SS requirements

What were the requirements to be able to join SS/Schutzstaffel

Anyone also know any good books about SA/Brownshirts?

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Its like marine training in the US but there was no water training. Instead they had mores strength/cardio. You also had to swear personal honor unto death to Hitler multiple times.

Be willing to suck German dick.

That's pretty much it.

16 years old, not atheist, not communist.

At what point are we talking about?

Prior to 1929, they were handpicked by Julius Schreck to serve as Hitler's personal bodyguard. After Himmler took over, they had a formal application process. They became a formal government organization in 1933 when the Nazis took power and had effective control over virtually all German police forces by 1939.

Also, what branch of the SS are talking about? The Allgemeine SS (or General SS) could be joined with a simple application process checking your family history with no special training. The SS-Verfügungstruppe and its successor, the Waffen-SS were military organizations that initially started out with aggressive combat training and indoctrination but were by the end of the war, literally recruiting out of insane asylums because they were running out of men.

also of a proper nationality

Im a brainlet but i will try to ask my best. Who would win? A battalion of soldiers from Wehrmacht or a battalion of soldiers from SS?

SS didn't have as many big guns and were fresh recruits

SS. Wehrmacht were just conscripted virgins, not real warriors.

Probably the Wehrmacht because their officers aren't as retarded

let me play a few games of flames of war, then i'll get back to you

Wehrmacht
The SS were always given the best weapons but they all had a large death ratio

Wehrmacht easily.

Waffen-SS training tended to focus on ideological indoctrination much more heavily than combat skill. Hence, for much of the early war, the Waffen-SS made brave, but rather incompetent fighters.

Depends heavily on the units involved. Both had great formations and shitty ones.

>In spite of the swift military victory over Poland in September 1939, events during the invasion of Poland raised doubts over the combat effectiveness of the SS-VT. The OKW or Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (High Command of the Armed Forces) reported that the SS-VT units took unnecessary risks and had a higher casualty rate than the army. They also stated that the SS-VT was poorly trained and its officers unsuitable for combat command. As an example, OKW noted that the Leibstandarte had to be rescued by an army regiment after becoming surrounded at Pabianice by the Poles.[19] In its defence, the SS insisted that it had been hampered by having to fight piecemeal instead of as one formation, and was improperly equipped by the army to carry out its objectives. Himmler insisted that the SS-VT should be allowed to fight in its own formations under its own commanders, while the OKW tried to have the SS-VT disbanded altogether.

For all their fancy uniforms and parading, the early SS was initially severely lacking in actual military skill and relied on sheer fanaticism and the support of the more professional Wehrmacht to carry the day.

Ok next brainlet question. Who were the most aesthetic? SS or Wehrmacht?

The most unprofessional formation of the Wehrmacht was arguably the OKW because it was staffed with people who were mostly promoted for being pro-Hitler cocksuckers (*cough* Keitel *cough*) rather than skill and merit.

iirc they had a height requirement of about 6' and you had to be born in German with German heritage going back 2 generations. Towards the end of the war the rules were loosened as you can imagine. That's all I remember though.

>Standards of height vary for different units. For the Adolf Hitler Bodyguard (Leibstandarte) the minimum is 5 feet, 10 inches.

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>In keeping with the racial policy of Nazi Germany, in the early days all SS officer candidates had to provide proof of Aryan ancestry back to 1750 and for other ranks to 1800.[33] Once the war started and it became more difficult to confirm ancestry, the regulation was amended to just proving the candidate's grandparents were Aryan, as spelled out in the Nuremberg Laws. Other requirements were complete obedience to the Führer and a commitment to the German people and nation. Himmler also tried to institute physical criteria based on appearance and height, but these requirements were only loosely enforced, and over half the SS men did not meet the criteria.

What were they looking at?

>In 1934, Himmler initially set stringent requirements for recruits. They were to be German nationals who could prove their Aryan ancestry back to 1800, unmarried, and without a criminal record. Recruits had to be between the ages of 17 and 23, at least 1.74 metres (5 ft 9 in) tall (1.78 metres (5 ft 10 in) for the Leibstandarte). Recruits were required to have perfect teeth and eyesight and provide a medical certificate. By 1938, the height restrictions were relaxed, up to six dental fillings were permitted, and eyeglasses for astigmatism and mild vision correction were allowed. Once World War II commenced in Europe, the physical requirements were no longer strictly enforced, and essentially any recruit who could pass a basic medical exam was considered for Waffen-SS service. Following the campaign in the West in 1940, Hitler authorized the enlistment of "people perceived to be of related stock", as Himmler put it, to expand the ranks. A number of Danes, Dutch, Norwegians, Swedes and Finns volunteered to fight in the Waffen-SS under the command of German officers. Non-Germanic units were not considered to be part of the SS directly, which still maintained its strict racial criteria; instead they were considered to be foreign nationals serving under the command of the SS.

