Veeky Forums Book Thread: Roman Edition

Full title is "The Other Battleground: The Home Fronts, Britain, France and Germany 1914-1918", forgot to add.

I've been seeing that lately, so I will add it. I think my chart is as close to a start on a WWI chart if anyone wants to create it in the future. The reason I started the chart originally was because of my interest in WWI and getting recommendations on Veeky Forums from many previous threads before they got organized like they are now. Despite memes, many books recommended on Veeky Forums have been on point and excellent.

Havent tead em desu. Iirc mazower book has gotten good press here tho

Finished reading pic related. Any anons have an opinion on it? He seemed honest about his bias but I felt like he was overly hostile towards the church in the middle section.

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I'd say create a seperate section or make US/Mexico history into US/Foreign history. "Isolationism in America 1935-41" by Manfred Jonas, this one's a bit expensive. The book focuses on the different kinds of isolationists that were active in the United States and how isolationism in America progressed over time.

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This one is kinda shitty IMO, but I’m too lazy to fix it or update it

I've been thinking that Latin American history can be made it's own topic once I get more books to add, but with what I have now, the topics kinda relate to an extent. Obviously US History is too broad a topic for one chart to handle.

We should make a separate chart on mexican american war entirely imo

What would you recommend as a general introduction to southeast asia? I know basically nothing about the region.

Any good reads about leafland?

If you're an old-school Anglo-Canadian nationalist, you'll tear up through this one.

I'd say an entire section on U.S foreign policy in the Americas in general (including Mexican-American war ofc), a lot of shit went down in in the 19th-early 20th century there.

Pierre Berton wrote a very dense series of tomes which chronicle Canadian history, more or less by era. I would recommend looking through them. Some are more interesting than others depending on what you like, but all cover important topics.

Yea thatd be great

guys, Im making a list about the American Revolution, please give me feed back
heres what I have so far
>Angel in the Whirlwing by Benson Bobrick
>The Men who Lost America by Andrew OShaughnessy
>Whirlwing by John Ferling
>1776 by David Mccullough
>The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution
>Almost a Miracle by John Ferling
>Scars of Independence by Holger Hock
>The Glorious Cause by Robert Middlekauff
>Common Sense by Thomas Paine

Feel free to add my mega on Mesoamerica

mega.nz/#F!msA0Xb5Y!1t9OYAkkx0PUG8haYYiITw

Are any of Ron Chernow's works good? I know of his Hamilton and Washington biographies.

I am also gonna put David Mcullough's "John Adams" bio, because David is an excellent pop historian

I also have one on Moundbuilders/Mississippians of North America

mega.nz/#F!GwolDKTS!YeQjR65-xy1WCItk-A90dA

awesome, will do

thnx for recs

A list for a Byzaboo?

Here, retard

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read that, felt like an expert after that

is a good book

Any good books on masculinity, becoming a better person, and getting to work/owning your shit?

unironically 12 rules for life by jordan peterson

Why aren't there any contemporary sources on Roman Veeky Forums charts? Not to be rude, but apart from the one in the OP, I rarely see them.

As the guy who made the Roman and Byzantine beginner charts, I don't find it particularly helpful to give a newbie a primary source. Without understanding context, the primary source is limited in its usefulness to a new reader. Names and dates will come in a flurry, and without understanding timelines or events, its a bit crazy. I like reading primary sources, but its a challenge to assign Tacitus to a untrained reader and expect him to make an interesting interpretation of Roman history during the Julio-Claudian Dynasty.

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Any opinions on the UNESCO General History of Africa? I'm downloading them to add to my world history stash but I don't know if there's a better material on Africa

I know this book gets shit on a bit, but I'm about halfway through reading it and I like it quite a bit. It's one of the few books I've read to compare early Roman mythology to actual archaeological evidence, and does a good job talking a little about how events affected the lives of everyday Romans without getting bogged down in minute details.

Because contemporary sources are generally far easier to deal with once you have a solid foundation.
t.finding that out myself right now

What am I in for, lads?

reminder that mary beard defended pic related and said America deserved 9/11 just weeks after it happened. she is a typical old western socialist hag and nothing more than a propaganda tool on the BBC now.

she is in the same league as other hack propagandist like David Irving as far as Im concerned

I've never gotten a good book out of these threads on precolonial Africa

Does anyone have a legit book covering McCarthy?

I know enough to know he was right, but I don't have it memorized

>David Irving
How is he a hack propagandist? I've seen some of his book recommended, just curious.

