Jewish Messiah?

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Jesus fulfilled all of the messianic prophesies that were ripe, and that indicated he is the messiah.

Jesus has not yet fulfilled all of the kingdom age prophecies, because we have not yet reached the Kingdom age.

Hence the Second Coming.

Because we know Jesus fulfilled all of the messianic prophecies that were ripe, we can know that Jesus will fulfill all of the rest of the messianic prophecies when they become ripe.

>Murder the Messiah
>Reject the Kingdom
>Reject the Murdered Messiah for not bringing in the Rejected Kingdom.

Jews.

Because Jews murdered him.

Thats because he isn't the jewish messiah, he is everyones messiah

Oh bullshit, sumbitch failed at everything.
Can't even get his tabernacle unearthed.
Dadgum failure, a piece of shit wanker.

He was alive during the Second Temple, which was necessary to show his lineage to David, as all of the genealogical records were in the Temple.

And lost in the Jewish wars against Rome that started in 66 AD.

Oh, yeah, and he showed up the very day Daniel prophesied that he would show up. 483 years after Artaxerxes' proclamation to rebuild the temple in 445 BC.

The very same day. And cut off, killed, but not for anything that he did. Exactly on the Passover, Nisan 14, 32 AD.

Just like the prophets said.

Don't put your foul atheism in Trump's mouth, you guttersnake.

For those of you who want to do the math, remember that a prophetic year has 360 days; there is no Year 0, and there were calculations done to the calendar that you would have to address.

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Lmao how's it feel to be a conspiracy theorist? No historian worth their salt denies the existence of Jesus the person.

snopes.com/trump-attacks-god-in-tweetstorm/

See?

>snopes

>2000 years later
>still waiting for universal belief in Yahweh
>still waiting for third temple
>still waiting for global peace
>so on and so forth

thats like linking to the huffington post, i have no clue how such an innocent website because so highly politicized

Nevertheless, Jesus still failed. Christians too.

And where is Maury when really needed?

Why does it matter if Jesus was the Messiah of the Jews? Isn't him being God good enough for Christians?

>God claims he's going to permanently destroy Tyre as a testament to his might and a prophecy to later generations.
>Even today its a bustling city

That question only makes sense if it were possible that the Messiah of the Jews was not God Himself.

Bullshit.

The prophecy was that the City of Tyre would be destroyed, and not be rebuilt.

The City of Tyre was destroyed, by several kings, and buried.

A new City of Tyre was built on top of the ruins of the doomed City of Tyre.

Get your fucking facts straight cock holster.

Wow who would have guessed that religious fundamenalists would be upset with some guy trying to radically alter its doctrine and probably kill him because that's how everything was handled in the iron age.

that's convenient

Jews claim the messiah would be a human being, not God or a demigod. He's supposed to be a descendant of David from his father's side. If Jesus' father is literally God then that prophecy cannot apply to him.

>expect some guy
>get literally God himself
>complain

You people are never happy

>destroyed and not rebuilt
>gets rebuilt

Certainly not Jesus.

There's a 10 panel demonstration to show you it's all true.

Look for it.

He's not the Jewish messiah. The word Jewish didn't even exist until the late 1700s. Don't believe me go look at an ORIGINAL douay rheims bible, the word jew isn't in there.

Nope. Before Jesus came, many of the wiser Jews realized that Abraham was right: God would provide Himself a Lamb for the offering.

Further, they realized that for the messiah to be killed, and to also set up an eternal throne, He must be God.

Later, that belief bisected into Jews, notably the Essenes, believing that there must be two messiahs, one modeled after Joseph who died for his brothers, and one modeled after David who set up an eternal throne.

After Jesus, the Jews who realized that Jesus, YHWH, is the Messiah became Christians.

The jews who did not were blinded, and remain blind to this day. They will hail the Antichrist as their messiah, as they demanded the release of Barabbas instead of Yehoshua.

Never rebuilt.

New city built on top of the never rebuilt ruins.

