What is the easiest way to shut up a 9/11 truther?

clinton the financial puppet couldnt keep one cum stained dress from the media

Beyond any evidence, you can also simply use logic.
The government is not a monolithic entity. There are a lot of different government departments. In just saying "the government", it isn't making a reference to whoever one supposed who did it. I suppose the CIA is the normal agency that people would assume would have done it, but any such operation would have required a huge amount of CIA people involved, who have to hijack multiple planes, blow up buildings, and simply get permission from multiple levels of government. That's a lot of potential leaks for a lot of people doing questionable things.
Most of these people would face death if they were ever found out to do it. They killed 3,000 American citizens if it was that they did 9/11. Beyond any moral issues, who many bureaucrats and presidents want to deal with that?
On the planning end, this makes it ridiculously unlikely.
But then, there's also the point of well, why? To go to war with the Middle East to take their oil? If so they did that pretty stupidly. Invaded Afghanistan immediately, but Afghanistan doesn't have significant amounts of oil, I don't remember what Michael Moore proposed as the reason for the US to invade it but in any case, it isn't that big of a prize. Iraq? If so, the US went about it in a really terrible way, why didn't they invade in 2001? There was actually global support for doing it then, when Saddam was the only one to express support to the terrorists. But no, instead we waited two years and then invaded. If it was all part of some master plan, why so much delay? Why was the government so incompetent with that, when they were supposedly so competent starting the war?
Which is the basic problem: whoever pulled off 9/11 had to be super-competent to do so, it is hard to pull off any operation on that scale and especially internally. But then everything since then has shown that the government is simply not that competent.

Yet apparently they were sloppy enough that people on conspiracy theory sites have now figured it all out.

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i have used the many too participators argument and then they said something in the likes of, it wouldnt take to many people to do such a thing as long as there is enough money involved and then they d spout of the rothshield stuff how they could easely set this up and you could keep most people involved in the dark the planes were military and remote controlled

You cant because regardless of whether the wtc attacks were done by al quaeda or not theres such a plethora of evidence of a coverup of somekind going on youre actually an idiot if you defend the official version of events

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This is a pretty good video for it, other than the unfunny "le talking cat" shit and his hangup on sargon, which has no real bearing on the video at all
youtube.com/watch?v=FKd-xZGknZ8

Also, you could actually try to educate them on Bin Laden since if you actually study al-qaeda, its obvious they did it and only clueless retards would claim otherwise.

Literally every single hijacker made a "farewell video" where they gave their reasoning for doing the hijacking. How do people still think the illuminati did this? how are people so stupid?

CIA is a false flag none of us know about the real circles that matter.

>Office that is investigating billions of dollars missing at pentagon gets hit with a plane
Pure coincidence im sure

the cat stuff is annoying but damn some of these points are damn good to use in a argument they were always spouting that there couldnt be a building collapsing collapsing by fire alone and that there are no other examples then building 7

youtube.com/watch?v=UULUQfEQFuU

please post the source of where you got they were investigating the pentagon for missing money

youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

the cia put them up to it

what about Bane?

This has already been proven time and time again to be doctored

what about the basic elementry physics and controlled demolition then?

please expand, what about them?

Isn't the fact that airliners hit WTC reason enough for the government to do whatever?

Why did they have to also rig the buildings to collapse, involving god knows how many others into the conspiracy?

how the fuck can you deny it wasnt 3 controlled demolitions, like literally how fucking retarded have you got to be to unironically believe it was anything other than?

not sure if bait but i ll throw that right back at you, how retarded and missinformed about how demolitions work you have to be to believe they were controlled dets?

>but muh buildings went straight down, it was demolition!!!

watch the videos posted here and if you are still not convinced i believe it would be wise to see a therapist since you would be clearly in denial

>no-one noticed the dozens/hundreds of people ripping up the place to plant litteral truck loads of explosives all over the buildings

Yeah, sure.

didnt you know? it was a super duper high tech explosive which no one knows about and they did it at night so nobody would notice it of course! oh and they also used rockets that were fired from the planes which they modified in their secret bases from which the planes took off

these are some arguments people resort to when called out on their bs and they dig further into the rabbit hole because they want there to be something wrong with it all they want to a all powerfull institution that secretly controls their lives and they can do nothing against

Punch him in the mouth.

