Spenglerism

more like sperglerism amirite

t. megalopolitan degenerates.

There are multiple levels of phases, the rough timeline for Faustian culture can be seen in pic related.
>Preculture, where the prime symbol and essential elements of the culture come into being
>Spring, where the culture develops into a coherent whole
>Summer, where the culture's development reaches its apex
>Autumn, where the culture starts to exhaust its possibilities
>Winter, where the culture enters its final form.
Winter itself can be divided into three phases
>The rule of money, where the culture develops a mechanized version of its prime symbol (Buddhism for Indian culture, Stoicism for the Classical and Spengler's definition of "Socialism" for the Western) and politics becomes purely a field of financial interests, sometimes in the form of a democracy
>Caesarism, where populist dictators take advantage of the eroded traditions of the culture and use brute force to sieze power. The power of "money" is replaced by "blood" meaning instinctive cultural ties. This does not happen immediately, for example Rome first got Sulla, then Pompey and the Triumvirate, then Caesar and finally the emperors, while the facade of democracy still remained through consuls.
>The "end stage", the only one of Spengler's stages which does not have a defined length, as it can last a few centuries (for the classical) or thousands of years (for the Indian). Here the imperial structure built up in the previous stage slowly starts to decay and politics becomes more and more crude, rendering the empire vulnerable to young cultures and outside invasions.

Veeky Forums cycle:
X trend gains momentum, everyone agrees with it, arguments and narratives are created to support X.
Short period of time pases, people want to differentiate themselves from popular opinion, they create arguments and narratives against X.

You cant have a real discussion here, it's a contrarian board.

The sheer amount of frenzy spengler generates indicates that his critics recognise he’s basically right

He told the truth and politicucks will throw truth under the bus for their fantasies and desires to change the world
焚書坑儒 when?

>Der Begriff einer Katastrophe ist in dem Worte nicht enthalten. Sagt man statt Untergang Vollendung, so ist die ‚pessimistische‘ Seite einstweilen ausgeschaltet, ohne daß der eigentliche Sinn des Begriffs verändert worden wäre.

Based.

I like how he writes. He has a very unrelenting, grim writing style.

All hope abandon ye who enter here.

The fact that you fixate so much on the reactions of critics implies a lack of confidence in your opinions. Like you need critics to validate your bullshit, rather than accepting that some people are just dumb

Idealist brainlet who failed to account for material reality in his goofy fantasy writing and thinks history will play out in the same way it did in the past in a post-scarcity future. He's basically /pol/ with more elegant prose.

>post-scarcity

Spengler is pretty anti-/pol/ though, because he's saying the end of western civilization is unavoidable. Likewise Caesarism is not something that will save or even rejuvenate western civilization, but the beginning of its end.
If he lived today /pol/ would call him a defeatist cuck, blackpilled, shill etc.

>calling someone an idealist brainlet while banking on post scarcity becoming real
Ultimate irony right here

>fetishizes materialism
>is basically an idealist

No, I’m not saying spengler’s right because he’s criticised I’m saying he’s criticised because he’s right

He tried to blackpill Hitler

He was correct about Hitler.

>Gegenüber den Massen ausführender Hände, die der mißgünstige »Blick der Kleinen« allein sieht, wird der steigende Wert der Führerarbeit weniger schöpferischer Köpfe, der Unternehmer, Organisatoren, Erfinder, Ingenieure, nicht mehr begriffen und gewürdigt, am meisten noch im praktischen Amerika, am wenigsten im Deutschland der »Dichter und Denker«. Der alberne Satz: »Alle Räder stehen still, wenn dein starker Arm es will« umnebelt die Gehirne von Schwätzern und Schreibern. Das kann auch ein Ziegenbock, der ins Getriebe gerät. Aber diese Räder erfinden und beschäftigen, damit jener »starke Arm« sich ernähren kann, das vermögen nur wenige, die dazu geboren sind.

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>0-500 AD was a time of chaos
The Roman Empire fell in 476. The last 500 years of its history were relatively peaceful and full of cultural development.
Spengler's probably one of like a million guys who compares modern civilization to the Roman Empire. So what?

He regarded Faustian and Appolonic culture as seperate entities.
A clock is a bad image to show his worldview tho, because argued for the death culture/civilisations.

Reminder that Spengler predicted Russia to be the biggest contender for the next High Culture, and that Orthodox Christianity will become its soul.

Convert to Orthodoxy, Veeky Forums, and join a growing, young Culture instead of clinging to the decadent West. It's never too late.

