Nofap and testosterone/hormones

I agree though, porn is damaging I'm not making excuses. I seriously wanna know what happens if you fap without cumming.

>fapped every day but never ejaculated?
What would be the fuckin point?

That's like drinking beer and not getting drunk.

no, it's like getting more and more drunk and never having a hangover

I think your simile is good, but the gap between edging without finishing and drinking a beer or two instead of 6 or 7 seem farther than it implies.

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I think it would take far more discipline than just nofap, but if the release of semen decreases testosterone maybe having backed-up balls full of cummies would artificially increase testosterone more than nofap would.

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kek

>fap multiple times daily
>no gf
>content with life

>nofap
>no gf
>miserable

I stopped jerking to pr0n and now my dick is dead . its so fucking annoying i can't even get it up with my GF how do i fix this shit????

Nice strawman of my argument

Instead of using an appeal to authority fallacy claiming nofap is good because a people you find smart did it years ago, bring the actual motivations they used to motivate WHY it is legitimate.

Why did the taoist monks do nofap? You don't know why? Then why the fuck are you bringing it up? And if you do know why, bring that up instead.

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>Nofap and testosterone/hormones
NoFap doesn't increase testosterone and fapping doesn't lower test, fuck with dopamine or any other bullshit
To increase test naturally eat more meat/protein, sleep more, work out more/harder than you already do, have more sex and when you're otherwise not doing that, fap more
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html?zx=5c392185e96536fa
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
>europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
>webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
>urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
>frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
>m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
>answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
>healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation
>press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17520786

>how do i fix this shit????

It takes a while to reset. Your body is used to such intense stimulation. It takes time to re-sensitize.

2 months on no fap
Last jerk sesh was january 1
Dick died first month
Weird wet dreams
Have had sex but couldn't cum
Ama

Fixing your diet will do a million times more for your test and libido than nofap.

I'm willing to bet if you lack the self-control to stop jacking it so much you also probably eat like shit.
Sugary, fatty foods, soft drinks, processed garbage... All that shit will stone cold stunner your test levels and overall sense of well being.

I used to have weak boners, felt like shit... tried no fap. All it did was make me irritable. A man needs a release. If you're not getting it from a chick you need to give it to yourself. It's not healthy to build that shit up.
After that I switched to a mediterranean style diet. I dropped all refined sugar, all packaged foods, all pre-cooked foods and started eating pretty much nothing but loads of fruit, veg, fish, dairy (not too much) with some chicken and a little red meat here and there, nuts, olive oil, legumes, a glass of red wine a night... Basically once you know what you can eat you can go crazy with it.

A week in I became insatiably horny. My boners have since never been better no matter how much I masturbate. I feel sharp, focused, healthy... Going from takeout 3 times a week, burger van stuff every other day, prepackaged sandwhiches and soft drinks to this has been the best change I think I've made.

This has had tangible results. Nofap for me just made me fucking miserable.

Except ancient societies didn't have standardized methodologies to study shit in the first place, causing them to fill in the gaps with philosophy and mysticism. Putting aside the tools argument, much of the shit proposed by those groups were lost to bullshit because it didn't work, and out of the handful that remain that didn't have actual modern science behind it now, the remainder is placebo.

Just because some practices survived through the ages doesn't mean they are valid aside from manipulative psychobiological reactions which makes any practice just as "valid".

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
>These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.

Not a strawman, you were implying their findings were worthless, and I'm saying they aren't. It's not an appeal to authority either, that's like saying linking to reddit was an appeal to authority. Whether reddit or ancient shaman-doctors, both are tentative sources at best.

Why bring it up? For one it's fascinating, for two we don't have much scientific knowledge about it, hence also the anecdotal evidence from reddit.

>have more sex

I don't have that kind of money.

interesting idea here. I had a similar story when i switched to low inflammation diet. (meat, fish, veggies) and my dick was swollen huge many times a day. now nothing since i started eating wheat, dairy, and sugar again.

Is there a posted methodology and results section for this? The subjects could've just had higher serum which is in line with their abstract, but biologically useless.

