I'm putting here some tips I wish I had read when I 1st started lifting. This is only a complement to sticky. Read the sticky.
A skinny fat beginner always have to make a choice between getting builtfat or getting skinny scrawny before actually getting fit. Yes, body re-composition will happen to some degree, but you got to have priorities (losing fat or building strength base) otherwise you won't get nice results. Lean bulk or cutting only 300 cal/day are memes if you haven't got any muscle on your frame. You can't eat the cake and have it.
I wouldn't recommend going past 20% bf. At 20% bf you won't look fit at all but still will take only some weeks to get around 15% (visible abs under good lightining etc).
If you think you cannot support looking flabby any more, lose fat: > lose weight until you look skeleton (about 12%bf) > you should do some lifting (push-ups, chin-ups, abs, or even Candito LP S/C); but you probably won't progress much > make use of this window to actually learn the lifts/get more flexible > once you get low %bf, do lean bulk while on SS or GSLP startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q-and-a/8177-kethnaab-rippetoe-workout.html > get your lifts to intermediate lv. > switch to bodybuilding routine (PHUL, PPL, whatever) and keep an eye on your diet
Always bear in mind that you should progress on every train, feel better on a day to day basis, but you won't see significant results before 6 months to a 1 year of training (depending on your current fitness and height, mostly). Luckily, noob gains are always noticeable, tho.
Regarding routines: all routines are only as good as your effort in the gym. SS, Keethnabs SS, GSLP, AlphaDestiny's novice program, Candito's LP, ICF 5x5; all these are good programs for a true beginner; they're all very much alike. Reddit PPL isn't bad either, even tho it has lots of frivolous work for a beginner. Just pick one that fits your schedule and stick to it.
Put your max effort every time you hit the gym. This is what really matters.
Focus on the main compounds and getting your lifts up. Do your curls if you want big arms. Disregard youtube channels that every week posts a new meme "best exercise ever for...", "how to build bigger..." etc.
You'll only look like you lift after you stop being a novice; and you'll only stop being a novice once your lifts are respectable. Sure high volume has its place on hypertrophy, but high volume means moving lots of weight per training session; if you're doing 4x10 40kg squats, you're doing bitch weights/high reps - not high volume at all.
Nobody has ever built a big chest lifting 1pl8; nor big shoulders at 30kg OHP; your arms won't look big if you're cheat curling 12kg; your traps won't get big if you deadlift bodyweight only.
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Caleb Fisher
I dont care about your thread, I just love Moose.
Samuel Cox
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Brayden Lopez
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Aaron Wood
I'm fucking lost. I wouldn't say I'm skinny fat, I'm more normal fat (can see bones everywhere, but have beer belly) 1.8m 82kg ish (haven't checked in a long time)
I'm super out of shape, I have lordosis and rounded shoulders. I can't bend over and touch my toes, and I can't lay down on my back and put my hands above my head without lifting my lower back off the ground.
I want to workout, but SS says you shouldn't fuck with the program and add more exercises. Websites and the sticky are telling me to workout xxx muscles, stretch xxx muscles , do this this/that etc
Do I just try to fix my shit first, and then lift in a few months? Or do I do SS with the recommended exercises to fix my shit but don't ramp up the weights. Basically just do the lifts to learn the movement etc.
Ryder Mitchell
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Andrew Collins
Is this a Moose thread?
Jaxson Edwards
Dont overthink everything. Just start lifting, do SS. Godspeed.
Christopher Jones
You guys like some Sophia?
Jace Jenkins
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Adam White
not a cute face.
Parker Foster
God the left picture looks just like my ex. I miss her so much.
Cooper Davis
No, this is a moose thread. Make a Sophia thread if you want.
Jordan Lewis
Apologies.
Jordan Myers
>I'm more normal fat (can see bones everywhere, but have beer belly) >Do I just try to fix my shit first, and then lift in a few months?
Yes, you're perfect for that 2nd case.
Lose weight until you got no beer belly anymore. While losing weight, do push-ups, chin-ups, abs at home, every day through out the day, until you can do good number of clean reps (say, 12 chin-ups, 25 push-ups, 40 hanging leg raises, etc). Most importantly, do the stretching routine on sticky at least once a day every day. (phrakture.github.io/molding-mobility.html)
Once you get lean, join a gym, do a beginner routine and start clean bulking.
Jose Cook
It's cool.
Gabriel Rogers
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Michael Garcia
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James Lee
I wish I could order her shirt.
