>the roman empire
The roman empire
John James
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Aaron Jones
They were in pretty steep decline by then.
Easton Turner
Please don't bully Byzantium
Parker Lewis
Rome was a beautiful empire. Then Constantine had to be a nigger.
Charles Perez
This
Justin Sanchez
Constantine made the empire more beautiful by building Constantinople
Josiah Jones
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Jaxon Foster
>Roman empire
>don't control Rome
Evan Martinez
Manzikert makes me unironically ree.
The fucking successor of the Roman empire being replaced with goatfucking Turkish tribes because of a feigned retreat and a family feud
John Thompson
>empire can be overthrown by basically anyone and if the Senators/Praetorians in Rome and/or the generals accept him, he's the new legitimate successor to Augustus
>also if a German or Turk does the exact same thing all the other emperors did than they're not real emperors lol
what did Byzaboos mean by this
Isaiah Davis
>successor of Roman Empire
lol
also 1 Turk worths 200000 fake Romans (Byzantines)
Jacob Morris
So the Roman Empire ended in 751 in your opinion?
Jaxon Young
All the emperors from Augustus to Constantine XI lived, served, and ruled in the same state. The HRE and Ottoman empire were both different states who claimed to be the Roman Emperor
Daniel Price
>successor of the Roman empire
It was not the "successor" it *was* the Roman Empire
Anthony Gutierrez
no it wasnt. it was the Eastern Roman Empire, which was the successor to the singular Roman Empire after it was divided in two
Jose Flores
one of the two successors*
Lucas Peterson
R*man """"""""""civilization""""""""" everyone
Grayson Jenkins
It was never "divided in 2" it was just 2 administrative divisions of one empire. Complete continuity.
Josiah Morris
>the leading institutions of Rome proclaim a German guy Emperor of the Romans
>the leading institutions of Constantinople proclaim a Turkish guy Caesar of the Roman Empire
>this doesn't count because there wasn't a continuity of state, but Odoacer's continuity of state doesn't count
what a mess
Cameron Rodriguez
Odoacer abolished the empire in the west, and proclaimed himself "king of Italy" that' why his state doesn't count.
Eli Clark
I've gone so far
Hunter Anderson
>Byzaboo delusions
Zachary White
It did though brainlet, look up Justinian
Christopher Cook
Cry harder Mehmed
Chase Howard
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Owen Martin
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Anthony Cooper
Wouldn't that make it only 50% Rome then?
Jordan Martin
lmao """roman"""""""""""empire""""""""""" everyone
Juan Johnson
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Elijah Carter
look at OP's map retard
Bentley Reed
Adrian Goldsworthy calls it a lesser successor.
Cooper Miller
>Some nobody says something wrong
Xavier Robinson
>a renowned rome historian is some nobody
Isaac Nguyen
No matter how renowned he may be, he's still wrong on that
Henry Anderson
barbarians not welcome
Jackson Cooper
What is it about some people that has them personally invested in how 'long' and how 'continuous' a political entity was.
They treat it as a personal affront on their sacred honor if ________ ended on X date instead of Y.
Jaxson Ortiz
Will Durant even went as far as called Byzantine Greek empire in his book
Easton Lee
Manzikert was a disaster thanks to Byzantine infighting, not because muh KARA BOGA BLACK TURKISH COCK