>white girls
The potential he saw in Russia was to unite the Central Asians. This is the sense he saw in the movement of the capital from Petrograd to Moscow.
Also any shift in this direction should have been massively deleayed by the utter failure of the Soviet Union.

He also argued that the Roman Empire after circa 300 AD switched from "Classical" to "Magian" culture.

The removal of the hellenic religion was a drastical change. Both religions lead to completely different world views. Also he claimed that this shift mainly happened in the eastern part where significant portions of the population were Arab, which is the race carrying the Magian culture.

Except Spengler doesn't think Rome and Greece were even a part of western civilization, so by time of chaos he means mostly western/northern Faustian Europe. Good job outing yourself as someone who's not even remotely familiar with his ideas.

It's pretty much correct if you know anything about Byzantines, they display certain "eastern" characteristics and by that I don't mean just Eastern Roman, but Semitic. The iconoclast crisis started because the entire eastern half of the Byzantine empire started absorbing islamic doctrines.

False, he said that Russian culture is pseudomorphed to the west, and thus orthodox is the main religion, and predicted that when a real Russian religion appears, the russians will start to develop themselves as a civilization

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he was jewish

You must have been thinking of Voegelin.

Read the unabridged version of his works. His emphasis on artistic legacy as revealing the inner beliefs of a society is vital to understand his work. Lots of what he writes comes across as this weird Hegelian hermeticism.

The most import thing about his model is that it is loosely defined with great emphasis on the abstract, non-economic grounds for history. He really digs through that in an inventive and creative way.

His worst criticism in my opinion is that he really doesn't see modernity or the period after the industrial revolution as 'different'. But his view on technology doesn't reflect how technological advancement survives societal collapse. Of course he could not have know it at the time, but technology seems to depend on a systematic scale. I.E. the Smart phone requires millions of consumers to be viable, but the water mill only needs a small village to be viable so it can survive a dark age with ease while the smart phone can not.

Follow him up with reading on Toynbee if you can stomach him. I read Toynbee and his god damn enormous set of volumes over a 6 month period. Check out Gasset y Ortega too.

>muh falsifiability

I've seen people say he had some distant Jewish ancestry or whatever, but he was not culturally Jewish. If we were to go by that logic it would throw Montaigne, Cervantes and a whole bunch of others into doubt. The Spanish Inquisition forced quite a few Jews to convert to Catholicism or get out. Whatever the question of the recent converts (often viewed as cryptos), later descendants should be in much less doubt.

Wittgenstein and Proust had far more Jewish ancestry, yet they were raised as Catholics. Even the Nuremberg Laws under Hitler tried to somewhat distinguish between those who were culturally Jewish (from whence springs the kind more subversive to the West) and those who just had the odd bit of Jewish ancestry.

Have people who are wrong ever been criticised?

Except Spengler classified Orthodox Christianity as Magian, not Western. The pseudomorphosis by Western culture appeared during Tsar Peter's reign 700 years after the baptism of Kiev. Spengler even explicitly stated that Dostoyevsky (a devout Orthodox Christian) represents the future of Russian spirituality. Orthodoxy IS the real Russian religion.

>Dostoyevsky
>devout
top lel

Russia has more control over Kazakhstan than it did during the empire, ironically.

He had one Jewish ancestor in 1799.

>According to an officer at the military academy, Dostoyevsky was profoundly religious, followed Orthodox practice, and regularly read the Gospels and Heinrich Zschokke's Die Stunden der Andacht ("Hours of Devotion"), which "preached a sentimental version of Christianity entirely free from dogmatic content and with a strong emphasis on giving Christian love a social application."
>In Semipalatinsk, Dostoyevsky revived his faith by looking frequently at the stars. Wrangel said that he was "rather pious, but did not often go to church, and disliked priests, especially the Siberian ones. But he spoke about Christ ecstatically."
>Dostoyevsky discovered the Pochvennichestvo movement and the theory that the Catholic Church had adopted the principles of rationalism, legalism, materialism, and individualism from ancient Rome and had passed on its philosophy to Protestantism and consequently to atheistic socialism.

The only thing that distiguishes the industrialised world from the world before is a huge increase in productivity and destruction potential. These are materialistic aspects of life. The general foundation of the Faustian world is still the same and the means by which these aspects are being reached are also engrained deeply in the Faustian spirit.
Also technological advancement in terms of horsepowers, which is the unit in which the nordic man sees progress, has happened only due to Industrialisation.

He's white according to Nuremberg