.

9. The point is not what we expect from life, but rather what life expects from us.

10. For the world is in a bad state, but everything will become still worse unless each of us does his best.

Your purpose is to be reconciled to the Lord God, there is no life outside the living word.

Also, Jordan Peterson is a good person to listen to as well. IDK if you already listen to him but it's good stuff.

One of my favorite quotes from Peterson goes something like this:

"There's a reason why hell is viewed as a bottomless pit. It's because no matter how bad things currently are, some stupid son of a bitch like you could make things a lot worse".

Drugs, painkillers and benzos mostly. Also smoke pot on your lunch break

escaping wagecuckery is my biggest dream
I'm just 24 and I already see I won't survive this. Life is a fucking madness. How the fuck do normies manage to keep it going like this until they hit 65 or so
I my crypto game doesn't work out the way I'm anticipating it I seriously consider killing myself, gtfo on the other end of the world or something. I feel sick every morning, tired, sleep depraved etc

You're born just in time to fight in the incoming race war. Gear up and prepare yourself.

Read my replies above.

You don't have to suffer through wagecucking your whole life.

Are you really pushing holohoax bullshit here?

easy, you're too much of a pussy to do anything else so you just spend your life feeling like shit

What other choice do I have? If I quit my job, I'll quickly run out of money, get evicted, become homeless, and probably die of starvation shortly thereafter.

Go fuck yourself you imbecile. Real, useful life lessons can be learned from Holocaust survivors.

Holocaust deniers can go neck themselves.

fucking kike

Too bad it didn't happen.

>How the fuck do normies manage to keep it going like this until they hit 65 or so

They arent. Retirement ages get increased constantly because pension crisis looming. In murrica no boomers have saved money enough to retire. And people have actually started dying earlier in the first time in history, obesity, financial problems, opiod epidemic, they dont even make till 65 alive! :P

>tfw you're 23 and have never worked a day in your life
>legitimately on the autism bucks
>three bedroom apartment from social housing
>whole day is spend daytrading and making more BTC

I am gonna make it and blow everything on high class escorts and coke.

>three bedroom apartment from social housing
What the fuck? This in particular makes me really angry. Why are you even posting in this thread you absolutely degenerate faggot?

Easy, i love my job. Doesnt feel like work, more like hanging out with friends and famous people every day.

It heavily depends on the job. Im sure a lot of workers cant say the same in regards to their situation

I'm 26 and feel the same way as OP. Every day, the commute, the job, my co workers, every day revolves around it. It's so tedious. I don't get it either which is why I'm balls deep in crypto.

> Social housing

Please kill yourself you degenerate faggot. You are what's wrong with society and earth as a whole.

I had a similar realization the other day.

I come from a family of immigrants. My dad works like a wage slave, and he busts his ass everyday to get us to finish college and hopefully improve our life situation.

My mother on the other hand is a self-absorbed narcissist, always complaining that we aren't richer (she works part time btw) and why can't we have more nice things by spending money we don't have. She started fucking up with everyone in my house nearly a year ago, and it escalated to the point of threatening to get get a lawyer if we didn't sell the house and gave her half of the money so she could run off and live the "liberated woman" life. Real nigger shit.

I flunked my college semester from the stress. Started working full time in the memest job ever, Mcdonalds. And after months of going through the motions I came to the same conclusion you did.

Nothing in my life matters. I have parents that don't really care about me (now that I dropped out). I got no friends. I am now stuck wage slaving, with very little chance of ever moving up.

And everyday, when I hand some doctor/bizman/professional engineer his fast food, a little bit of me dies inside. When I see the girl's they have by their side, A LOT MORE dies inside.

I will probably never escape this hell, this is as "good" as life gets for me.

I made a little bit of money from LINK (It was heaven or hell, pulled out at 43 cents, original investment was like 200 dollars), and that made me a little happier, but not nearly enough to fix all of my problems (student debt, etc). I remember when my biggest worry was being self conscious or seeming like a loser in school. Nowadays I have gotten used to been alone, talking to myself. And I don't care about my status anymore.

Yeah I should probably kill myself. But not yet. I am a gambler at heart. And as long as I have just a little bit of hope, I will keep playing this game. Maybe my luck will change, right?

bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/deniers_01.shtml

get a job that feels bearable somewhat. at least then you wont hate yourself everyday. step two: find an alternative means of income whether it be crypto, starting your own business, etc. third step get rid of all debt you have and try to free yourself from that. it is causing stress to more than 70% of this country and people don't even know how much of a burden debt can be. I followed those three steps and feel much better about my short term future. I was struggling a lot early this year with my job and was finding it really hard to stay motivated. You will find a way out. Just keep fucking pushing and gridning.

Read The Millionaire Fastlane by MJ DeMarco.

