Latin America thread

I haven't seen a thread on Latin America in a while, Independence period especially, how the fuck did an entire continent unite to btfo the Spanish and then fragment and fight each other into oblivion, why did such large countries filled with resources fail miserably at becoming relevant.

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Mostly greed and corruption. US intervention where it needed and being a giant ass jungle, many parts inaccessible except by hiking.

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>Mostly greed and corruption

Yes but where did this come from? The US united 13 colonies and became what it is today.

The answer is this:
1st -Mountains and rainforest are huge barriers, and create separate bags pretty isolated from each other
2nd -Spain's plan for the Americas included an intention of making each part of the Americas have a relation of dependence with Spain, and that include to undercut the relationshit among each other using laws and institutions.
3rd -Rich people of every place in the Americas would rather have all the political power in their bag that some power in an entity bigger than their bag.

Mexican here. A series of bad mistakes that piled up endlessly just until the 1930s. And we were the best off. That's our case, anyways.

Unironically the Anglo

Why on earth is Bolivia such shit? They lost practically every war

>entire continent

Come on now

"Caudillismo" and Criollos.

>an entire continent unite to btfo the Spanish
That's not how it happened

Latin American independence wasn't a united and coordinated process. There were at least 3 independence movements profiting from Napoleon invation.

>ywn see Gran Colombia in the modern ages
>ywn see Peru-Bolivia confederation with Peru’s border
>ywn see Argentina control Uruguay,Paraguay and Chile

Didnt they cooperate? Any good books on the subject

The last one is wrong, Solano Lopez did nothing wrong

Let me rephrase that
>ywn a la plata union encompassing Chile,Argentina,Uruguay and Paraguay with Buenos Aires as the capital

There were main geographical and social differences with societies in southamerica. The continent was impossible to keep united sans the native murder and colonization by already homogenous populations like in the USofA

>platineans
>south andeans
>gran-colombians

The biggest fractioning ocurred in grand-colombia; where retarded sperglord bolivar couldnt rule for shit.

The second best was Platinean; where land was too rough to keep control centralized and subdivisions such as the Entre-Rios and Uruguayans could have become states on their own given time.

Chile-Peru-Bolivia(Alto Peru) is a geoethnical divsion on economical and administrative grounds.

>Didnt they cooperate? Any good books on the subject
no, they did not, even all the independence movements were crushed until Fernando VII abolished the constitution and the army from Spain suposed to land in Venezuela (bigest than any army that any country in america could have raised) revolted, dividing the realist faction in America

shamefully there are no good books about it in english at least to my knowledge, if you speak spanish is a whole new world too

What the fuck was their problem?

Resources don't matter as much as industrilaization does, the climate and land of Latin America doesn't lend it self towards this type of industrialization, and as imperial capitalism developed, the advantage in natural resources was further diminished.

If you go beyond the stereotypes and the tourists traps you'll find south america an interesting continent. As you move to the tip you'll discover wild and remote places filled with amusing people.
As a brazilian, it's rather weird. Our irrelevance and inner problems create this vibe that the world can burn and we'll just sit down and watch. Our irrelevance is both our weakness and also our advantage if you're a chill person.
I'm planning to move to Punta Arenas at some point in the future 'cause i'm a sucker for cold weather and snow and also cuz chile offers a special visa for mercosur citizens.
A brazilian who doesn't close himself to the rest of the world can learn to speak both spanish and english early in life and I consider that an advantage in a international setting.

>argentina
>controling anything more than their dick
There's a reason why uruguay didnt join argentina despite being ethnically simillar.
Although if san martin hadnt been a fucking freemason; he'd accepted the offer of governorship the peoples ofnsantiago gave him; and we'd have a transandinean republic.

>Chaco war
>over a bravado outburst
>get btfo by all your neighboors
>lose 90% of your adult male population
>still hasnt recovered
>the only reason it still exists its because the remains of the army plus children soldier went into the jungle and went gorilla warfare

was a perfectly fine, self-supplied country with closed borders til their neighbors got greedy and started a war against them

Forgot:
>The entire war was for nothing because no one ever found oil in el chaco

That was the Triple Alliance war you dumbfuck.

no, it was an aggresive ethnostate with half a million soldiers and a leader who wanted to play Napoleon

That was the Paraguayan War (or War of the Triple Alliance). The Chaco War took place in the thirties. Paraguay actually won this war against Bolivia.

Oh shit right; sorry.

lel keep shilling (((their))) agenda and blame it on Lopez, he did nothing wrong

> he did nothing wrong
attacking both Argentina and Brasil was a stroke of genius

Culture,

The British colonies were building a new society heavily drawing upon and continuing Enlightenment and common law principles

The Spaniards were there to mine, convert, and fuck

>muh memes

It did not happen in Brazil. When the French Empire invaded Portugal in the ending months of 1807, the Prince-Regent D. John VI chose to transfer the entire court to Brazil. 15,000 nobles chaotically embarked for America under British escort while General Junot's army was approaching Lisbon. The fleet arrived in Brazil only the following year. The chubby ruler effectively built the colony as a kingdom in status equal to that of Portugal. Had it not been for his action, Brazil would almost certainly have disintegrated.

>attack your biggest neighbors
>get nearly wiped out
Are you sure he did nothing wrong?
>Had it not been for his action, Brazil would almost certainly have disintegrated.

Actualy there was a little cooperation in South America between Bolivar and San Martin. Mostly because the Pacific side of south America was Royalist. Remember for the British, French and Portuguese was easier to harrass the Spanish colonies on the Atlantic.
When Spain was libertated from the French, and went back to absolutist practices, it was necessary for them to liberate that area. Also the Sapnish liberals in the Royalist army makes a lot of room for conspiracy theories.

>fight each other into oblivion
What? It was precisely the lack of state vs. state violence (among many other things) that hindered political development in Latin America.

when San Martin got relevant the independence was already just a matter of time. All hope was lost by 4 of may 1814

Seriously, who thinks "well we lost to Texas, we can totally take on all of America!"?

Wrong war dude...

Are there any good Veeky Forums book guides on "latin" american history and the revolutions? English works are preferable but I can translate Spanish fairly well.