You're a racist. Whatever. You got a war that lasts multiple decades. Hope you'll be happy fighting it. Go enlist.

there was work being done inside the buildings for months under the guuise of aspestos removal

ive studied as a civil engineer at a top 50 world university, it was a controlled demolition, youre a fucking retard if you think otherwise

also this guys autistic at the least/full blown mentally retarded

youre a bodybag buddy

And they got truckloads of explosives past security, who were expecting a bomb attack, how?

If they were just going to blow it up, why bother with the planes?

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>security
there was none, a bouncer on par with a mall cop is not 'security' in the sense that we know it today.
>expecting a bomb attack
no one was expecting anything.
>why bother with the planes
Well because it's alot easier to find out who the fuck flew a plane as opposed to planting a bomb.
I hope you don't actually believe arabs are intelligent enough to pull this off?
It was CIA/Mossad.

A complete non-answer if ever there was one.

>It was CIA/Mossad.
Probably because there's nobody against Israel in american politics

so you just studied and failed or did you graduate as well?

>muh top 50 university

plenty of retards can finish a college degree there are people with an astrophysics degree that still think the earth was created by god

and so after the demolition and when they were looking through the rubble they didnt find a singe blast cap or det cord? thats seems a bit strange no? since massive amounts of both would have been needed and they would survive the blast and anyone part of the investigation, rescue teams, cleanup companies or even just a curious mind stumbling through the rubble couldve found them

>people in a building that had already been attacked with bombs, weren't on the look out for future bombings

Ok

>easier to find out

If it's all fake, why would anyone need to find out anything? Just get bin Laden to appear on video saying he did it and why the very next day.

>arabs are too dumb to crash planes into buildings

Yes, because they're all literal cavemen and it was such a complex plan, right?

what are actors?

building 7

Was hit by a huge chunk of burning skyscraper.

this doesnt answer, or even address, the question user

youre a fucking retard to structural engineering and mechanics thats like me blowing at you from africa

Along with steel beams collapsing (not melting) at the speed of sound and massive paper fires.

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>muh crisis actors
>muh super duper impenetrable conspiracy that only i have solved
Seek professional help.

you are only making it worse for yourself

cant be as worse as your egocentric autism m8

>or can it.png

t. bodybag ^^

>civil engineer
come back when you get a real degree
>t. aerospace engineer

I can only think of two possibilities for a conspiracy to do with 9/11, both lead back to incompetence. The attack still being Al Qaeda, but

1. The Intelligence communities were intentionally incompetent in allowing this attack to happen, to regain the funding they had started to lose as the Cold War ended in the 90s. Possibly as simple as dismissing critical intelligence hoping it would lead to a small scale attack on the US, not knowing how out of control it would get. They then try to cover their tracks

2. The intelligence communities, as a result of decreased funding after the end of the Cold War, were just strait up unintentionally incompetent missing crucial evidence. Again then trying to cover their tracks.

Otherwise, as has been said in this thread, I think there is too much possibility for leaks, mistakes and the like that would expose a conspiracy that large.

The first one.

That one seems about right.

nah the second one is the only thing remotely believeable.

If we can't smuggle guns *in* to mexico without being caught, how the fuck do you think we could pull of a conspiracy like that?

Yea, I agree, it's the same with the Iran-Contra affair. That took about a year to be leaked out.

>rly gets teh ole cerebellum werking.
So you're off-balance?

based historical discussion

So steel beams are exactly as strong at 10C as at 1400C?

Don't forget that if we fabricated it to start a war in Iraq or Afghanistan, why would we say that all the hijackers were Saudi nationals?

