How did German nationalists regard the Netherlands and Switzerland?

Most of Switzerland isn't German.

>complete distinct
Jesus fucking Christ. I genuinely didn't know it's possible to be this retarded.

German =/= Germanic

It's either past your bedtime, or you're American.

I live at the north sea coast of Germany. We are closer to dutch than every other part of Germany.

>It's either past your bedtime, or you're American.
cringe

Nobody said that you turboautist. Why do you keep answering when your knowledge about the matter is non-existant, neither from a linguistic point of view, nor from a historical one? I asked what were the attitudes of German nationalists at the time regarding the Netherlands and Switzerland (which of course you avoid completely just to sperg out about the Dutch being completely different) and you haven't contributed anything to the discussion yet.

And by the way, you're answering to two different people.

maybe you should ask the Dutch about that
I answered your question in my first post. It merely reflected your ignorance of Dutch culture, and merited replies as such.

>I live at the north sea coast of Germany. We are closer to dutch than every other part of Germany.
Still not close enough, Bernd.
t. Henk

About what?

The Alsatians thought themselves as different from Germans, yet the Germans still considered them German. Corsicans don't really feel italian, but Italians do see them as italians. Doesn't really mean shit that the Dutch saw themselves as different from the Germans. You completely missed the point of my post but good for you if you feel better about yourself by pretending to know things you're clearly ignorant about (don't come saying that you know shit about linguistics, because you clearly don't).

Every state trying to expand and assimilate.
Germany occupied some lands of modern Denmark and claimed population are Germans.
Germany lost WWI - they became Danes. Victory meant absorbation of whole Denmark with "Northern Germans".

I repeat, Germanic =/= German. That's all the linguistics I need to know that you are a complete moron.
About how Dutch they think you are.

This is a map from a Weimar era atlas i own, showing areas inhabited by ethnic germans/varieties of the German language.
As you can clearly see, this author definitely regarded the Dutch as part of a greater German ethnicity.

Here's the area of Plattdeutsch.

Go make your homework before lecturing the others you turboautist.

You won't find a dutch person in the world that considers us "a completely distinct culture and ethnicity"
Banter excluded

Er ist wahrscheinlich der einzige Amerikaner hier lmao.

He may have done, but that still doesn't change the fact that the Dutch considered themselves a distinct ethnicity. If they Germans wanted the hassle of integrating distinct ethnicities, they'd have annexed Denmark after the Second Schleswig War, as I wrote in my very first post. The fact that they didn't clearly indicates that claygrabbing was never the point.

They are a minority

There are different dialects in the Netherlands, I can understand Dutch people speaking Low Saxon in the North. Brabantic is harder, but for people speaking a Lower German dialect it's def not like learning a new language.
You just need to be aware of false friends in Holland and Brabant dialects.

a distinct language nonetheless

Yeah, but thats not what this thread is about.

>How did German nationalists regard the Netherlands and Switzerland

Answer: Most regarded them as effectively German. That does not mean that they necessarily wanted to annex these areas.

Veeky Forums hat meine negativen vorurteile gegenüber Amerikanern ironischerweise stärker bestätigt als /pol/, wohl weil man hier weniger trolle und larper annimmt.

The german consonant shift is crucial, the pronunciation of Lower German is closer to Dutch than to Higher German.

That guy is right, Dutch is effectively a German dialect. Do you also think Scots is a language separate from English?

bullshit

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>high level of discourse

The Dutch are part of the same people as people from the BRD are, but they use their our own ship to sail the world.

Germaboos regarded basically anything sans northern italy (even then maybe...) as rightful german clay because it was Holy Roman Emprie

yet it's rightful German clay, but that doesn't make it BRD clay

rotmoffen

you were given your answer in the very first post. That you chose to be offended by it and act like a little bitch doesn't change that.

The very first post has already been disproven lad.

no it hasn't

>The Netherlands are Germany's Catalonia that managed to stay free.
we will never be Spanish, you retard

See
The Germans did see the Dutch as german whether you like it or not. OP didn't even say that the Dutch are German, but asked whether the Germans considered the Dutch as part of the German nation during the XIX century, which is a totally legitimate question, I honestly cannot understand why would someone get so assblasted about that, even the Dutch in this thread have admitted their ties to Northern Germany.

I don't know for sure but I don't think they harboured fantasies of annexing them, though I'm sure they saw them as German.

>They are a completely distinct culture and ethnicity
Not true, Dutch are basically Low Germans. Ethnically they may be somewhat removed from most Germans, but in the modern BRD there are many different types of German ethnicities and dialects anyway.

>If it was simply a matter of grabbing clay, the Germans would have annexed Denmark after the Second Schleswig War.
Danes weren't really closely related to the Germans though, aside from being Germanic. Dutch were and are much closer.

Bavarians have their own wiki page too, does that mean they're not German?

I'd also point out that 'Dutch' is a corruption of 'Deutsch'. You can't get any clearer than that.

Liechtenstein is not contiguous with Germany and Luxembourg did in fact lose territory to Belgium but the rest was likely saved from Prussia because the Dutch King was head of state.

You realise that 'German' is basically a collection of a fuckload of different dialects that are barely mutually intelligible?

This is true to an extent, ethnically and linguistically they were similar, but culturally they were very different and had a different history.

Holy shit you're retarded, German is an umbrella term, Germanic is a wider one still that includes Scandis and England.

My point wasn't what the Germans wanted, it was what the Dutch wanted. And they considered themselves distinct.
slightly similar =/= the same.

The Germans may as well have tried to annex the British, the Swedes or the Danes by your logic. What few Dutch have actually commented in this thread have made it clear that your notion of familiarity is pure German fantasy. The fact that the Dutch wanted no part in the Kaiserreich should be sufficient proof of that as well.

confirmed for not german
plattdeutch is very much german its just fucking slurred i can understand platt if i listebn i cant understand a sinlge word of dutch or danish

Citing wikipedia should be illegal on Veeky Forums.

Wat de fok am I reading.

No we are not German, although we are very closely related to them. We are genetically, culturally and linguistically distinct.

To us Germans are a bunch of unfunny working drones, we did not buy into their pan-German ideals in the war and a good chunk of old people still hate their guts.

You could’ve just said “I’m American and I have no idea what I’m talking about” and it would’ve conveyed the same message in fewer words m8

>Dutch is a corruption of Deutsch
Yes, illustrating the idiocy of some Anglo sometime. In Dutch, their language is called Nederlands and has NOTHING to do with anything close to "Dutch" except for their name for Germany; Duitsland.

Actually it is, Swiss German is the dominant ethnicity in Switzerland.

>we did not buy into their pan-German ideals in the war
at least officially

Of course we had volunteers in the SS. And our own national socialist movement was in favor of close ties with Germany, but those who wanted complete annexation of the Netherlands within the German Reich were a minority within a (significant) minority.

Most nationalists wanted a new greater Dutch state reunited with Belgium.

Arnt the dutch more related to the franks?

Yes but the Franks have not been around for like a thousand years

>claiming to understand Platt but not a single word of Danish or Dutch
You don't speak proper Platt then. It's a little deeper than greeting with Moin. Grout doun un nix nich verstaan, schall ick afkon son Dickdoer

>To us Germans are a bunch of unfunny working drones
Incidentally, belgians think dutch are a bunch of unfunny cheapskate drones.