Ezra used the word Jew.

What would you call the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

How hard is this to explain: the word jew did not exist until the late 1700s, and you will not find it in the earlier douay rheims bibles.

you look it up

Shakespeare used the term in the early 1600s

rebuilt=rebuilt using the same stones? are you serious or just that retarded?

you're right, he hasn't

youtu.be/fSDytNu73Hg

That's an updated version to include the word Jew like they did with the 18th century Douay Rheims Bibles.

The word "Jew" was introduced into the English language for the first time in 1775 when Sheridan used it in his play "The Rivals," Chapter 2, p. 1, "She shall have a skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew."

It literally did not appear before then.

And yet it appears in the 1611.

Want to guess again?

I did. It was well done.

The third temple was built last decade.
exposingtruth.com/105-photos-stonehenge-constructed-modern-times/
Where the ark is the temple shall be.

Prophet Muhammad

Half your house is demolished. You fix that half. Your house has been rebuilt.

Your entire house is demolished. You bury the entire plot and build a new house on top.

Your house has not been rebuilt.

Then post it here.

It wasn't spelled with a J retard.

haaretz.com/archaeology/why-are-jews-called-jews-1.5410757

>The first known instance of this spelling is in Richard Brinsley Sheridan's comedy of manners "The Rivals", in 1775: She shall have a skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew.

the letter J didn't exist.

>your house has not been rebuilt

Sure it has. Especially if I used the same blueprints on the same plot of land

So I guess Jerusalem ceased to exist in 70?

Which is exactly why the word Jew didn't exist until 1775.

>build a city on the same spot with the same name
>b-but it's not "rebuilt"!

A little later than that, yes.

And then came back to being in one day, as the prophets said it would. May 14, 1948.

Your generation is too lazy to pick up food and put it in your mouth.

Correct. The City was not rebuilt. It was utterly destroyed, and buried.

And on top of the buried ruins of the non-rebuilt city, an entirely new city was built.

They confused you by calling it by the same name, that's all. But then, judging by your posts, you are easily confused.

When the Jordanians took it over?

John 4:22, Douay–Rheims Bible 1635 edition

you adore that you knovv not:vve adore that vve knovv, for saluation is of the iewwes.

Second Coming is made up

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Several aspects of this prophecy deserve attention and close scrutiny. The prophet predicted: (1) many nations would come against Tyre; (2) the inhabitants of the villages and fields of Tyre would be slain; (3) Nebuchadnezzar would build a siege mound against the city; (4) the city would be broken down and the stones, timber, and soil would be thrown in “the midst of the water;” (5) the city would become a “place for spreading nets;” and (6) the city would never be rebuilt.

Josephus, quoting “the records of the Phoenicians,” says that Nebuchadnezzar “besieged Tyre for thirteen years in the days of Ithobal, their king” (Against Apion, 1.21).

Ezekiel began his prophecy by stating that “many nations” would come against Tyre (26:3). Then he proceeded to name Nebuchadnezzar, and stated that “he” would build a siege mound, “he” would slay with the sword, and “he” would do numerous other things (26:7-11). However, in 26:12, the pronoun shifts from the singular “he” to the plural “they.” It is in verse 12 and following that Ezekiel predicts that “they” will lay the stones and building material of Tyre in the “midst of the waters.” The shift in pronouns is of vast significance, since it shifts the subject of the action from Nebuchadnezzar (he) back to the many nations (they). Till and others fail to see this shift and mistakenly apply the utter destruction of Tyre to the efforts of Nebuchadnezzar.

The Jewish Messiah:
Muhammad (PBUH)

After Nebuchadnezzar’s attack of the city “a period of great depression” plagued the city which was assimilated into the Persian Empire around 538 B.C. (Fleming, p. 47). In 392 B.C., “Tyre was involved in the war which arose between the Persians and Evagorus of Cyprus” in which the king of Egypt “took Tyre by assault” (p. 52). Sixty years later, in 332, Alexander the Great besieged Tyre and crushed it (see below for further elaboration). Soon after this defeat, Ptolemy of Egypt conquered and subjugated Tyre until about 315 B.C. when Atigonus of Syria besieged Tyre for 15 months and captured it (Fleming, p. 65).