You can't, OP. Because they aren't motivated by reason, they're motivated by fear. They desperately want to believe a conspiracy exists, any conspiracy exists, which implies there is some all-powerful force controlling the world. Because that's comforting to them, it gives meaning to reality. The alternative, that nobody is actually in control and shit just happens, is terrifying.

>building 7
This fucking building burned uncontrolled for TWELVE HOURS, no shit it collapsed.

Bbc covered the 711 story 20 minutes before it happened, but dont worry, im sure theres no reason why america needs to attack iraq is there goyim
Keep drinking your cool aid and sending the missles

there was talk about the building colapsing hours before that report, bbc afterwards said they made a mistake in the report and took the opinions of the experts that said the building was going to collapse for granted.

also why the fuck would the all powerfull conspirators be in bed with the bbc and then let them make the mistake of reporting it to early doesnt sound so capable and water proof to me

and the iraq thing has been said in this thread before, if they used it as a reason to invade iraq why wait 2 years when after the attacks there was much more support international and domestic for an invasion due to sadam openly supporting terorrism at the time, and you wouldnt have to use the WMD shit that you have to prove afterwards. oh and there was no easier way to set iraq up then to blow your own economy to hell and use saudi terorrists? sadam was shooting at us civilian flights all year long. they just flew to high to be in reach, couldnt the us just let some planes fly a little lower and sadam would do the rest. then you would have a perfect reason to invade the country that was downing your planes and killing your civilians.

>the grand conspiracy that controls everything from the shadows is undone by a tv reporter reading the script a few pages ahead

Either that or in the midst of the worst terror attack in history "building 7 is going to collapse" got passed on to the studio as "building 7 has collapsed".

more interested in the controlled demolition of Poztralia happening at the moment. kek

Have you seen many burning buildings collapse like that? Or collapse at all?

I wonder what flag could be behind this post

Plasco Tower in Tehran

They can pull such a thing off because no one gives a shit. CIA's declassified documents on the JFK assassination that strongly suggest that Oswald was actually a CIA asset and that there actually was a second shooter. No one cared. CIA declassified documents about reports of Hitler being sighted in Argentina with an accompanying photo. No one gave a shit.

All you have to do is look at the media nowadays to get the picture. They get days or weeks of mileage out of 'covfefe' or 'shithole', most people even ignore that in favor of the latest hit TV show or their menial job while those who make an effort to keep up get maybe one mention of declassified documents followed by 23.75 hours of covfefe. Apathy is what damns us all.

>it's alot easier to find out who the fuck flew a plane

especially when their paper passports are able to be found at the scene when large portions of a skyscraper were vaporised.

>Have you seen many burning buildings collapse like that?
For 12 hours with no attempt to extinguish the flames? No. Have you?
> Or collapse at all?
Are you asking if buildings collapse?

grigget

>what is the easiest way to shut up a 9/11 truther?

Great way to get off on the wrong foot cletus. Here are some stone cold facts about 9/11 which you can look up:

-They knew 9/11 was going to happen
-Every member of the Bin Laden and Saudi royal family was flown back home on 9/12
-They knew Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with it and WMD's were bullshit
-Everybody knew all these things at the time

>what is the easiest way to shut up a 9/11 truther?
You can't, same way how there are still retards claiming that the moon landings were fake even though they can be proven with a fucking telescope.

It's American exceptionalism. They can't accept that a bunch of Arabs with box cutters brought the greatest city in the world to its knees. Just like they couldn't accept a random commie with a rifle could kill their president.

It's always an inside job. Things happen only because they allow them to happen.

>I don't remember what Michael Moore proposed as the reason for the US to invade it but in any case

He didn't, but it was invaded probably for heroin and natural gas. Resources that the americans don't want falling to the russians. It also grants control of the middle east and the u.s. needed to make sure that the right mujahideen got into power.

>why didn't they invade [Iraq] in 2001?

they probably wanted to secure Afghanistan first? Also, it's wrong to believe that the americans started a war in 2003 against Iraq, they had been bombarding it and sanctioning it since the first gulf war.