I felt similarly at many points. Fought through it by biting my lip and digging in which worked for a while but I did finally just quit. Let me tell you it feels amazing. I waited to have a small safety net and a plan, but now I'm just going for it. 27 years old no debt, no mortgage. Gonna make shit happen so hard that hopefully one day I'll have my own stable of wage cucks to make monies for me. Wish me luck

don't kill yourself man. you can find a way out if you keep at it. don't worry about the women issue. that will come in time. when you have a higher self esteem and more confidence in yourself and your life, the women thing usually solves itself and it somehow sorts itself out. stick to things that interest you and find people who relate to your hobbies. also get serious about what you want to do for a living. figure out what you're good at and get paid for it. the service industry is fucked. get out of there as soon as you can. whether it be food, retail, or being a busboy. that's no way to live your life. the crypto thing seems like its working out. maybe delve into it deeper, figure out strategies on trading, learn how to build your capital little by little. we all gonna make it senpai.

i'm quitting soon. just lining a few things up. got my crypto safety net ready to go. if i need to go back and work for a few more years fuck it ill do it. but damn does it feel good to be close to putting in my two weeks.

>27 years old
>no debt
>no mortgage

how does that feel senpai? Finally buying your freedom?

I am starting by paying off my student debt, let see how it goes. Doing my best with my measly paycheck. It hurts using my money to pay it off but it will be worthy.

>stable of wage cucks

I kek'd. Good luck

I don't find any jobs bearable anymore, because they're all going to involve working on something meaningless that I don't care about. And I already tried crypto earlier this year. Made like 300% gains before losing most of it and my portfolio has just been on a steady decline since then, so I consider it a form of gambling, not a legitimate way to make money. I can't start my own business because I don't know of any product or service I can come up with that could ever be successful, and even if I did I wouldn't have any success because I'm a beta. Being a successful businessman requires you to be an alpha, and that isn't something that can be learned.

its all about attitude. it doesn't seem like you want to put in the work. sometimes its all about the mindset you're in that takes you to the places you want to be. not even kidding. you have to see yourself being successful one day in the place you want to be. without that, not really sure what to suggest.

I see no realistic path to success for me no matter which way I look at it. If there was, I would absolutely be willing to put in all the hard work it takes to get there.

Dude, buy some books, anything you like. Read it at night. Don't join social networks.Do this for a year. Then see the resulsts

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i feel you bro

>i bought link
>you can too
>break free from the matrix

It feels fucking good. I had student loans as well and only finished paying them off last year, after a lot of sacrifice. I'm glad I prioritized it, though. I would set up auto pay and sllllooowwly increase the amount per month while trying as hard as possible to never decrease it. Just a psychological trick that helped me.

Yeah, I haven't given up completely yet senpai. I have small but solid ambitions.

>pay off my student debt, or at least pay as much as I can until I go back to school.
>build my investment capital: managed to doubled it to 400+ from an initial investment of 200, not bad, hopefully my intuition pays off and I pick other winners like Link
>go see a therapist, and work through my anxiety and lack of self esteem. Not super sure about this one. Since it probably costs money and therapists might want to make you dependent to their service for the rest of your life. we'll see

And definitely find another job like you well pointed out. I have been thinking of shadowing leaders/high achieving men and seeing if I can pick something from that experience. Maybe it motivates me to get back to university with more drive, or maybe I pick up something from seeing how successful people operate. In either case I thank you for the kind words user ;^)

Economic decline is only starting to accelerate from now on, most people in western world are truly fucked :)

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You try to not be a wageslave once, fail suffer a lot of stress and realise wage slaving is not as bad.

unironically have been thinking of doing this. I kinda think some of the "self-motivation" books are baloney but, books on investing, escaping wagecuckery and wealth building will at the very least keep my positive and on target to achieve my goals.

Anyone picked up good knowledge from self-help books? *assuming you are talking about this genre of literature

>pay off my student debt, or at least pay as much as I can until I go back to school.

>me to get back to university with more drive, o

OP, why didn't you get a job that you would want to do, one that interested you for example, or at least one you knew you could put up with for the right money/hours. You are 30, what did you spend your years doing?? What did you expect would happen??

>learn a trade part time college classes on the weekend. Work full-time M-F
>Get good at your craft
>move to Western Canada
>make 150k+/year

Actually nice posts

There is no such job for me. I was ok with wageslaving before because I had hope for the future and thought it maybe got better. But I now know that that's bullshit and this is all life will ever be.

I "think" I understand your point (you seemed to have messed up when you were quoting me). Yeah it is a bit of an irony but I do think university has some use specially if you are studying something technical (studying Comp Eng) so although right now I am trying to pay off a good chunk of my debt, I will probably have to finish my degree with SOME amount of debt for the sake of finishing.

Seconded

Pretty bullshit senpai.

