How come early Turkic peoples were described as light haired and blue eyed, despite their Far Eastern location?

How come early Turkic peoples were described as light haired and blue eyed, despite their Far Eastern location?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenisei_Kyrgyz
>The Yenisei Kyrgyz, also known as the Ancient Kyrgyz or the Khyagas (Khakas), were an ancient Turkic people who dwelled along the upper Yenisei River in the southern portion of the Minusinsk Depression from the 3rd century BCE to the 13th century CE. The heart of their homeland was the forested Tannu-Ola mountain range (known in ancient times as the Lao or Kogmen mountains), in modern-day Tuva, just north of Mongolia. The Sayan mountains were also included in their territory at different times. The Kyrgyz Khaganate existed from 550 to 1219 CE; in 840, it took over the leadership of the Turkic Khaganate from the Uyghurs, expanding the state from the Yenisei territories into the Central Asia and Tarim basin. The Yenisei Kyrgyz mass migration to the Jeti-su resulted in the formation of the modern Kyrgyz Republic, land of the modern-day Kyrgyz.

>Since the Turks were being described as people of small stature in the Tangshu,[citation needed] the description of the Kirghiz as tall, blue-eyed blonds excited the early interest of scholars, who assumed that they could not have originally been Turkic in language.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumans
>The Cumans (Polovtsi) were a Turkic[1][2][3][4]:116 nomadic people comprising the western branch of the Cuman-Kipchak confederation. After the Mongol invasion (1237), many sought asylum in Hungary,[5] as many Cumans had settled in Hungary, Bulgaria and Turkey before the invasion.

>The original meaning of the endonym Cuman is unknown. It is also often unclear whether a particular name refers to the Cumans alone, or to both them and the Kipchaks, as the two tribes often lived side by side.[7]:6 However, in Turkic languages qu, qun, qūn, quman or qoman means "pale, sallow, cream coloured", "pale yellow", or "yellowish grey".[21]:51[22]

>The Cumans were reported to have had blond hair, fair skin and blue eyes (which set them apart from other groups and later puzzled historians)

>The Armenian historian, Matthew of Edessa (died 1144), also mentioned the Cumans, using the name χartešk (khartes, meaning "blond", "pale", "fair").[40]:173[41]

>In East Slavic languages and Polish, they are known as the Polovtsy, derived from the Slavic root *polvъ "pale; light yellow; blonde".[24][25]:43 Polovtsy or Polovec is often said to be derived from the Old East Slavic polovŭ (пoлoвъ) "yellow; pale" by the Russians – all meaning "blond".[25] The old Ukrainian word polovtsy (Пóлoвцi), derived from polovo "straw" – means "blond, pale yellow". The western Cumans, or Polovtsy, were also called Sorochinetses by the Rus', – apparently derived from the Turkic sary chechle "yellow-haired". A similar etymology may have been at work in the name of the Sary people, who also migrated westward ahead of the Qun.[26][full citation needed] However, according to O. Suleymenov polovtsy may come from a Slavic word for "blue-eyed", i.e. the Serbo-Croatian plȃv (плȃв) means "blue",[27] but this word also means "fair, blonde" and is in fact a cognate of the above; cf. Eastern Slavic polovŭ, Russian polóvyj (пoлóвый), Ukrainian polovýj (пoлoви́й).[28] An alternative etymology of Polovtsy is also possible: the Slavic root *pȍlje "field" (cf. Russian póle), which would therefore imply that Polovtsy were "men of the field" or "men of the steppe".

>In Germanic languages, the Cumans were called Folban, Vallani or Valwe – all derivations of old Germanic words for "pale".[4]:106 In the German account by Adam of Bremen, and in Matthaios of Edessa, the Cumans were referred to as the "Blond Ones".[24]

they were nordic but they raped the local mongols so much that they ended up as mongols themselves

OP let me give you a quick overview of turkish history.
The earliest account of turks and other turkics was from the Xiongnu which was a tribal confederation between turkic and mongolian tribes. After centuries of war between them and the chinese the chinese managed to win and the whole thing fell apart.

A part of them went west and became the huns who terrorized the roman empire and pushed the germanics south leading to the fall of rome.
Another part of them went also west and conquered central asia where in those times iranian and other indo-european nomads lived, its possible that many of these people had the aryan blonde blue eyed look. Anyway when the turkics conquered the place they didn't kill all the locals but race mixed with them creating the central asian turkics like turkmen, uzbeck, kirghiz and kazakhs, this is also why the turkics in central asia look so different from eachother.
So after a while many of these turkics went further west and created several states like the khazar, pecheneg and cuman khanate.
So basically the blonde blue eyed looks come from the people they conquered as turks in general didn't genocide the people they conquered but they interbred and assimilated them this is also the case with anatolian turks for example.

