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>Republican party is liberal and Democratic Party is conservative

Is that correct? If that's correct, what happened?

the hell are you doing in this board if you didn't even know that simple fact?

Broadly speaking, the Republican Party has historically been the party of business/industrialists while the Democratic Party was populist. Both parties used to have a lot more ideological variation within them (i.e. you had more progressive Republicans and conservative Democrats).

Democrats always pander to braindead populists.

Victoria 2 is idiot central.

>OP goes on history board to ask pertinent question
>gets shit on for not knowing this one piece of history
I'll never understand.

Starting in the 1960s, both parties became dominated by social issues and embraced neoliberal economics. That is why the American """""political spectrum""""" can be divided nicely into "liberal capitalists who support gay marriage" v.s. "liberal capitalists who oppose gay marriage"

This isn't r/askhistorians faggot. We're not here to educate retards.

Thats a pretty shitty attitude to have. Also OP might not be an american.

Fuck off back to r*ddit.

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>Everyone I don't like is reddit

>Liberal means social democrat
this is where you're fucking up OP

>the purpose of Veeky Forums is to educate people

The Democratic party was a long-standing political organization, prominent in the South prior to the secession, which split over the issue of slavery as the more populous Northern states began taking abolitionist positions.
The Democrats' primary opposition, the Whigs, split into many smaller parties and completely folded over the abolition movement, and the newfound Republican party used that as momentum to push an abolitionist platform spearheaded by Lincoln.

As another user said, the Democrats were more populist (its in the name) and the Republicans more representative; as the issue of slavery settled and the massive spike in legal population and then voting population came about after the Civil War their platforms steadily switched sides.

The Republican abolitionist platform was largely a pro-industrial stance, not a moral argument as many Lincoln revisionists have correctly pointed out. Southern states were dominating trade on agriculture and making money for nothing with slave labor.

This. It's almost sort of comically funny of how deliberately racist a lot of Southern Democrats were, as, like, the easiest way into getting into office was to rant about niggers. Examples:


Senator James K. Vardaman

>"If it is necessary every Negro in the state will be lynched; it will be done to maintain white supremacy"

>"There is no use to equivocate or lie about the matter. ... Mississippi's constitutional convention of 1890 was held for no other purpose than to eliminate the nigger from politics. Not the 'ignorant and vicious', as some of the apologists would have you believe, but the nigger. ... Let the world know it just as it is. ... In Mississippi we have in our constitution legislated against the racial peculiarities of the Negro. ... When that device fails, we will resort to something else"

>After Tuskegee University president Booker T. Washington had dined with Roosevelt, Vardaman said the White House was "so saturated with the odor of the nigger that the rats have taken refuge in the stable."[12]

>Referring to Washington's role in politics, Vardaman said: "I am just as much opposed to Booker T. Washington as a voter as I am to the coconut-headed, chocolate-colored typical little coon who blacks my shoes every morning."

Or Benjamin Tillman:

> A white supremacist who opposed civil rights for blacks, Tillman led a paramilitary group of Red Shirts during South Carolina's violent 1876 election. On the floor of the U.S. Senate, he frequently ridiculed blacks, and boasted of having helped to kill them during that campaign.

Woodrow Wilson support of the KKK in his writings was cited in the original Birth of the Nation, but he was quite moderate compared to his contemporaries in the South, and actually purged some Southern Democrats who got carried away with their 'anti nigger antics'.

>Asking a history related question that will foster discussion on a board dedicated to talking about history is wrong

That's true of the 20th century, but the 21st century has so far been dominated by 'liberal capitalists' and 'authoritarian socialists' instead.
It is fair to say that the American political 'spectrum' is horseshit.

>>"There is no use to equivocate or lie about the matter. ... Mississippi's constitutional convention of 1890 was held for no other purpose than to eliminate the nigger from politics. Not the 'ignorant and vicious', as some of the apologists would have you believe, but the nigger. ... Let the world know it just as it is. ... In Mississippi we have in our constitution legislated against the racial peculiarities of the Negro. ... When that device fails, we will resort to something else"
This is probably true though. The Alabama State Constitution is the longest legal government document in the world (not exaggerating) strictly because it was written to be as impenetrable as possible to keep niggers from affecting governmental change, and it was written around the same time (1901)

Holy shit, it's like /pol/ but politically relevant and with influence.

>but the 21st century has so far been dominated by 'liberal capitalists' and 'authoritarian socialists' instead.
Holy fucking shit are you serious hahahaha

this board is for discuss history not to teach, and also you dont need to be american to know the shit he is asking

cant help but cringe when i hear the

>le democrats became the good guys in the 60s!!!
>but roosevelt new deal was still based!!! that was the real democratic party... for that period...hehehehe

>actually the democrats didn't change, they just use welfare plantations instead or real ones!

>what happened?
The association between organized labor and communism/socialism during the Cold War as well as the decline of American industry diminished the power of the unions, and thus robbed the Democrats of one of their main sources of political influence.

This motherfucker decided to shift the party towards pandering to racial minorities for votes, which drove away the remaining white blue collar voters, who were welcomed by the Republican party.

Well yeah, Democrat conventions were called Klan assemblies for a reason.

The Republican Party was literally founded with the explicit purpose of abolishing slavery in the United States.

Isn't it mysterious how about the same time immigration was radically reformed with non-whites becoming an ever increasing group?

This is factually correct though. Do I need to dredge up the LBJ quote? How about bussing statistics?

>This motherfucker decided to shift the party towards pandering to racial minorities for votes, which drove away the remaining white blue collar voters, who were welcomed by the Republican party.
I don't think so. The urban Catholics, for example, joined the GOP because of abortion. As far as I know, there were still blue collar Democrats in the Midwest until very recently. Wasn't there a bunch of hoopla about how Obama voters went for Trump in 2016?

>Do I need to dredge up the LBJ quote?
The dubious, unverified one about "niggers voting Democrat for 200 years" correct?

>dubious, unverified
Better verified than every Presidential "quote" of the past 20+ years. Lies agreed upon, etc.

So in your mind, that means he actually said it?

he's not wrong

>Play Victoria 2
>No manpower because HURR DURR NO SOLDIER POPS NO REINFORCEMENTS

>you have no one working as a soldier left
>you haven't started conscription yet
But you're surprised that you ran out of men to fight for you?

That's a minor nitpick on a mechanic that actually makes sense, unlike producers throwing away all the goods they couldn't sell at the end of the day.

If your gonna nitpick Vic2 mechanics atlease do it against something that deserves it.
Seriously. In a game where trade goods are actually important you would think they'd add shit like they did in the EU games like embargoing.

In Vicky II terms both parties today are liberal, but Democrats have Interventionist instead of Laissez-Faire.

It pisses me off that parties have no religious affiliation in Cucktoria 2.