Also a sample size of 10 is pretty tenuous, so take the results with a grain of salt

I was implying their findings were not relevant.
And they aren't and you never motivated why they were whilst insisting they somehow are.

On the reddit page you have people giving out motivations as to why their findings could be true/untrue whilst you provide none in regards to that taoist stuff.

They might be interesting facts about what taoists practice, but they're not relevant when trying to discussing nofap/noporn since they make no argument.

>Is there a posted methodology and results section for this
I can't figure out how to work the site and apparently all that is there is the abstract.

Yes, yes the titular no fap test study. Except it boosts test in such small amounts that it might as well never have happened at all and long term, test production tanks which is why dick is dead aqnd also why there are people in these types of threads going on about flatlining; because when you don't use your dick for while your body figures you don't need it. Literally use it or loose it

>chaosandpain.blogspot.ca/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html?zx=f515f47835614c29

>Have had sex but couldn't cum

So it seems nofap actually just fucks your dick up more than anything?

But this is interesting. What I'm taking away from this so far is that complete abstinence is damaging or at least useless, but a bit of discipline can't hurt. Also as mentioned by another user porn is bad for you.

Guess I'll jack off today then.

Nofap then and nofap now. Instead of chi, it's testosterone. If you don't see how that comparison is relevant then you're pretty dense. So far it seems both Taoists and nofappers are wrong anyway.

stopped watching so much porn at the beginning of February. Dick went cold, never got morning wood anymore, hooked u with a girl couldnt even get hard lmao. But now im waking up with more morning wood, get horny, using my imagination to jack off alot more. it takes time to see improvment

>There are young men who lift here, who could abstain from fapping or having sex for more than a week

After a week of no fap i would be so horny i would bend over your twink ass in the showers and rip you up.

No homo

Stop masturbating and use my butt instead senpai

A shitty comparison isn't an bringing any relevant argument. I see it and it's shitty and irrelevant.

Nice ad homninem thought, stay mad hippie-bro.

Who is this semen demon

What's wrong with her eyes?

Reverse

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don't see how no-fap dudes can do this. Literally within 2 days of not jerking off or getting a release, my balls start to ache like a mother fucker.

NoFap is horseshit, if you want more test then eat the right diet and exercise.

>mfw day 17 of nofap

I have transcended beyond the need for sexual pleasure. j/k i'm hornier than a stallion on steroids, considering installing Tinder for the first time.

Did 4 days of no fap

Then I fapped

Came so hard my left nut hurt for a good hour

Effects of semen retention can't be accurately analyzed by science because there are so many factors at play- hence why esoteric mysticism does a better job at explaining what happens. Start my looking into the concept of "sexual transmutation"

>ejaculating releases "chi" or the spiritual life force.
Basically this. I never had sex but I don't see how the energy shift of ejaculating and loss of semen would be any different inside a pussy or on the wall under my desk. But there would obviously be other effects of the physical intimacy which would make it feel better than masturbating (oxytocin, vasopressin, etc) but you would still be low energy afterwards. Hence why most men want to either go right to sleep or go be alone after sex than cuddle and talk.

Problem with this is it doesn't fix your masturbation and porn addiction, and eventually you will lose that nut, in fact you are actually searching for a visual or a feeling that will make you just go fuck in and let the splooge loose. Same with sex, there are various techniques for sex without ejaculating, coitus reservatus, tantra, karezza, etc. but I would not trust it because just like when edging to porn, you could suddenly go to far and cum.

Obviously normies are going to have sex though and any energy and consciousness shift you gain from nofap will be lost the moment you use your new high octane persona to meat a woman and nut in her pussy.

teach me your ways, grand wizard of nofap.

Sounds like me in my early 20s. I do lots of yoga, meditation and breathing pranayama nowadays, so now its been 22 days nocum and I feel calm, grateful and happy. Part of this is also having a unified perspective- I like being in this higher state of energy when I don't cum, and absolutely never want to have kids, so I don't actually want to have sex ever. If I did get with a woman I'd just want to cuddle and stuff without releasing any mana from my dick. But as I get older, and will be 30 soon what happens is I get increasingly monk mode. Doubt I will ever go full monk though because I have high T and truly enjoy just looking at women even if I never get to touch them and don't touch myself thinking about them. Its just seems so unavoidable that of the 5 senses, there is nothing more pleasurable to look at or want to touch and beautiful female bodies.