Any nontard can self learn coding/programming, then become a software engineer eventually hitting 200k within 10 years

stop this "programming" meme. Not everybody needs to be a fucking programmer to be successful.

I already am a programmer and that's what I've been doing for the past 7 years, but I make nowhere near that much money. It's meaningless soulless work to me.

What do you WANT to do?
>inb4 nothing
In which case, there's your problem

Also, in this thread you've said that you don't work because you don't find anything worth the effort and also that if you found something that could make you successful you would work hard at it. What's your metric of success?

Fuck you brainwashed sheep

>What's your metric of success?
Being able to do something you're good at that you like and you feel contributes positively towards society in some way. Also making enough money doing it to live comfortably. Not a single one of those criteria has been met in any job I've ever had.

Yes, we have much to learn from the horrors of the Bear and Eagle cage

drugs, alcohol and ample brainwashing.

Your typical wagecuck is pretty the equivalent to a borg drone - brainless, and obedient, yet constantly tormented by "assimilation" into the workforce

this. People who went through the Holocaust deserve to have their voices heard.

>bbc
boomer you have to go back

Don't listen to the other guy, "coding" is a fucking meme and even if it can make you a lot of money doesn't mean it will make you feel happy about yourself or successful.

Dood, come on. You said your wage isn't bad. So save up, don't spend your money on anything you don't need, and learn to invest. Stocks, options, crypto, and real estate. The latter being incredibly important but always overlooked.

The fact that you're not married and without a girlfriend is OF BENEFIT. Don't for a second believe the myth that some roastie is going to being happiness into your life. You are a free man, with the exception of wagecucking. But like I said, save money and invest. If you play your cards right you could live off a part time job after a few years. Then over time, you'll be able to live off passive income from your rental properties. You are much closer to being free than you might think.

I'd also say this: ask yourself if you're chasing your dream, or the dream that other people have for you.

You don't need to impress anybody. Anything can be seen as positively contributing to society, in some way. If you're a fucking cook at Mcdonalds you're helping people get their food.

What you shouldn't do is try to take drugs/alcohol/whatever to try to cure your depressive symptoms. That'll make you dependent on it. The only "drugs" that I might recommend to get out of your state are LSD, ahayuasca, or DMT.

I think the problem with most people is they're too stuck in their own head. So they pound beers on the weekend and indulge in drugs to distract themselves.

this

you're not gonna make it because you're a piece of shit and god will deal with you accordingly

Just do it pussy

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This. People that got killed over and over again by the masturbation machines and were made into soap and lampposts deserve to have their voices heard. I believe a few of them are still around. New ones pop up every now and then for some reason.

>You are a free man
That's funny, freedom feels an awful lot like the inside of a prison cell.

Real estate is something that takes a lifetime to even begin to see any benefits from. I will almost definitely have killed myself before then.

The thing is, this wageslaving and the realities of life have destroyed any dreams I may have once had.

Dude, if you're seriously thinking about killing yourself then PLEASE PLEASE take Ahayuasca , LSD, or DMT before you try to commit suicide.

The only stupid thing here is thinking you dumb goys deserve anything but slavery to the Jew.

Real estate does not take a lifetime by any means. It just takes capital for a down payment and a loan though.

Read into Robert kiyosaki's info on rental properties. Essentially you are getting loans for a property, getting a property manager to take care of it (so you don't have to), repeating.

>Jordan Peterson is a good person to listen to as well

If you're a fucking braindead polack, sure. Peterson is to the fields of sociology and philosophy what Dawkins is to theology.

He may be a good clinical psychologist but whenever he opens his cock-trap outside of his limited area of specialisation he transforms into an angsty lulzcow. The fact that he thinks postmodernism is some sort of ((cultural-marxist)) conspiracy to undermine Western society by analyzing what people do with their cocks is fucking grade-A comedy.

Peterson isn't insightful, he's just a a bitter old cunt who panders to menchildren and niceguys.

>holocaust
>survivors

You're experiencing alienation friend. Watch this:

>youtube.com/watch?v=30HeJvE9KCg

Now reassess whether you want to kill yourself, or do something useful like liquidate the class and dismantle the social structures which bring about the conditions that make you feel the way you do.

Don't do it. But at the very least, take a few of the porky cunts with you if you decide to do it.

Does It work if you are a woman?

>Bla bla roasties

Enjoy dying alone and loveless. Being in a healthy relationship is very fullfilling. Love for my boyfriend is one of the things that keeps me alive

>The leech of the relationship is happy
hmm

Leech? I am giving the same i am recieving. Also, my boyfriend is likely to think the same. We are both wageslaves. Relationships help you to at least feel less alone.

Life is suffering until you decide that it isn't.

