How did Romans turn into Italians?

One of the great mysteries of European history in my eyes is the complete reversal in character between the ancient Romans and medieval or modern Italians.

The Romans were very organised, disciplined, serious, rather stern and stoic, military-minded, cared little about family ties (they frequently adopted people unrelated to them or murdered their blood relatives), and were unusually ready to sacrifice themselves for the common good of their nation (as legionaries).

The Italians are just the opposite in all these respects. They are possibly the least organised Europeans, among the least disciplined. They are fun-loving hedonists. They have made terrible soldiers ever since the Middle Ages (Italians haven't won a single foreign battle in history, except in Libya and Ethiopia where their army far outnumbered the locals in number and fire power). Italians attach a lot of importance to family relations, and often place loyalty to family and friends above that of society or the whole nation. One of the main problems of modern Italy is tax fraud, because people don't feel enough solidarity with other Italians.

Not all romans were italians, also, not all italians were latins.

99% of Roman literature is the authors complaining about hedonism, degeneracy, and corruption. Sounds pretty much like modern Italy to me.

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>Sicily
>North African and Greek
That's hardly surprising, but leave it to Americans to know fuck all about European history.

>you will never fuck her cute little cunny

Thank God

>hey user! Why are you so mean?

because italians were only good when there was cultured, authoritarian governments emphasizing strong male characters, all great states in history have this in common.

Mussolini did no such thing and didn't even have much power anyway as he was ultimately still under the thumb of the king and parliaments / senates.

>all romans were le serious stoic

Spotted the mutt that has never read Latin literature

Few things

Sicily =/= Italy

Romans were loud buffoons sometimes too

And Italy produced the Renaissance

>The Romans were very organised, disciplined, serious, rather stern and stoic, military-minded, cared little about family ties (they frequently adopted people unrelated to them or murdered their blood relatives), and were unusually ready to sacrifice themselves for the common good of their nation (as legionaries).
You literally think this because of Hollywood. Romans most likely spoke quickly and loudly just as modern Romance-speaking peoples do.

>The Italians are just the opposite in all these respects. They are possibly the least organised Europeans, among the least disciplined. They are fun-loving hedonists. They have made terrible soldiers ever since the Middle Ages (Italians haven't won a single foreign battle in history, except in Libya and Ethiopia where their army far outnumbered the locals in number and fire power). Italians attach a lot of importance to family relations, and often place loyalty to family and friends above that of society or the whole nation.
Italian states won plenty of wars before 1861, and after that were only on the losing side of two (WWII and first Italo-Abyssinian). Their family values are because of Catholicism.

>The Romans were very organised, disciplined, serious, rather stern and stoic, military-minded, cared little about family ties (they frequently adopted people unrelated to them or murdered their blood relatives), and were unusually ready to sacrifice themselves for the common good of their nation (as legionaries)
American education

she’s so hot without too much makeup.

La creatura adorable...

Wtf she looks way better like this

Dude Roma was more corrupt than Brazil and Argentina together.
Panis et circensis was real

After taking the reigns on the whole building civilization thing for a thousand years they decided to take a break

>The Romans were very organised, disciplined, serious, rather stern and stoic
Way to out yourself as someone who's never read Latin literature in your life.

Amerinutts are ugl-

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Under the Lombards, the informal or "vulgar" forms of Latin was the official language.

That's why

A few hundred years of leas poisoning

The Roman people in general were not their legionaries and patricians senpai. Judging a culture by its military is pretty silly even for one as martially inclined as Rome was. Not all Americans are the marines and generals who fought in Korea.

Family ties were also important as fuck senpai.

>haven't won a signle foreign battle in history
that's wrong desu

*panem et circenses

Imagine being so fucking absolutely retarded that you actually believe Romans as whole regularly killed their relatives.

Holy fuck Veeky Forums really needs to have a simple test to ween out these idiots

Rangeban USA and these brainlet threads will be reduced to a minimum.

South Italy was colonized by the Greeks who later largely assimilated into the population.

>when you see the gabagool

Victorious-era Ariana was wifey-tier. Now she's been thoroughly negrofied and jewified.

>having Dan 'hold er tighter, shes a fighter' Schneider's seconds
No. Not into age play

It's important to note that they spoke greek and stayed a separate group well into the renaissance though, most moved into the cities during this period.

>>mfw did my thesis on the effect of the fall of rome on culture on the Italian peninsular.

If you want to ask my about it feel free, I know a stupid amount about this one subject as nobody has written books on this subject.

this

this, she went from cute white teen to hispanic crack whore

>this is considered white in America

>S*cilians
>White

>white skin
>not white
Huh?

Modern day Italians have absolutely fuck all to do with ancient Romans in terms of ancestry. Romans died out as in ethnicity in 212 AD and before that 88 BC. Not one single Italian today descends from a Roman much like not one single Greek today descends from a Spartan.

what are you trying to say man :c

Source?

>my prejudices are facts

>literally has North African genes by her own admission
>white

>being partially north african makes you black

>if you're not white you're black

la creatura....

Yes she is

Most Southern Europeans have some North African genes, but it almost never goes over 10%

>One of the main problems of modern Italy is tax fraud, because people don't feel enough solidarity with other Italians.
Nobody is paying taxes out of solidarity, if there is tax fraud it is because the tax police is ineffective or corrupted or both.

>North Africans are white
la atrocidad...

I'm waiting senpai

Her assumption that she is is simply greek and north african is the american level ignorance.

Sicilians are of the same ethnic stock as Southern Italians.

She's hot in a slutty way now.

Come on bruh give me the sauce back up the stupid shit that comes out of your mouth

and Veeky Forums wouldn't exist, honestly would be better for all of us

all of history you moron. I'm not even that guy but you seriously think most people living in Athens today are related to ancient Athenians? christ you're a moron

Epic bait

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>Roman empire means white

Well, Rome is in Italy. Hope that helps OP!