Alea iacta est

this.

t. historical illiterates

Those double dubs are deserving of some fresh dank OC

>I don't like their opinion so lets just say they are illiterate instead of arguing why mine is better

I miss the old Veeky Forums now it's just /pol/ 2.0

honestly this has been pretty standard no matter where you go on this Sumerian wood carving forum for a long time now

CAN'T
ARGUE
THESE QUADS

Caesar was a warmongering, powerhungry idiot who doomed Rome and paved the way for the clusterfuck called Empire, do I really need to explain it further? Literally no one would've liked Caesar if Populares failed, it's a prime example of "y-yeah h-he was wrong, b-but it all turned out w-well!".

>old Veeky Forums
>not /pol/ 2.0
Spot the newfag, 1st day was literally "/pol/lit/int/ claims this board xDDDD" on all pages.

By the time Caesar came along the jig was up anyway

Even if Octavian was a True Roman Bread Republican, the next Nigger with a few legions would have taken over and done a worse job

saved

The artist who drew lorica segmentata armour on a Roman soldier from 1st century BC.

God fucking damnit, why is this such common mistake?

>this is what soyboys believe
perhaps he helped to push rome towards the empire but the republic was already laughably corrupt by the time he came around. Can't blame him for taking advantage of an almost broken system. If you don't admire caesar you seriously need your test levels checked out.

Suetonius, for translating it as "the die is cast", rather than "let's roll the dice!."

Wow, that is so better, I never heard that one.
>"Lets do this shit" -Caesar

theres no heroes in Rome.

didnt catos family shit on scipios as well fuck that guy

Cato literally had him lined up for prosecution for LITERALLY nothing. What choice did he have?
Fuck off you bootlicking aristocrat.

Probably the only chance Rome had of surviving was Ceaser btfo the senate who were all corrupt as fuck.
He was a shrewd son of a bitch and honestly i dont believe he did all that frustrating bs just for the power.

Wrong

>prosecution for LITERALLY nothing.

but Caesar DID break the law though.

Yeah? When?

His illegal war in Gaul. But of course Cato didn't really care about that, he just hated Caesar and wanted to destroy him by any means.

His war was hardly illegal, it was justifiable considering all the shit that was going on.
It’s funny because Cato is a fucking hypocrite. He whined about dirty politics but egged Bibulus on to buy votes. I guarantee had it been Bibulus or any of his optimate buddies leading a campaign in Gaul he’d be all for it.

>justifiable
Irrelevant, the Republic had a very clear process for declaring and waging wars, Caesar ignored it, therefore his war was illegal. Obviously prosecuting him for it is retarded, and seeking to have him ruined, disgraced, and banished is beyond retarded and forced him to fight for his survival, but Cato was technically correct.

Well what could he do? The Helvetii migration was right on the cusp of Roman territory. Caesar couldn’t just run back to Rome, counsel the Senate and run back.
Caesar never intended a full war in Gaul, he was eyeing the Balkans in fact, he just got pulled in by the Helvetii and Ariovistus. Any Roman general would’ve done the same.
Yes it’s technically illegal but any unbiased senate wouldn’t give a shit. Like you said, it’s just Cato, and he’s a hypocrite himself.

Caesar is eternally /ourguy/

Cato was basing his entire case on an autistic reading of a law in order to try taking down one of Rome's most popular and successful politicians, all because he knew he'd lose his position as most powerful man in Rome if Caesar won another term as Consul.

While Caesar did commit crimes during his first consulship, most of what he did was completely justified. His crimes against Bibulus, for example, were completely justified in order to enact land reform. Bibulus was only working to protect the supply of cheap foreign slave labour to the wealthy landowners, at the expense of the Roman people and veterans.

The Virgin "Optimates" deserved everything they got from The Chad Populares.

Sulla for making the concept of indefinite dictatorship acceptable

Emperors were inevitable following that

>Set the precident democracy and peace means nothing but who has the biggest stick rules.
that precident had been made before caesar, sulla for example

What a contrarian you are.

>Well what could he do? The Helvetii migration was right on the cusp of Roman territory. Caesar couldn’t just run back to Rome, counsel the Senate and run back.

he intentionally kept them in the dark about a lot of the things that happened in the season. Caesar COULD have done it without also engaging in egregious land grabs and power plays

The Helvetii had already asked for permission to cross peacefully, he could have just let them. But he wanted a war in Gaul and he saw this as a perfect pretext and he took it.
>Yes it’s technically illegal but any unbiased senate wouldn’t give a shit.
ONLY because it worked, had Caesar lost it would be a different matter but everyone loves a winner.
>Like you said, it’s just Cato, and he’s a hypocrite himself.
Everyone is hypocritical and it wasn't just Cato, he is the one who single-handedly prevented a compromise agreement being formed but he was far from Caesar's only critic.

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>all the Caesar fags ITT

plebeians

t. cato

How the fuck is Crassus a traitor?

Caesar, though his actions ultimately led to the benefit of Rome and probably prolonged its existence by more than a thousand years in one form or another.

>Caesar and Crassus both traitors
Let me guess, Lawful Stupid?

youtu.be/SYxN134gb-8
If you want to the background, watch this.

If you want more background, you can watch these.
youtube.com/watch?v=MkZx0q_3rYI&list=PLODnBH8kenOqFFHuSKVN5u2bHDpzFBX1R

Perfect example of why using unconstitutional power to crack down on constitutional abuse and change is a pretty bad idea.

Except this is an example of the exact opposite of that tho.

He was actually quoting from a popular Greek play by Meander when he said that. And the line literally translates to "let the die be thrown!" or "let the game be ventured!" (which Suetonius egregiously translated to "the die is cast!"), with "let's roll the dice" probably being the most accurate translation accounting for mood and context. He was basically admitting he was making a huge gamble and didn't really know how it would turn out, while also quoting a bit of pop culture that would be fairly well known to his officers.

If he had lived today, he would have quoted some comic book movie, no doubt.

"Its treason then ARGHHHHH" -Caeser

t. conservative retard

m.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNoaLVLgzE

Should add "Encircled his encirclers"