In fact, Tyre was contested by so many foreign forces that Fleming wrote: “It seemed ever the fate of the Phoenician cities to be between an upper and a nether millstone” (p. 66). Babylon, Syria, Egypt, Rome, Greece, Armenia, and Persia are but a sampling of the “many nations” that had a part in the ultimate destruction of Tyre. Thus, Ezekiel’s prophecy about “many nations” remains as a historical reality that cannot be successfully gainsaid.

The secular, historical record detailing Alexander’s destruction of Tyre coincides precisely with Ezekiel’s prophecy concerning what would happen to its building materials. As Ezekiel had predicted, the stones, timber, and soil of the mainland city were thrown into the midst of the sea in an unprecedented military maneuver. For Ezekiel to have accurately “guessed” this situation would be to stretch the law of probability beyond the limits of absurdity. His acutely accurate representation of the facts remain as outstanding and amazing proof of the divine inspiration behind his message.

Benjamin began his journey from Saragossa, around the year 1160 and over the course of thirteen years visited over 300 cities in a wide range of places including Greece, Syria, Palestine, Mesopotamia and Persia” (Benjamin of Tudela, n.d.). In his memoirs, a section is included concerning the city of Tyre.

From Sidon it is half a day’s journey to Sarepta (Sarfend), which belongs to Sidon. Thence it is a half-day to New Tyre (Sur), which is a very fine city, with a harbour in its midst.... There is no harbour like this in the whole world. Tyre is a beautiful city.... In the vicinity is found sugar of a high class, for men plant it here, and people come from all lands to buy it. A man can ascend the walls of New Tyre and see ancient Tyre, which the sea has now covered, lying at a stone’s throw from the new city. And should one care to go forth by boat, one can see the castles, market-places, streets, and palaces in the bed of the sea (1907, emp. added.).

Never talked to God and worshiped the devil. Not a prophet, and in fact going to hell forever.

From this twelfth-century A.D. text, then, we learn that by that period of time the city known as ancient Tyre lay completely buried beneath the sea and a new city, most likely on some part of the island, had been erected. George Davis, in his book Fulfilled Prophecies that Prove the Bible, included a picture of Syrian fishermen under which the following caption appeared: “Syrian fishermen hauling in their nets on the probable site of ancient Tyre, which perished as predicted by the prophet” (1931, p. 11). In his monumental work on the city of Tyre, Katzenstein mentioned several ancient sources that discussed the position of “Old Tyre.” He wrote: “Later this town was dismantled by Alexander the Great in his famous siege of Tyre and disappeared totally with the change of the coastline brought about by the dike and the alluvial deposits that changed Tyre into a peninsula” (1973, p. 15, emp. added).

Taking these events into consideration, it is obvious that many nations continued to come against the island city, that it was destroyed on numerous occasions, and that it became a place for fishing, fulfilling Ezekiel’s prediction about the spreading of nets. Furthermore, it is evident that the multiple periods of destruction and rebuilding of the city have long since buried the Phoenician city that came under the condemnation of Ezekiel. The Columbia Encyclopedia, under its entry for Tyre, noted: “The principal ruins of the city today are those of buildings erected by the Crusaders. There are some Greco-Roman remains, but any left by the Phoenicians lie underneath the present town” (“Tyre,” 2006, emp. added).

Concerning Tyre’s present condition, other sources have noted that “continuous settlement has restricted excavation to the Byzantine and Roman levels and information about the Phoenician town comes only from documentary sources” (“Ancient Tyre...,” n.d., emp. added). Another report confirmed, “Uncovered remains are from the post-Phoenician Greco-Roman, Crusader, Arab and Byzantine times.... Any traces of the Phoenician city were either destroyed long ago or remain buried under today’s city” (“Ancient Phoenicia,” n.d., emp. added)

Yes, by God.

