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>french
>philosopher

This frog clearly didnt know what life as a cave man must have been like

Really peaceful on average

>t. autistic kraut

>What are raids where they stole your food and women?

Raids are a social construct

>meet another tribesman
>your two options are club or be club

Rare

Epic

That could pass for a Neil deGrasse Tyson quote.

There's not enough evidence for either of you to be so sure.

Is this the foundation of leftism? It would explain a lot.

The foundation of leftism is the "natural" desire of men to be free and "natural" affection for their fellows.

The idea that society corrupts people, and the idea that society civilizes people, are more or less equivalent as foundations of progressive politics.
As the song goes "je suis tombé par terre, c'est la faute à Voltaire, le cul dans le ruisseau c'est la faute à Rousseau !"

But if you want a seminal quote of the latter here it is.

>tribes
>natural state
Read a book

Are chimpanzees living in their natural state ?

but that would lead to a tragedy of the commons, only by someone staking a claim can land be tended to and nurtured to become more productive (in the long term)

He's right, though.

Can't we all just agree that both Hobbes and Rousseau were correct? People do get corrupted by institutions. But they don't solely do that, some people are also simply born with the proclivity for evil.

Furthermore, certain game theoretical situations are conducive to evil actions even though the individuals themselves aren't evil; like an arms race.

Hunter-gatherer tribes and bands are the natural state of humans yes. Your ancestors have been doing it for a million years or more, and it was the case everywhere before the past few thousand years.

To expand on my post, it must be assumed that humans are naturally good or otherwise ideals like justice, freedom and so on will be impossible for us to understand and acted on. This is basically a statement against the Christian dogma of a sinful man (we were naturally good but fell into temptation), which concludes that we need Jebus to be good.

That's what you want to believe, and not the truth.

Why? Why not just use the utilitarian perspective and say it's best for all of us to act in a mutually beneficial way.

There isn't any scientific evidence that the natural state is ever existed,according to logic they are both wrong

>scientific evidence
>history

There will never be anything historical that reaches the level of rigor required to be called scientific evidence.

But why do you think that they thought of this natural state as of an historical period ?

they believed that before civilization was born, men lived in a state of nature where laws did not exist.
Hobbes believed that civilization was born from the need to control violence while Rousseau believed that civilization was a consequence of private property

Your concept of liberty and rights, or at least the one of your government, is most likely inspired by him desu..

Hobbes pls go

Total depravity is a far better doctrine. All men are born evil.

2/3 Men in Hunter Gatherer society died in battle as opposed to 1/3 dying of old age or disease/natural causes

Source: your ass

Based on what we can see in modern tribes and the documentary record, this is a stereotype.

He had to attack the 'memento mori' dogma or something like that. Otherwise people would stay obsessed with the afterlife, to detriment of secular one, still be loyal subjects and the social system back then. This was a big problem back then. By semi-postulating (aka bullshitting) that humans are naturally good, it means that such goodness, virtues etc. can be immediately perceived by every humans, regardless of their social position.

There's plenty of evidence that primitive civilizations, e.g. pacific islanders, were full of rape and murder. No reason to believe that even more primitive people had it any better