I've been a rich man, I've been a poor man, I've been extremely happy and extremely depressed with no correlation to my finances. It's all about your state of mind. Now, your state of mind can be a difficult thing to change but you can always change your situation. If you hate your job then find another one. Do hard labor if you have to. At least then you'll be getting exercise, which can make a big difference mentally, and doing work that won't make you feel like a robot. Hard labor pays pretty well too. Or you can just up and leave, go live on a communal farm. Go do gay porn, do whatever. The point is that you feel stuck but you only feel that way. You can leave whenever you want.

And don't work towards nothing. Cut your spendings, live simply, save that money until it's enough to do something with. Maybe you use it for a down payment on a gas station/ convenience store, maybe you buy ATM's or vending machines, maybe you trade crypto, maybe you buy a Lamborghini. The whole point is, always have a goal. Even if it will take years to achieve, you have to be working towards something. Otherwise, you really are working for nothing.

Spoken like a someone who teaches guitar lessons and just bought $400 of VOO

Buddy, I'm going to give you the best advice right now. Sell what ever the fuck you own and go travelling. You'll figure shit out about yourself that is worth more than any crypto or wageslave paycheck that you can get. Yes i know it sounds cheesy but it's true as FUCK. Go out, meet people, enjoy your life, and then figure out the rest while doing what is best for you: LIVING. SO quit that shit and get a move on, 30 is young as fuck so hop to it. GLHF

Save up and go to an ayahuasca retreat in Iquitos, Peru. It might change the way you think and help you find a purpose in life.

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Memes-aside, I unironically am going all in on crypto. If this doesn't work out I will kill myself before I turn 30. It's my last hope to be free from wage slavery.

>Waste all your money and eventually force yourself into wagekeking/suicide
good advice

Truth does not fear investigation.

Since quitting college (no debt though, it was in europe) I tried to have a full time job with 40 hours, where I was in front of a PC all day long and could even slack off a lot playing .io games.
It turned out to be quite the disaster for me, since waking up early and being trapped in some place for over 8 hours a day was very monotone. Its not like home where you can do literally nothing in your free time, there are certain things you have to keep tabs on to not appear like the lazy pos you are.
It always surprised me how people could enjoy their work.

Well, I quit that 40 hour Job anyway. One day I asked for 30 hours, but they were too small to facilitate it for my position. I quit with no job prospect and looked for a 30 hour one. A month later I had my current job with 30 hours and the same pay.

The crux is, that even 30 hours a week feels quite taxing. It never seems to be the fact that some co-workers are annoying or the work is unfair or something in that direction. The issue seems to be work in itself, the fact that you are selling a large part of your time and robbing yourself of experiences you wish to explore.

The problem seems to be that without any capital to live off from you cant just pursue many different things. Or at least you cant experience them with a lucid mind, considering you gain a level of exhaustion from hours of "work". So the goal is first to build up capital and then take the risk, quit and pursue something, while still having to think about the money. So in the end it always comes down to money, if you want to liberate people you need to make money something to use on luxuries, a bonus objective.

Boomers save in their (((401k))) until they are too old to use it and die. With no children it passes to the government, funding gibs for the parasitic underclass.

This whole wagecuck culture seems to numb people down a lot, I can feel the effects already and I am only in this stuff for a year now.. You become somewhat numb, push away work and get into a certain rhythm, your free time is spend sleeping off the dread or escaping to mundane things. The ambition to try something new is declining as well, perhaps you associate working on something with work itself.

To win the wagecuck game it seems you need to change jobs frequently, promise companies the moon and then simply drop the ball after a month and wait for them to notice. On the other Hand you need to actively preserve your state of mind and fight the dread from work, even if it hurts. I think that if you get used to the 9 to 5 lifestyle you are beyond hope and will live through life in a daze.

So to those who are stuck in a position where they need to sell their time to survive, you got 3 options:
- cheat the system and slack off as much as you can (I am currently doing the bare minimum while browsing biz all day and elaborate on things I have done which took mere minutes). They will find out eventually, so treat this like a pump and dump strategy, where you will pull the trigger and quit for another job to do the same.
- let yourself become a drone and dort fight the feeling of dread. Maybe you can still be happy that way
- Be ready to die for your decision and make risky business decisions. aka. "All in crypro or kms in 3 years". You need to have the conviction to follow through with your move though.

Maybe these lose information help you to escape your daze. I am currently planing to exit my current job and see how far my 10 btc + alts can take me. It will somewhat depend on how crypto develops, a buffer of 5 years would make risking my life for a life without work feel to be ok.

quit your job, i did, life got way better.

You were supposed to buy bitcoin when it was "fake internet money going nowhere"

You were too dumb so now you're stuck buying scamcoins and slaving away.

Pro-tip:. There's still massive gains to be had in Bitcoin. Altcoins were and always will be scams