Joshua Brown
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Zachary Ross
I don't understand nihilism.
Nathan Smith
Why do women ruin themselves with makeup?
Gavin Howard
because it raises their sexual value and makes them feel more special.
Jace Rogers
most nihilists don't either
David Butler
ayyy
Julian Brooks
It's not complicated. It's just the thought that nothing has any objective value. It's all subjective.
The Jews, seriously.
Landon Martinez
Minimal makeup is fine, the clown makeup most girls wear is not.
Angel Young
>Minimal makeup is fine still damages their skin doesnt it?
Ian Russell
Really good advice. Very cool of you OP
Adrian Miller
>20% bf >only some weeks to get around 15%
D E L U S I O N
That would be 2 months.
Brody Gonzalez
>It's all subjective. well that's not much of a belief system
Samuel Lopez
8 weeks are only a few weeks senpai
Owen Rodriguez
Idk, I'm not a girl.
>philosophical thought >belief
Come on, now.
Jayden James
people tote it around like it's a religion whenever they say they're nihilist,
I've never studied it, nor more than one semester of philosophy
Evan Perez
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Tyler Lopez
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Asher Young
Well, it's not. It's the philosophical theory that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. With respect to the universe, existential nihilism posits that a single human or even the entire human species is insignificant, without purpose and unlikely to change in the totality of existence. According to the theory, each individual is an isolated being born into the universe, barred from knowing "why", yet compelled to invent meaning. The inherent meaninglessness of life is largely explored in the philosophical school of existentialism, where one can potentially create their own subjective "meaning" or "purpose".
Elijah Morgan
no?
Wyatt Ross
>tfw will never mire Moose's pectorials
Jonathan White
well it seems about as rock solid as determinism from your paragraph, thanks friend.
>ladypecs
Gavin Johnson
no, tanning damages their skin.
women wear makeup due to social pressure (it is seen as "unprofessional" to NOT wear makeup, and women who wear minimal makeup report being treated better than when they were no makeup). if they could skip it more often without negative consequences, they would.
women wear heavier, more colorful or unnatural makeup because, once you have a skill, it's human nature to want to play around with it.
Noah Reyes
You're welcome, Satan.
Luis Sanders
i'd work her chest out if you know what i mean friends
then why does guys skin look pretty ok when never having worn makeup when women look sick all the time unless they have "minimal" makeup?
Elijah Flores
It better not be what I think it is. Moosefix is not for sexual.
Jeremiah Lewis
>tfw no moosefix for sexual feels bad man
Daniel Moore
>tfw no nerdy gf into lifting and rugby to go to vidya and comic conventions
End it.
Ian Cox
>nerdy nah m8
she's got to be autistic for me to dig it.
Joshua Adams
Not sure about for other ladies, but for me, wearing makeup regularly kills my ability to get a natural face tan so I go from looking slightly tanned to way pale
Bentley Adams
eh Do it the other way than. The only people that will choose the 1st way over the 2nd are lanklets, and they're right about doing it. Skinny lanklets are literally slender men; builtfat lanklets are "big guys" for normie standards.
Damn, haven't seem this one yet.
William Jones
because you literally do not know what women look like due to assuming photoshopped, airbrushed, or made-up is "natural."
Ryder Lopez
She probably is, I mean she played Skyrim to 100% completion.
Tyler Ward
Nah m8, my buddy is an borderline neet and doesn't constantly have bags under his eyes without makeup
>because you literally do not know what women look like
then why do women genetically always have huge puffy bags under their eyes? makeup hasn't been around long enough to hide it and it's unattractive which is why they try to hide it. it should have been bred out of them
James Ortiz
>She probably is, I mean she played Skyrim to 100% completion. hot
Hudson Lopez
that's a man baby
Thomas Gonzalez
Faggot.
Grayson Smith
It's retarded because you're telling someone to get to a relatively high-level in strength and once they're at a certain level, fuck it all off and do some shitty baby weights bb program for roiders? That's straight bonehead talk. Just continue with strength + accessories and cut if you're at a bf% you're not happy with.
Benjamin Taylor
>liking a muscular, clown-faced, video game playing, big cocked tranny
whose the faggy now friend
Wyatt Gonzalez
me I guess
Nathaniel Ward
I haven't had the same experience as you then. Most my lady friend just get slightly less clear skin (due to wearing make up) or end up less tan. Puffy eyes are visible with or without makeup.
Michael Cooper
>not liking a fit, qt who plays vidya
u were the fag all along
Jace Long
Probably because you're not an edge teenager.
