Were there any blacks in medieval Europe?

At least other than the slaves in Spain? Yes, I know the Moors brought some black slaves along to Spain. Supposedly the black slaves were chained together naked at the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa and the Spaniards had to riskily jump over them. (Which is the picture I have.)

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On BBC they act as if Europe had a plethora of blacks in the Middle Ages. Is this true? I think it is not true.

I didn't know that there were slaves in Christian Spain, could anyone elaborate on this?

It wasn't the Christians who had slaves. It was the Muslims. (Moors)

But anyway other than the Moorish slaves (which are pretty well recorded) were there any blacks in medieval Europe? The BBC likes to act like blacks had a large and glorious presence in medieval Europe but this does not seem true to me.

Maybe but there would be so incredibly few as to be completely insignificant in any historical sense.

Why does the BBC act like there were a whole lot of blacks then?

Is there even a record of a single black person outside of the Iberian Peninsula?

It's likely there were some Ethiopian merchants in the big Urban centers or some negroes were bought as court curiosities.

Interesting. Didn't know about that. Links?

In the early middle ages just following the fall of Rome you'd have seen some. relationships with north Africa were still fairly good, then due to the whole Christianized-Romanized thing. They're wouldn't be many if any in the northern provinces, but anywhere boardering the Mediterranean is fair game.
The whole anti-african racism didn't really exist at this time, and without Islam creating a devide there was nothing to stop them moving around.

The BBC has an agenda, you know this already user, stop baiting and say what you want to say.

Of course not. Niggers were far too stupid to make their way across both the Sahara Desert and Mediterranean Sea into Europe.

The court nigger thing was pretty common thing during the 18th century, oldest known example of the meme in Britain is from early 16th century.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_British
>A black musician is among the six trumpeters depicted in the royal retinue of Henry VIII in the Westminster Tournament Roll, an illuminated manuscript dating from 1511

This is something I found for the Ethiopians:
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_historiography
>This was followed by the lengthy stay of Pietro Rombuldo in Ethiopia from 1404 to 1444 and Ethiopian diplomats attending the ecumenical Council of Florence in 1441, where they expressed some vexation with the European attendees who insisted on addressing their emperor as Prester John.
It's diplomats, though

Velazquez (royal court painter in spain) 1599-1660 had a black slave

Aren't the Middle Ages supposed to have ended in 1450 with the printing press? People are citing things that occurred after medieval time.

No the sight of black men was still shocking in the middle ages to europeans pretty much crusaders.

For some historians medieval ends with French revolution or even the industrial revolution.

Even during WW1 people were shocked from negores. One got captured in Yugoslavia and the Yugos through it was some elaborate ruse and tried to scrub the paint from his face.

>At least other than the slaves in Spain?

Never heard of that before. I always thought the time frame was 476-1450. The furthest I've ever seen medieval times stretched is 1492. (Columbus' discovery of America.)

>had a black slave
He was a morisco not black. Moriscos=/=blacks. Either way in European courts it wasn't weird to have a black slave as a curiosity

Yes. Source:

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Well a Byzantine emperor was described as having the same color as Ethiopians by a Lombard monk.

>For some historians medieval ends with French revolution or even the industrial revolution.
What? So for them the idea of "early modern era'" periodization makes no sense or something?

Ethiopians doesnt looks like typical negro btw

Dna studies show some level of black dna in spaniards.

>source my ass

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Yes they do.

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The text aside, none of the mosaics or paintings depict a black man. Whoever made that pic is a class A cuck.

Men were almost always depicted as darker than their women.

>The whole anti-african racism didn't really exist at this time, and without Islam creating a devide there was nothing to stop them moving around.
First off, North Africa isn't Black. Blacks begin around the Sahel. Second, Mediterranean People in antiquity obviously knew Blacks were different from themselves. Third, the reason you don't hear about "anti-black racism" in the Roman Empire is pretty much the same reason W.E.B dubois didn't experience any racism in Imperial Germany. Any Black who ended up in the Roman Empire would have been such an oddity/curiosity/marginal individual in Roman Society that unless he specifically acted out in a deviant or criminal manner nobody would have any reason to treat him with hostility.

Elizabeth compained about blackamoores in London during her reign

That's well into the Early Modern era.

>specifying men

Your pic aside it seems in general they are less likely to have wide dindu noses.There's likely a lot of mixed blood in Ethiopia.

Apart from the occasional but omnipresent Africans in Muslim states and perhaps a trader or two, the only Christian state we know of that had a notable presence of blacks was Norman-Staufen Sicily. The most famous of them would've been Johannes Maurus, Frederick II's chamberlain of his Muslim colony/fortress/palace at Lucera after the kebabs were deported. After the emperor's death and subsequent power struggle Maurus apparantly wanted to support the Pope against Manfred Hohenstaufen but the Lucerans caught wind of that and killed his ass as they were staunch Staufen loyalists.

The Norman kings very consciously tried to adopt Muslim and Byzantine iconography in order to legitimize themselves towards those subjects. The two Staufen emperors even more so. This included having black retainers and depicting them in some artwork, which might've also been to demonstrate the universality of their rule. There's some interesting articles about how this might've radically changed how blacks were depicted in European artwork (more realistically).

tl;dr there's been some interesting They wuzn't kangs tho.

*some interesting Medieval blacks in Europe

can medievalpoc do anything other than farming images on google and deliberately misinterpret them?

Ironically it's a white lady running it and milking money from nonwhites on patreon.

>Ironically it's a white lady running it

Of fucking course it is.

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>where they expressed some vexation with the European attendees who insisted on addressing their emperor as Prester John.
kek

Certainly. Personal slaves of a foreign dignitary, freemen living there, mixed descendants of previous 'escapades' or marriages.

Many? Not at all. Very rare, in fact. The same way you'd be able to find whites in Egypt during medieval times, as Genoa and Venice had many commercial links there. Heck, even white people in China under Mongol occupation (as blacks too)

Portugese explorers began exploring the Congo coast and trading for slaves in the mid-15th century. Dom Alfonso, the son of the King of Kongo (he converted to Christianity quickly) studied at the University of Lisbond starting in 1513 and was appointed Bishop of the Kongo in 1520.

So there would have been a trickle into urban centers and ports in the early modern era.

Under Rome is was probably more common.

700-1400 it would have become much, much more rare.

Keep in mind contact was very one directional, with natives in central Africa seeing no Whites, while Blacks were a huge portion of the population in the New World by the mid-1700s.