No, you're too lazy and dishonest to defend your own bullshit.

>trust me guys, I saw a solid proof with my own peepers while I was in the cave for a month

That's kind of how these things start

Zion was born in a day.

Jerusalem was liberated in '67.

What the fuck is your point? You think the existence of Jews or Judaism has anything to do with how its spelled in the English language?

Or, you know, you could read the thread and see all of what I was talking about.

If you weren't, you know, incredibly lazy.

It's in the 1611 bible.

In case you did not know, the 1611 bible was written in 1611.

So accurate were the prophecies made by Ezekiel that skeptics were forced to suggest a later date for his writings. Yet, such a later date cannot be maintained, and the admission of Ezekiel’s accuracy stands as irrefutable evidence of the prophet’s divine inspiration. With the penetrating gaze that can only be maintained by the Divine, God looked hundreds of years into the future and instructed Ezekiel precisely what to write so that in the centuries following the predictions, the fulfillment of every detail of the prophet’s words could be denied by no honest student of history. “When the word of the prophet comes to pass, the prophet will be known as one whom the Lord has truly sent” (Jeremiah 28:9). Ezekiel’s accurate prophecy adds yet another piece of insurmountable evidence to the fact that “all Scripture is inspired of God” (2 Timothy 3:16).

The Jewish, Christian, and Muslim
Messiah, the Prophet Muhammad

Peace Be Upon Him

>Jerusalem came back into being when the nation of Israel was created
wat?

No, I just think that allowing a city to exist by the same name on the same island hardly renders it "no more" by any stretch of the imagination.

No

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>His acutely accurate representation of the facts remain as outstanding and amazing proof of the divine inspiration behind his message.
this is an unbelievably stupid claim. the levant has been a scene of constant warfare for 5000 years. at any point in time you can confidently predict that every major city in it is gonna get destroyed.

There's no cure for stupid, son.

Then do it. Make a prediction about a city that will be destroyed 700 years from now.

I read it and it still doesn't change the fact that it still exists. Its incredibly mundane to say a strategically valuable city would be attacked or that a given island would be flooded at some point. These are not predictions but over a long enough period bets on sure things.

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There was an early Jewish-Christian group called the Ebionites. They believed Jesus was the biological son of Joseph who was adopted by God. No virgin birth. They were persecuted by Pauline Christianity.

Well that's one thing we can agree on

Do you really think any city from ancient history is still standing by your defition?

All of them

It was never rebuilt and does not exist.

A different city exists.

You are hopelessly stupid.

There is no such thing as "Pauline Christianity", only Christianity.

Wow, such scintillating insight. No city on earth is over 700 years old.

Oh, wait, they totally are. And will continue to be.

So then Tyre just came back into being then. Meaning it exists and isn’t permeantly destroyed. Fundies like you make me glad Christianity is dying off in the West.

kek can’t even agree on their own religion and rules what a bunch of larpers

I don't know enough about the Bible or history to argue with this, but something tells me if this was really such an iron clad argument, you would hear it a lot more often.

>So accurate were the prophecies made by Ezekiel that skeptics were forced to suggest a later date for his writings.
Hmm, and how does the author refute this theory?
>Yet, such a later date cannot be maintained, and the admission of Ezekiel’s accuracy stands as irrefutable evidence of the prophet’s divine inspiration.
Oh, okay then.

I'm pretty sure earth will be inhospitable in the better part of a millenium

t. Paulian

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You would say the same thing if it had never been attacked in the first place. Every single ancient city has been rebuilt because iron age infrastructure just doesn't cut it. Otherwise they've fallen into a state of disrepair. If the island was entirely submerged or all efforts to build a city there were continuously frustrated that would be quite compelling indeed. But part of a small island being flooded and a strategic port in the levant being the subject of various battles isn't the stuff of prophecy anymore than what Francis Fukuyama does