One of the great mysteries of European history in my eyes is the complete reversal in character between the ancient Romans and medieval or modern Italians.
The Romans were very organised, disciplined, serious, rather stern and stoic, military-minded, cared little about family ties (they frequently adopted people unrelated to them or murdered their blood relatives), and were unusually ready to sacrifice themselves for the common good of their nation (as legionaries).
The Italians are just the opposite in all these respects. They are possibly the least organised Europeans, among the least disciplined. They are fun-loving hedonists. They have made terrible soldiers ever since the Middle Ages (Italians haven't won a single foreign battle in history, except in Libya and Ethiopia where their army far outnumbered the locals in number and fire power). Italians attach a lot of importance to family relations, and often place loyalty to family and friends above that of society or the whole nation. One of the main problems of modern Italy is tax fraud, because people don't feel enough solidarity with other Italians.
Carter Fisher
Not all romans were italians, also, not all italians were latins.
Nicholas Bell
99% of Roman literature is the authors complaining about hedonism, degeneracy, and corruption. Sounds pretty much like modern Italy to me.
Tyler Reyes
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Charles Sullivan
>Sicily >North African and Greek That's hardly surprising, but leave it to Americans to know fuck all about European history.
Connor Moore
>you will never fuck her cute little cunny
Angel Reed
Thank God
Camden Cooper
>hey user! Why are you so mean?
Jace Morales
because italians were only good when there was cultured, authoritarian governments emphasizing strong male characters, all great states in history have this in common.
Mussolini did no such thing and didn't even have much power anyway as he was ultimately still under the thumb of the king and parliaments / senates.
Kevin Campbell
>all romans were le serious stoic
Spotted the mutt that has never read Latin literature
Angel Garcia
Few things
Sicily =/= Italy
Romans were loud buffoons sometimes too
And Italy produced the Renaissance
Owen Gutierrez
>The Romans were very organised, disciplined, serious, rather stern and stoic, military-minded, cared little about family ties (they frequently adopted people unrelated to them or murdered their blood relatives), and were unusually ready to sacrifice themselves for the common good of their nation (as legionaries). You literally think this because of Hollywood. Romans most likely spoke quickly and loudly just as modern Romance-speaking peoples do.
>The Italians are just the opposite in all these respects. They are possibly the least organised Europeans, among the least disciplined. They are fun-loving hedonists. They have made terrible soldiers ever since the Middle Ages (Italians haven't won a single foreign battle in history, except in Libya and Ethiopia where their army far outnumbered the locals in number and fire power). Italians attach a lot of importance to family relations, and often place loyalty to family and friends above that of society or the whole nation. Italian states won plenty of wars before 1861, and after that were only on the losing side of two (WWII and first Italo-Abyssinian). Their family values are because of Catholicism.
Cooper Rogers
>The Romans were very organised, disciplined, serious, rather stern and stoic, military-minded, cared little about family ties (they frequently adopted people unrelated to them or murdered their blood relatives), and were unusually ready to sacrifice themselves for the common good of their nation (as legionaries) American education
Camden Ortiz
she’s so hot without too much makeup.
Christopher Cook
La creatura adorable...
Noah Roberts
Wtf she looks way better like this
Daniel Cooper
Dude Roma was more corrupt than Brazil and Argentina together. Panis et circensis was real
Jordan Butler
After taking the reigns on the whole building civilization thing for a thousand years they decided to take a break
Brody Hughes
>The Romans were very organised, disciplined, serious, rather stern and stoic Way to out yourself as someone who's never read Latin literature in your life.
Wyatt James
Amerinutts are ugl-
William Jackson
WE
Hunter Phillips
Under the Lombards, the informal or "vulgar" forms of Latin was the official language.
That's why
Blake Moore
A few hundred years of leas poisoning
Jaxson Myers
The Roman people in general were not their legionaries and patricians senpai. Judging a culture by its military is pretty silly even for one as martially inclined as Rome was. Not all Americans are the marines and generals who fought in Korea.
Family ties were also important as fuck senpai.
Austin Fisher
>haven't won a signle foreign battle in history that's wrong desu
Aaron Price
*panem et circenses
Benjamin Mitchell
Imagine being so fucking absolutely retarded that you actually believe Romans as whole regularly killed their relatives.
Holy fuck Veeky Forums really needs to have a simple test to ween out these idiots
Tyler Wright
Rangeban USA and these brainlet threads will be reduced to a minimum.
Landon Lee
South Italy was colonized by the Greeks who later largely assimilated into the population.
Hudson Martinez
>when you see the gabagool
Colton Price
Victorious-era Ariana was wifey-tier. Now she's been thoroughly negrofied and jewified.
Jordan Rogers
>having Dan 'hold er tighter, shes a fighter' Schneider's seconds No. Not into age play
Matthew Gomez
It's important to note that they spoke greek and stayed a separate group well into the renaissance though, most moved into the cities during this period.
>>mfw did my thesis on the effect of the fall of rome on culture on the Italian peninsular.
If you want to ask my about it feel free, I know a stupid amount about this one subject as nobody has written books on this subject.
John Wilson
this
Andrew King
this, she went from cute white teen to hispanic crack whore
Josiah Turner
>this is considered white in America
Eli Perry
>S*cilians >White
Jacob Long
>white skin >not white Huh?
Jacob Perry
Modern day Italians have absolutely fuck all to do with ancient Romans in terms of ancestry. Romans died out as in ethnicity in 212 AD and before that 88 BC. Not one single Italian today descends from a Roman much like not one single Greek today descends from a Spartan.
Elijah Evans
what are you trying to say man :c
Bentley Roberts
Source?
Caleb Brown
>my prejudices are facts
Angel Cooper
>literally has North African genes by her own admission >white
Nolan Hernandez
>being partially north african makes you black
Jordan Brown
>if you're not white you're black
Adam Rivera
la creatura....
Evan Wright
Yes she is
Oliver Cook
Most Southern Europeans have some North African genes, but it almost never goes over 10%
Connor Gonzalez
>One of the main problems of modern Italy is tax fraud, because people don't feel enough solidarity with other Italians. Nobody is paying taxes out of solidarity, if there is tax fraud it is because the tax police is ineffective or corrupted or both.
Carter Lopez
>North Africans are white la atrocidad...
Ethan Stewart
I'm waiting senpai
Cooper Green
Her assumption that she is is simply greek and north african is the american level ignorance.
Sicilians are of the same ethnic stock as Southern Italians.
Kayden Turner
She's hot in a slutty way now.
Hudson Perry
Come on bruh give me the sauce back up the stupid shit that comes out of your mouth
Daniel Thomas
and Veeky Forums wouldn't exist, honestly would be better for all of us
Ian Williams
all of history you moron. I'm not even that guy but you seriously think most people living in Athens today are related to ancient Athenians? christ you're a moron