Also
>the Bush administration's uncomfortable closeness to the Saudis
>FBI agents getting stonewalled from investigating Saudi intel nets in Sarasota and San Diego
>EPA straight up lying about the air quality at Ground Zero
>9/11 commission being blocked from interviewing White House officials, including Bush and Cheney

You could perhaps provide an answer to all the unanswered questions.

people do not remember that sometimes, the most effective way of making a provocation, is to NOT PREVENT things from happening, meaning that despite prior knowledge, they let things unfold as they would if they didn't have any knowledge.
Furthermore, there is proof that government agencies (specifically the fbi) want to manipulate certain individuals that fit a profile to carry out provocations, like they did with that mentally challenged arab immigrant.
We already know the afghans were trained by the small-guys-for-us and Bin Laden was killed and not brought to trial, which strongly indicates that there was an effort to prevent him from sharing information about people, possibly incriminating, if not straight status-quo shattering. Look how the ameircan media are so quick to embrace that assasination that contradicts not only "western values", but the rule of law and all modern civilisation. One wonders if the u.s. government hadn't any desire to gather information from Bin Laden. Did they know everything? Wouldn't they want to know about the current situation of ISIS or other helpful information? Tie that to the recent release of about 250 leading figures of ISIS who were let go from Raqqa, once the city was recaptured by the SDF and the Kurds. Simply let go! Some of them returned to their homeland, France, where they were born and raised...so think twice before accusing immigrants.
The u.s. need to eradicate independent countries, remnants of the Third World/Non-Allied Countries. They want to be the only paradigm of the modern era, so that the oil-based capitalist economy can survive and that people don't question that dominance, even in legal ways.

now that I read my reply again, maybe the killing of Bin Laden was just a hit carried out by the u.s. for the sake of the saudis, who may have wanted a new leadership for Al Quaeda/ISIS, or just to take down Al Quaeda's/ISIS leadership for a new one to arise.

You're shooting your own foot.

Saudi Arabia is USA's ally.

>Saudi Arabia, progenitor of 90% of wahabbi terrorist shitheads, American ''''''ally'''''
Yeah pal, just like Israel's our "greatest ally"

And? Why not make the bad guys Iraqi instead of an ally? Why needlessly complicate it?

Double down on the conspiracies. Tell them the real truth is that 9/11 never happened at all.
There never was a World Trade Center. All photographs of the WTC are doctored and fake footage was inserted into movies and TV to make the population believe there had once been a WTC. Everyone who claims to remember the events of 9/11 is either deluded or a paid actor.
No planes were crashed and no buildings collapsed. The entire atrocity is a lie inserted into history, like the holocaust

>Yeah pal, just like Israel's our "greatest ally"
Ok, retard.

>MAY 20, 2017: Donald Trump visits Riyadh and closes the largest armament treaty in history worth 350 billion dollars, including cybersecurity technology, tanks, missile systems, radars and communications. This summit consecrates Saudi Arabia as the third largest defense budget in the world (after the US and China, and ahead of Russia) and seals the "friendship" between Jared Kushner (Trump's Jewish son-in-law) and Mohamed bin Salman (minister of defense Saudi and Crown Prince). Trump's explicit support emboldens Saudi Arabia and the UAE, and concerns more ambiguous regional actors such as Kuwait, Qatar and Oman.

theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/20/trump-visit-hailed-by-saudi-leaders-as-reset-of-regional-order

if you post an article about something at least make sure your statement is based on the facts given in the article

I think youre underselling the financial gain of lucky larry who could never have afforded to demolish those junky old towers

For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago.

>if you post an article about something at least make sure your statement is based on the facts given in the article

The article was only orientative, fucking retard. But nice cherrypicking you dont look like the retard you are.

washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/06/08/the-trump-administrations-tally-of-350-billion-plus-in-deals-with-saudi-arabia/?utm_term=.9e18098034cf

wasnt criticizing your statement just the fact that you post an article as a source that said something inconsistant with the statement you made

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