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>Worst case scenario, nothing happens
>You have literally nothing to lose

Nice try. I did no-fap for a year and now I only last 5 minutes in bed instead of 45 minutes. Take your broscience and go.

Your system is used to being constantly fed, it's panicking bc it thinks it's losing access to sex.
Power through it and your body will redirect resources to increase your magnetism
Sounds like a meme but is true

>make plans to fuck gf tomorrow
>really horny right now but don't want to fap and ruin load for tomorrow
>want to last more than 20 minutes tomorrow
Wat do?

take a cold shower

also, just go multiple times lmao, why would you put yourself under pressure to just fuck her once and for 20 minutes

Just stop ejaculating ever. If you never went a day without fapping, build up incrementally until you can go at least 3 weeks. At 3 weeks that is when things really start shifting and your energy goes sky high, hence why since I started fapping, I only made it past 4 weeks twice before. Currently at 22 days and now I'm going to yoga every day and going for long walks and doing lots of deep breathing. Last year when I made it 66 days it was almost as if I reverted back to before I even know what it felt like to cum.

>not doing kegels
>not having coitus reservatus

What's it like to be addicted to porn? How does it affect your life?

I did nofap for 3 months, I kid you not. I also did noporn for 3 months. And you know what I got out of it? I lost my morning boners.

Out of this I think I got a new meta on what the optimal amount of time is to fap.

Hear me out: 1 month

Why?

Well monogamy was an important thing for our species, and the female cycle is also one month. Now why would it evolve like that? Surely it cannot be because of natural systems in the man? Or them being at a best optimal solution for the hormones, and time spans?

I already eat well, and sleep superb, also meditate and suppress cortisol in various ways.

So what I noticed is that noporn, is totally cool. No fap as well, but only for a month. If you dont fap or get sexually stimulated, the desire for sex kinda dies down. But if you do get stimulated, its much more intense.

so yea, one month. Goal is to try to increase the amount of boners, and desire to fug by a lot.

I have trouble ejaculating after the first time.
We tried going back at it since I always maintain my erection after cumming, but later she started getting sore and we just stopped.

>and absolutely never want to have kids,
low test

>but later she started getting sore
nah, just bored

Some people develop all sorts of fetishes and even change in sexual orientation due to porn, but even if you just look at the most vanilla models and penis in vagina fucking, you can end up spending literally hours a day looking at porn. Porn and masturbation addiction can exist independently, but tend to go together and support each other. I don't do noporn, but when no masturbating I might spend 30 minutes browsing porn, but 4 hours when fapping to it.

Well let me clarify, my body aches to impregante a fertile thicc woman, and when I did 2 months nofap last year I literally fantasized about winning the Powerball jackpot and traveling around the work having sex and having 100 kids. But I have since realized I only get excited about the act of impregnating women and the idea of genetic legacy. In reality though, I am personally, politically, and philosophically opposed to ever having kids, and by extension, I should never have sex. You can't turn off your sex drive with logic, but you certainly can overcome the desire to have intercourse itself by knowing the consequences, namely the possibility of pregnancy and loss of semen retention energy, are not worth it. Still can't help enjoying looking at woman and wanting to touch their bodies though.

>, I am personally, politically, and philosophically opposed to ever having kids, and by extension, I should never have sex.

far out man.

get those monk gains

pic related

criminally underrated posts
high quality. you're doing God's work man - keep it up

broke a 21 day streak last night. feels bad but i know how essential it is to keep at it.

I've watched porn forever and the only fetish I have is one for slightly beefy women or for cartoon drawings of beefy but feminine women

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>Falling for the NoFap meme
You guys realize all the positive effects are all in your head and you're selectively choosing to ignore all the negatives that your decisions have lead to?
Women don't think you're more approachable, and don't want to fuck you more, you're not more confident, and your testosterone increase is minimal.
However your dead dick, fact that you last shorter in bed now more than before, and wet dreams are all too real.

