Combating baldness

Well the dudes are going bald because they literally have way too much testosterone, so...

Just own it. Dudes trying to hold on to their hair when they're going bald is pathetic.

Not entirely true. There are plenty of herbal treatments that are speculated to *help*, FDA approval is simply based off of a large body of studied evidence to support its efficacy. Drug manufacturers finance these studies in order to gain approval and make bucks. There are not a lot of bucks in the herbal supplement market, conversely.

Research has shown that saw palmetto and pumpkin seed oil have potential, there simply isn't enough there for the FDA to go ahead and give them the stamp of approval and no one is going to care to push for more research until more is known, and at the end of the day nothing that is currently available is going to work as well as finasteride, as it quite simply attacks the source.

But they can still help, for some.

whatever makes you sleep at night ;)

Interesting. Thanks user. So trying to counter the side effects of Finasteride with test would not be feasible then? Since pinning test won't offset the lack of DHT?

That's literally the reason tho. I am just stating facts m8.

I really hate to ask since it was probably an absolute pain to find those studies, but may you link those the ones about pumpkin seed oil and palmetto?

Not really as they're responsible for different things. In fact, guys born with a disorder where they product no DHT still develop natural male strength and size, they just severely lack body hair and their genitals are underdeveloped, which is interesting.

>An example illustrating the significance of DHT for the development of secondary sex characteristics is congenital 5α-reductase type II deficiency. This genetic mutation can result in pseudohermaphroditism.[8] The condition typically presents with underdeveloped male genitalia and prostate. Males with this condition are often raised as girls due to their lack of conspicuous male genitalia.[8] At the onset of puberty, although their DHT levels remain very low,[citation needed] their testosterone levels elevate normally. Their musculature develops like that of other male adults. After puberty, men with this condition have a large deficiency of pubic and body hair and reportedly no incidence of androgenic alopecia (pattern hair loss).[9] They also reportedly have no incidence of prostate cancer.[10]

>PSO

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4017725/

It seems like this may be a new meme but the results are interesting, even stabilizing loss would be great but regrowth is fantastic in the context of hair loss.

>Saw Palmetto

researchgate.net/publication/272396329_The_Evaluation_of_Efficacy_and_Safety_of_Topical_Saw_Palmetto_and_Trichogen_Veg_Complex_for_the_Treatment_of_Androgenetic_Alopecia_in_Men

Saw Palmetto has been used to treat benign prostatic hypoplesia (the same condition finasteride was initially developed for), and seems to work as a DHT blocker, which would put it in the same league as finasteride. However, the question would be whether its effect is significant enough to counter the inevitable progression of the eternal scalp DHT scourge. I would say it heavily depends on the person taking it and how their hair genetics respond to X amount of reduced DHT.

>Turn 26 and hair immediately starts falling out really fast all over the top of my head.
>Hair is extremely dry and brittle looking, basically looks and feels like straw.
>Literally would run my hand through the top of my head and loads would fall out.
>Head is also extremely itchy nearly all the time (nobody tells you that hair loss itches like FUCK)
>Get on Nizoral and give it 3 months to see if it works
>Helps a little (hair feels less dead) but hair still falling out
>Get on Proscar (generic finasteride) and wait 3 months
>Helps a lot (Hair feels less dead again) but hair still falling out
>Get on Rogaine nearly 3 weeks ago.
>Hair almost 100% back to normal and hair loss reduced by a LOT.
>Itchiness reduced by a LOT

Get on all 3 OP. Rogaine comes in a spray form now and is so easy to apply. Spray it 6 times to balding areas on head morning and before you go to sleep, easy as.

I have experienced side effects from Finasteride. Its harder to get hard and I have a longer refactory period (used to be able to have sex again after the first time I came in 20 mins, now its more like an hour and a half).
It's worth it imo, I'd be having a lot less sex without my hair.

Even if you do get major side effects OP, the patents on cialis (ED drug) runs out in November so it'll be cheap asj fuck.

Lmao, no. They're going bald because they have shit genetics.

Arnold, Frank Zane, Lou, Stallone, etc roided like mules for decades and never went bald.

All of the people you've listed are experiencing hair loss now.

They were exceptional

One of the first concerns your average lifter has to consider when hopping on gear is whether they're prepared to deal with the high possibility of hair loss thanks to elevated DHT

if you had none or little of it it wouldn't be a problem, like for women and cucks

>70-year-olds are losing hair
Shocking.

>They were exceptional

No, they're not. I've been roiding since 2013 and I haven't experienced any hair losst. My hair is over shoulder lenght literally thicker than most girls I know. It's genes, mate, and you have bad ones.

>girls will inject silicone into their body
>guys will lift weight up and down like robots to look better
all these million dollar industries to look better, how foolish haha

I'm actually not going bald. I am willing to post a pic of myself to prove it if you post yours. I don't doubt your claim, but I haven't seen many bodybuilders who haven't experienced some hairloss when roiding. Even arnie started losing hair in his prime. Pic related.

All of those guys obviously had hair work done and were using drugs to combat the hair loss.

Arnold wasn't going bald, that's a normal hairline for a man in his late 20s. It never receded until he hit his 60s.

Anyway, here's mine.

>these hairlet delusions

i hate this shit genes argument. hair has no evolutionary purpose and there are hundreds of more important things like chance of dying in a disase or intelligence for example. yet the only time i ever hear people talking about their good genetics is balding threads. its sad

>man-bun
its not 2014 anymore you crafted beer drinking faggot

> hair has no evolutionary purpose

It literally protects your scalp against the elements and the sun. That's why hair gets thicker in the Summer. Hair is also obviously important in attracting mating partners as it's a sign of health, youth, and virility.

o shit I think I know who you are. Do you go to UT Austin?