SS incompetent warriors lol

>without a criminal record

He was doubtless /OurMadman/

Those charges got reversed because he went to Spain, so technically he didn't

Waffen-SS were more like special agents.
IIRC both America and Russia recruited them for their skills (CIA and KGB).

>at least 1.74 metres
1cm below Hither height
makes you think

Das Reich (one of the SS Divisions usually lauded for being "elite") got BTFO by a US Infantry Regiment backed up by a battlion of M10 (or was it M18s?) tank destroyers. They encircled them and forced them to surrender, what is it with Germans and getting encircled anyways

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wehrmacht
everyone in the ss was inbred

by 1944:
1) be breathing
2) willing to die for hitler

>EVERYONE SHORTER THAN ME IS A MANLET
kek

>Waffen-SS were more like special agents.

Nigger, what are you smoking?

>Die Augeeeen links!

yep

They took everyone willing to hold a gun.

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They weren't?

SS

Wehrmacht was just the army, common conscripted men trained to fire a gun

the SS where the most physically and ideologically elite, like the Marines in the US

If Nazi Germany where a medieval kingdom, SS would be the knights, and Wehrmacht are the peasants

>the SS where the most physically and ideologically elite
Then why were they led by complete dropkick commanders except for Steiner and Hausser?

There were strict requirements in the beginning but they were heavily relaxed towards the end of the war, at which point the SS begun taking conscripts.

Either of them could win.

SS

No they weren't. You're probably confusing them with the Abwehr or some shit.

Most SS divisions were anything but "elite", and they had plenty of conscripts.

They were, by the end of the war like 2/3 of the prewar members were dead, but that's to be expected since they got sent in the most dangerous places

The SS units tended to be earmarked for new equipment ahead of other formations, but that's true for panzer and panzergrenadier formations in general; which is where the misconception comes from

Opa said it was 180cm height and an Ariernachweis back to 1800 for the Musik-Zug of the Leibstandarte. Don't know if they had to be a bit taller because of the representative nature of the Musik-Zug.

I bet he Is thinking about Skorzeny who operated within the SS and did all the cool crazy commando stuff that Germans get no credit for.
Seriously, it's a crime that there are dozens of fictional movies about Allied commando raids when, let's face it, the Germans in Africa during WW1 and OS in WW2 ran circles around the limeys.

>U.S Marines
>Physically and ideologically elite.
Never have they been that.

tfw tall enough to be considered for the SS

>the SS where the most physically and ideologically elite,
meme history m8. All the SS were was the nazi parties militia group that evolved out of Hitlers body guard unit.

>Wehrmacht was just the army

The Wehrmacht was the combination of the Heer (army), Luftwaffe (air force) and Kriegsmarine (navy). Essentially the entirety of the German military save for political units such as the SS and Gestapo.

What SS division? They varied wildly in equipment and quality of troops.

Wehrmacht literally means Defense Force. Wehr is an old word for defence/to put up a fight, Macht is is might/force.
Reichswehr thus is the Reich's defence as the Bundeswehr is the Federal Defence

Ok, thanks for proving me right that the Wehrmacht isn't just the army. That was the point of my reply.

Yep, it was meant to back you up

Thanks buddy, it's just people on here usually use 'literally' in counter arguments for some reason. No disrespect.

Yeah, who knows why. While we're at it:
Luftwaffe is literally "air weapon"
Heer comes from a word in middle high German that apparently meant something like "belonging to war"
Kriegsmarine is a contraction of Krieg = War and Marine loaned from French ~war-navy

Thus in the context of this thread, the Fallschirmjager are also against the SS. Considering the Fallschirmjagers above average performance during the war (with the exception of Crete) the Wehrmacht definitly outclassed the SS.

On average I agree. The SS was shunned as a fancy dress club at first. Later at least the first three or so divisions of the SS went up in the average esteem. That may have had to do with their better equipment though. Opa (12. Inf. Rgt) said they were rather happy when they had SS at their flanks. Absolute fanatics itching for a fight and way better equipped. Thus there was a little break ahead.

I remember reading something from a Wehrmacht officer where his company was low on men so they joined forces with what was left of an SS company to take some village on the eastern front. They eventually took the village but he was horrified and confused to see that while his men approached the village as any sane unit would approach (spreading out, staying low and in some amount of cover) the SS marched in formation as if it was some sort of parade all the way to village. Needless to say the SS took heavy losses on their approach but fought just as well as the Heer soldiers. So pretty much the SS had to some degree better equipment, standards and training (at this point in the war, this story coming from I believe 41 or 42) but were so indoctrinated that they fought like idiots from time to time.

>They eventually took the village but he was horrified and confused to see that while his men approached the village as any sane unit would approach (spreading out, staying low and in some amount of cover) the SS marched in formation as if it was some sort of parade all the way to village.

I need your source for that.

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Line warfare is the most Aryan warfare.

>SS Ritter performing recon on Ostfront circa 1944, colorized

SS organization fell apart past division level. I'd say 50k men arena situation is a toss up, anything else is Wehrmacht

In some comical irony, the Waffen SS was actually far less Germanic than the Heer.