They raped the weak and conquered 'nordics' that's why some were like that you revisionist faggot.

t. turk who cant handle he is nordic

If I were nordic I would be watching blacked.com 24/7.

please dont mock your paternal ancestors like that

If anything they would be maternal.

Uh, propaganda maybe?

>all this WE WUZIN

You don't need to be European to have fair hair and eyes

>The further east you live, the chinkier your eyes are
That's not how things work OP, east asians have slit eyes because they originally came from northern Siberia.

Kirghiz people were described as blond haired blue eyed in OP and they have mostly Indo-European Y-DNA even today, founders of the original Turkic Khaganate also had Indo-European Y-DNA :)

Yeah user they look like true scandinavians.
Anyway you should just accept by now that your snow nigger ancestors were nothing but mudhut dwelling savages until the mediterenean and celtic man taught them how to be civilized.

Probably more like Harbin.
It was almost impossible to travel between northern/western Siberia and China during the ice age. That's why haplogroup R is associated only with its brother Q.

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They don't look like Scandinavians because they miscegenated with Mongoloid women, their mtDNA is mostly East Asian

WE

>implying its not a pathethic scandinavian who is wewuzzing in order to mask his people's irrelevance

Sure thing sven you should go check on your gf she should be done with Mamoudu by now.

Truth hurts, huh :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R1a_frequency_by_population

Might be if it hurt.
One thing everyone is sure about is how worthless scandinavians were throughout their existence.
The only germanics that are worth a damn are the ones that mixed with celts and latins.

Meant if it were true*

>with celts
most didn't
>with latins
kek when

Saka
PIE
Proto Iranic Scthians/Saceans
Nordic people didn't exist

R1a is Iranic not European

they developed so close together and just so happen to be "modern neanderthals"

Descendants of Scythians and Sarmatians

In 99% of the time you do, though.

>what are the english
>what are the french
>what are the spaniards

Also if you look at where celts lived before germanic expansion you'll see that it is basically every relevant european nation's historical territory. Just admit that pure germanics were literal niggers. Norwegians got rich from oil and the swedes are comitting cultural suicide just so that they can jack off to their gf/wife getting fucked by somalis.
Only the danes are worth a damn.

Proto-Indo-Iranian comes from the sintasha culture, which in turn is likely to be an eastern offshoot from the European Corded Ware culture, making them, as their haplogroup shows an ancient European people.

Why do you think that so many greeks described them as a fair European people?

>it's another: DUDE I'M TOTALLY NOT A SILESIAN GAY HOMO FAGGOT, I JUST HAVE PICTURES OF HANDSOME MEN SAVED ON MY COMPUTER episode

don't forget, Norway has Celtic haplomemes and so does Denmark, not as much as Germany or England, but they still have them.
The real redpill is realizing Celtic =/ Gaelic
The ancient race of Celts who are now mixed out of existence were the true master race.

Oh I didn't know that. So does that make the swedes the most germanic of them all?

yes

>Denmark

Nope. Gael slave R1b is absent there.

That kid is a descendant of Romans though

She's Mongolian from the far west of the country. Unlike most Mongols she has some steppe Iranian admixture.

>>what are the english
Mostly Germanic.
>>what are the french
>>what are the spaniards
Peoples most Germanics never mixed with.
R1b has Germanic subclades also.

IIRC it was found in Dutch Bell Beakers.
It probably has both Germanic and British subclades.

Nigger are you retarded a few ten thousand anglos ,saxons and jutes couldn't in anyway displace around 2 million celts. Besides its pretty common knowledge by now that the average englishman is around 30-40% germanic the rest is celtic.

Also if the germanics have nothing to do with france or spain what are the frankish empire and the visigoth kingdom of iberia then you retard?

>the average englishman is around 30-40% germanic
Depends on the area.
>Also if the germanics have nothing to do with france or spain what are the frankish empire and the visigoth kingdom
I'm saying that they didn't mix with the local populace as you claimed, Frankish Empire and Visigoth Kingdom were both ruled by a Germanic elite.

That's on average though meaning that most englishmen aren't even germanic.