>mad baldfag

Do you know how much pussy that manbun gets you? And it's comfy, too.

No, I'm not an American. And I doubt I'm the only guy with a manbun on Veeky Forums.

Seems like chimps are the superior species then, what with their hair everywhere

>yfw you realize non-baldies are subhuman

Chimps don't wear clothes, champ.

Never leave the house

Become the ultimate NEET

Have you heard of hats bubbers?

>wearing a hat constantly

Enjoy your headaches.

Their bodies probably upped the estrogen after injecting steroids, protecting them from hair loss

>feels bald man

>wearing clothes constantly

can't afford home heating?

you must be swimming in pussy if you trying to show off your superior genetics on a mongolian cartoon forum in a balding thread

and even if it was true, manbuns are aesthetically shit. just because basic bitches wear uggs it does not make them look great

>It literally protects your scalp against the elements and the sun.

so if you live in california youre genetically inferior to black people?

>That's why hair gets thicker in the Summer.

superior genetics guy being retarded, what a surprise. it does not get thicker, the very small difference (is there is) has more to do with uv and different environment than actual evolutionary purpose.

>Hair is also obviously important in attracting mating partners
needing approval for sex is a very young thing in a scale of human evolution, and even culture.

>it's a sign of health, youth, and virility.

it doesnt reflect your health, so no.

>estrogen
>protecting against anything
>not just giving you gyno

Retard.

>not wearing clothes
Do you live in Africa or something?

I'm not showing off anything, I just came to correct that one retard who thought balding is caused by test.

>manbuns are aesthetically shit
I thought so too, until I got one.

>basic bitches
Buzzwords from bitter ugly people. If something is popular it's because people like it and consider it aesthetic.

>so if you live in california youre genetically inferior to black people?

No one is ever genetically inferior to blacks. Though darker skin is helpful against the sun, yes.

>it does not get thicker
>The researchers found that the maximum amount of shedding of hair (telogen) occurred in October and the least was in June. This would indicate that hair growth is at its fullest in the spring to beginning of summer then shedding occurs throughout the summer and peak shedding is in the fall.

>needing approval for sex is a very young thing in a scale of human evolution, and even culture.
Yeah, sure. I'll just bet you're an anthropologist.

>it doesnt reflect your health,
Tell that to cancer patients, retard.

>I'm not showing off anything, I just came to correct that one retard who thought balding is caused by test.

its connected. technically, there only difference between a mature and receding hairline is the pace of it. almost every men is balding because more or less, because our follicles can die to dht, something that gets converted from T.
some people are just more tolerant to dht. but in general, more T -> more dht > bigger chance of receding.

>I thought so too, until I got one.

its still shit you narcisstic faggot, you having one does not chance anything

>Buzzwords from bitter ugly people.

ask people who work in the fashion industry, what they think of you bun then.

>If something is popular it's because people like it and consider it aesthetic.
>implying the average taste in everything is not shit
guess h&m and zara sells quality shirts then

>Though darker skin is helpful against the sun, yes.

so why arent they genetically superior? having genetics traits that are helpful against the sun only matter to a point where you stand? are you 14?

>literally too dumb to use google
>Conclusion: There is no direct link between warmer weather and increased hair growth. Hair lightened by the sun may give the illusion that hair is growing faster.
huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/hair-grows-faster-summer_n_1671907.html

>Yeah, sure. I'll just bet you're an anthropologist.

my point is that evolution and genetics does not give a shit about your hairline because its something that is completely judged by the society alone.

>Tell that to cancer patients, retard.

baiting or youre actually just dumb at this point? cancer patients lose their hair for a different reason and can even grow it back if they survive the treatments. havent you seen 50 year old homeless drug addicts with full head of hair? guess theyre healthy then

> between a mature and receding hairline is the pace of it
Not really. My dad is 50 and his hairline is the same as it was when he was 20. It's genetics.

>its still shit
>muh contrarian opinion

>ask a bunch of homos who design clothes nobody wears
No, thanks.

>implying the average taste in everything is not shit
Kek, fuck off, hipster.

>Do you live in Africa or something?

Sounds like you can't logically follow the counter-argument. Your "head burning" stuff is worst case scenario shit just like walking around naked in the sun. It isn't a factor of modern society

>has the ultimate crafted beer drinking "my wife's son" haircut
>calls others hipster

kek, you have zero self-awareness you pleb faggot

>Not really. My dad is 50 and his hairline is the same as it was when he was 20. It's genetics.

the pace of the receiding is genetics. it can happen everytime and can go from 0 to 100 in a few months.

>muh contrarian opinion
its not even a contratian option, man-bun is a faggot trend everyone picked up a few years ago. literally the emo of the 2010s

>so why arent they genetically superior
Lower IQs on average for starters. Also, whites evolved in places with less sunlight, so pale skin was beneficial to produce more vitamin D.

>There is no direct link between warmer weather and increased hair growth.
It's almost like I didn't even mention the temperature. It's about sun light.
>livestrong.com/article/106355-during-season-human-hair-grow/
>Hormones released in the body during the summer season can increase the rate of growth.

>evolution and genetics does not give a shit about your hairline
>Sexual attraction is irrelevant to evolution and genetics.
Kek, you're delusional at this point.

>havent you seen 50 year old homeless drug addicts with full head of hair? guess theyre healthy then
I guess we're gonna pretend things like stress and illness haven't been proven to cause hair loss, huh?