Daniel White
>belly I lost 70 pounds and I'm now underweight and I still have it
Hudson Scott
>it's a man baby fugg I would still commit the crime
Nathaniel Rivera
>some shitty baby weights bb program for roiders > PHUL wtf It's literally Power Hypertrophy Upper Lower program. You're doing 3 main lifts 2x a week at least + OHP variations.
PPL is not a specific program, rather just a 3 day split. There are both bb roiders PPL and strength PPL.
Charles Ramirez
oh sorry, I misread
Luis Jenkins
You should've lifted while losing 70lbs, duh. Start lifting asap, and body re-composition will probably do the job for you, if you're really underweight.
David Jones
Does she have an instagram or something? As a bi grill I am rather...intrigued.
Also I need to stop being skinny fat and a lazy git.
James Hernandez
Yeah, probably. Eating at a surplus while lifting will be nice at least
Ryder Evans
kys whore
Ayden Rogers
In all honesty, her face and waist proportions are so cute and feminine that I haven't even noticed those big arms until this thread.
Kayden Martin
I went with the first route and it's definitely harder. Cutting when you're already on a daily weight lifting routine is tricky because it takes a lot of planning to get enough pre-workout food and post-workout protein for lifting without ending up overeating. And for me, not losing weight basically entails being hungry all the time.
Zachary Cox
I wish I could tell all girls two things:
>stop with the clown makeup >fix your fucking posture
Jacob Smith
Nihilism is pretty meh overall
Luis Ross
LONDON O N D O N
Asher Taylor
Very nice user Shame that I've not known this earlier. Well I did SL fot some time unfortunaly had a two month depression time when I barely was going to the gym and now Ihave mediocre stats in lifting. I already started cutting and watch carefully my diet and with the start of april I will change my routine to some split. At least I've gained 5 kg of muscle while only 1,4 of fat so hopefully when I cut it I won't gonna look ao bad
Josiah Cox
Intermittent fasting did wonders for me in this regard of not feeling hungry.
It's actually way easier to cope with this feeling of "I will eat something as soon as I finish this" every morning than the feeling eating portioned meals and not feeling satiated at all.
Justin Wright
you mean intermittent fasting helped you stop being bothered by the feeling of hunger in general, or it helped you lose weight?
I sort of cut intermittently. I usually let myself bulk up to 185 lbs (but gain a little fat along with the muscle), then I cut down to 175 when I start to feel self conscious
Charles Perry
>basing opinions off of a chart made on Veeky Forums
Lmao.
Everything in this picture is shit tier.
Adam Wood
so you're asking an already skinny guy to get even more skinny? That's nonsense
If you have fat and you're skinny, just lift, get those gains then when you're happy or unhappy about your fat just cut
cutting when you have no muscle underneath is stupid
Benjamin King
>intermittent fasting helped you stop being bothered by the feeling of hunger in general this I never had much difficult losing weight bc I'm 6'5, so I have to eat I lot to maintain. Nowadays, I just drink less whole milk or stop drinking it all.
Hudson Scott
no feet pics? what the fuck
Tyler Williams
>I never had much difficult losing weight bc I'm 6'5, so I have to eat I lot to maintain. Nowadays, I just drink less whole milk or stop drinking it all.
I've never found cutting down on fat intake to be helpful. I just cut carbs. A month with no beer (and no other changes to my diet) cuts 5 lbs.
Luis Baker
Yeah, no beer no bread no pasta it's the most effective for me too. When I mentioned cut the whole milk, I mean all the milk, I don't drink skim either...
Jacob Morales
how could I never seen this
Evan Flores
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Gavin Cox
I'm not a footfag but those feet look yummy. Is there any part of her that's not perfect?
Alexander Torres
She's a qt. How does her bf look like? >inb4 her
Oliver Roberts
>I'm not a footfag but those feet look yummy
Levi Wright
Why don't you post what you look like RIGHT THIS MOMENT instead of some silly fucking girl?
you gave us all this advice and nothing to back it up so it's totally disregarded.
Landon Phillips
Because girls are pretty
Brayden Thomas
Do you reckon she bleaches her asshole? What do her toes taste like?
Thomas Hughes
Thanks OP
Wyatt Morris
god i hope not
Anthony Clark
...you cant really be anything else, atheism is on there?
Robert Myers
Enjoy your lack of spirituality turd.
Jose Turner
.> tfw you realize she probably got an regular nerd dyel bf