Just passing through.
Where is the gas station?
No time for prisoners

>literally a poo division

>right wing designated shitting squads

That chart is faulty. Leibstandarte was commanded by Sepp Dietric. Otto Kumm was CO of Prinz Eugen

Bumping for RWDSS

I refuse to let this thread die

There is no straight up answer. Both had divisions that were on either ends of the spectrum of skill. Is it an ethnic German/Germanic SS division, which were mostly elite, or is it one of the Eastern European ones which never really got larger than a brigade/regiment.

For the Wehrmacht is it one of the static divisions that for the most part lacked a form of transport and were staffed by the injured or those who were initially declared infirm for service, or is it an elite formation like the Großdeutschland, panzer/mechanized, or mountain divisions?

atleast 6 foot tall.

brainlet here
can someone give me a quick rundown on all these parts of the German war machine? what the differences are

SS
waffen SS
luftwaffe (airforce right?)
heer
wehrmacht
reichwehr
gestapo (the ones who took Anne Frank)
storm troopers

>SS
fags
>waffen SS
even bigger fags
>luftwaffe
Mile High Club fags
>heer
fags, but less faggy than the SS
>wehrmacht
fags
>reichwehr
Were actually kinda based desu
>gestapo (the ones who took Anne Frank)
Absolute faggots. Every last one of them should have been executed just for killing her alone
>storm troopers
Highest level of faggotry

>Absolute fanatics itching for a fight and way better equipped.
this makes a difference. Near the end of the war the SS had more war hardened men who had demonstrated bravery and survived.
the remains of Blue Division

>SS
The SS encompassed the Waffen SS, but besides that it also included things like concentration camp guards, the gestapo, the security service, administration of conquered territories (and had the Germans won would have had a role in colonizing eastern europe) and so on.
It started as a paramilitary formation but ended up being something like a mix of the CIA, FBI, Dept. of Homeland Security, Secret Service, in addition to having essentially its own military branch
>Waffen-SS
iirc means "Armed-SS". They were the military branch of the SS. Essentially fought like any other army unit and almost always fought beside them in a shared order of battle. They had their own rank structure and some formations mostly consisted of foreign recruits. Mileage varied greatly with the quality of the units. Had its own rank structure.
>Luftwaffe
Yes the airforce, an independent branch of the Wehrmacht. Also the Fallschrimjäger and some flak units were under their command, although sometimes only nominally
>Heer
The army.
>Wehrmacht
The Armed Forces, iirc literally translate as defense (wehr) force/power (macht). Contains three branches, the Luftwaffe, the Heer, and the Kreigsmarine (Navy)
>Reichswehr
The armed forces of the Weimar Republic. Predecessor to the Wehrmacht
>Gestapo
German secret police. Kinda like the Stasi but suprisingly much less intense in comparison. Under SS command.
>Storm troopers
In WWI they were troops who specialized in small unit and infiltration tactics. In terms of the Nazis, the actual name was Sturmabteilung (SA), iirc literally "assault detachment". They were the main paramilitary force of the Nazis until the Night of the Long Knives, when their leader Ernst Röhm was killed and their duties mostly taken over and absorbed by the SS. I think they still existed after 1934 but it was mostly in name only. Did things like bodyguard Nazi officials and get into street fights and clashes with the communists during the Weimar Republic

Unironically the best post on this thread

5'10 is actually the standard requirement, some units required higher, yes the majority of the SS were indeed manlets by Veeky Forums standards

U can see for yourself Shutzstaffel server.
Only serious discussion.

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>SS
Nazi paramilitary organization originally formed as a bodyguard unit
>Waffen SS
Military arm of the SS, also the branch with the most members
>Luftwaffe
Airforce
>Heer
Army
>Wehrmacht
The Wehrmacht is the entire German armed forces, Heer, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine
>Reichswehr
Pre-Nazi German army
>Gestapo
Secret police
>Storm troopers
No such organization.

kek, these amerilards and their pseudo education is always amazing to witness.
The Wehrmacht wouldve mopped the floor with the SS.

Compared to the Wehrmacht, yes they were incompetent compared.
Wehrmacht had also the way better generals and leaders.

He meant Sturmtruppen I guess.

Not sure about WWII era but, outside of SOF groups, they have the most difficult physical standards and they brainwash the fuck out of you up until the point you get to the fleet, I mean for Christs sake, saying "kill" or "kill babies" is an acceptable form of saying "yes" in my old unit, as it is in many units, both POG and Infantry

That still isn't a real unit designation in WW2, it's a prestige title (much like Fallschirmjager ended up being, you had several divisions and only 2 were trained in how to jump out of planes)

No real requirements beside having no jewish ancestry and being slightly above functional retardation.

You know, the SS was no army. It's original purpose was being an indoctrinated police-like force. Every fuckhead could make it into the officer ranks.

I claim the 88th post in this thread for the Großgermanisches Reich

SIEG HEIL!

Man fuck you

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