>I've watched porn forever and the only fetish I have is one for slightly beefy women or for cartoon drawings of beefy but feminine women
Same here. Plus dickgirls. But that's one and the same thing, isn't it? Women with testosterone in general.

Kike detected. Listen to what you are saying.
>BRO YOU MAY FEEL MORE CONFIDENT AND ENERGETIC, BUT YOUR NOT MORE CONFIDENT AND ENERGETIC.

Do not listen to anti no fap shills, they are just salty because they know they dont have the willpower to stop and they are content to be porn addict slaves for their whole lives. No Fap does increase testosterone and fixes bad mental reliance on stuff like porn. Start no-fap RIGHT NOW!!!

Can someone at a University just conduct some randomly selected experiment where we have a control group of people that fap once a day for a week and people that don't fap for a week straight so we can all shut the fuck up about this once and for all?

>ITT: Cookie cutter porno addicts

They actually tried that, but they couldn't find people who don't fap lmao

Also how are you gonna control that? You can't trust people to self report, especially university retards

Film them 24/7!

fapping everyday has taught me how to get hard without even being arroused, I just decide now is a good time to fap and flex and my dick gets hard. As a result if I want I can fap 4-5 times consecutively as well but it hurts like hell after the 3rd round.

Or you can, y' know, listen to the science. Nearly everyone masturbates, the fact that you're an antisocial fuckhead with a bad lifestyle has nothing to do with you masturbating. If your logic worked then a wet dream, sex, blowjob, handjob, etc. would undo all the process that your nofap brought you. Face it: you're lying to yourself, might as well stroke your cock right now and let it all out.
[spoiler]and I don't watch porn when I fap most of the time[/spoiler]

Shit, ignore the spoiler tag fail, forgot what board I was on.

sex is a natural fucking thing that humans do regularly
if you're doing nofap, and you also don't have sex you will fuck up your mind and your dick, potentially leaving you unable to become aroused

the only bad part of fapping is porn, if you can have a good masturbation session without looking at porn you'll be 100% fine, but if it gets to a point where you can't even pop a boner without porn, then it's a fucking problem

Cameras goddamnit, and if they fap then fugg their chit up.

>Shaming someone for fapping
why?

>nofap

FOR SCIENCE

more like this desu

I wish i could block pornography on my phone desu senpai

>no evidence
>but interesting anecdote
into the trash it goes

How I intend to attempt NoFap but still be sexually healthy

>Have sex with girls instead

you mean edgeing.

I did this mixed with nofap. I would get so worked up I would fuck girls from craigslist. two were nasty.

One was hot, and her husband stood in the corner while I fucked her...

purty cool.

Im doing no fap no porn right now. but I jerk off once a week to restart the test boost.

I feel its making my dick smaller

is this true because im currently going through the same process. as the guy u replyd too.

about how long does it take to resensitize rewire.

I was a porn addict degenerate for like 15 years

>wet dreams a negative

How do people get that into porn?

I had a friend who would read porn actress' bio for enjoyment..

I dont understand, I open up porn & as soon as I bust a nut I close it out. Do a lot of people watch porn from beginning to end?

Metal belts

I'm on the border of the nofap meme.

I used to fap 2-3 (sometimes more) times a day, and that shit isn't good for you I think.

So I blow one off in the morning before I shower and stretch, etc etc. It's been helping a lot!
It's more enjoyable and it's helping my slight ED (from fapping so much every day). I just wish falling asleep would be easier.

How do you guys deal with the blue balls??

REEEEEE WHY CAN'T I FUCKING STOP FAPPING Veeky Forums

I have been attempting NoFap since I was like 15 and I'm 22 now. Most I have EVER done is something like 60ish days.

What the fuck? Why am I such a weak willed fag? Why do I have such bad fuckarounditis?

When I do NoFap I am more confident, have a deeper voice, and am more motivated. After I fap I'm like a salmon who has just laid eggs and I just want to float in the stream until a bear eats me. It totally destroys my joie de vivre.

Plus I have experimented enough to be almost certain that fapping is connected to my disgusting acne.

Yet given all of these benefits I still have never achieved a decent streak. Is it even worth it anymore fit? Should I just grab the handgun on my nightstand and end it like the hopeless incel that I am?