Just finished this today. I've decided that this is the last book that I'm reading on WW2, at least for 2018. Not that I didn't like it, I just think it is time to read about other things, maybe go back to the Romans. Anyway, it was a very good book, I learned a ton. It's packed with lots of interesting stories from the POV of people on the ground, whether they be communist guerillas, Japanese housewives, American marines, Chinese nationalists, British colonial troops, Russian paratroopers. These excerpts add a lot of flavor to events that we usually read about in distant terms.

My only complaint is that the author does get a little preachy during the final chapter, where he goes a mild rant about how Japan has never paid a single dollar in reparations, nor has Japan ever admitted guilt for anything that happened during the war. He says that leaving Hirohito on the throne was a huge mistake, because it implied that Japan was blameless, and that he instead should have been executed to avenge the victims of Japanese imperialism.

thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/15223-the-real-mccarthy-record

It's not really about him, but he plays an important background role in this book.

Currently reading

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I can't decide if Brands is good or pop history garbage

One of the best books I've ever read

no takers?

Thoughts on pic related?

A lot of yiffin

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any books on the tudors/stuarts that you guys recommend?

Are there books about SWAT or specialized units in law enforcement or even in the military?

I got a little interested after reading about the SAS.

what's you guys' opinion on jj norwich?

The tudors by richard rex is great intro imo

Who?

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British and Indian history?

Fabricating history for his political agenda, much like Beard.

>Fabricating history
Examples? Forgive me for not just taking the word of some random user on Veeky Forums, friend.

How to start with the Big Bang, and what is the next, and the next if i want to go from there to the human history?

Think you're better off going to Veeky Forums for that. But when you get back to humans, look at the "start with" and "resume with" charts posted here.

No, Veeky Forums is no the place for that. They hate the “pop-sci". They want people to study calculus, linear algebra, and shit and shit until theorical physics so now you can study cosmology (Big Bang).

But hey! Thanks

learning deep history isn't "pop-sci"

Use that term of "deep history" and you might get some good results.

I don't know the details off the top of my head unfortunately, but he's a "reformed" holocaust denier from what I've heard who still largely believes a lot of the bullshit he pushed. He's retarded enough to have lost a couple court cases relating to holocaust denial in which the courts did a pretty nice job at tearing apart his works as pseudohistorical.

Outside of that, he did have several works predating his holocaust denial phase, but they tend to be a bit sympathetic to Hitler and the Nazis. That's not necessarily a bad thing if done correctly, but the fact that Irving's been proven to regularly omit facts and fabricate evidence to push some retarded agenda makes his other works throw up quite a few red flags.

He's kind of like Russia Today or pretty much any social media-based political news source. Sure, they might be telling the truth, but they've got such a poor track record that they could tell me the sky was blue and I'd want several more corroborating outside sources before I believe it.

Thank you.

I can easily see the "omitting facts" being a problem, but I don't know his side of holocaust denial.

I will say this tho, from what I've seen about holocaust denial, it deserves a second look from several independent investigators. The fact that it's illegal to question in it some countries has always been a huge red flag for me. It's like 9/11, there's JUST enough evidence to earn a second and third look.

>but I don't know his side of holocaust denial
Just a quick search brings up this:
hdot.org/trial-materials/trial-transcripts/

Let's not turn this into a holocaust denial thread please, but the transcripts from the trial referenced in that link tend to be thrown around a lot whenever someone tries to argue that Irving is anything close to reputable. He ranges from merely omitting contrary evidence to outright making up quotes in the works that are disputed in the trial.

Regardless of your opinion on the veracity of the holocaust (again, let's not start that) or whether your agree with the denial laws, Irving was demonstrated to be a fraud and a shitty historian.

meh, fair enough. Cheers.

What is a good English translation of the Quran?

One that also has annotations/notes that help with studying and understanding the text

Anybody read this? Is it good?

This is a good book. I will make a few points - the English translation is kind of King James-y and the annotations deal primarily with how Muslim scholarship has interpreted the text, rather than historical-critical scholarship (which I believe there isn't honestly that much of for the Qur'an). Also, the commentary leans a little harder on Sufi teachings than others, because of the editors, if that means anything.

If that's the one I'm thinking of, I hear it has very mixed reviews, so I've stayed away from it. Haven't read it myself so I can't say for sure,

What do i need to read about prehistory and early culture to resum with this chart

Any MEGA files or lists about the history of geographical exploration?

How in-depth are you looking? Most dawn-of-civilization history books touch on the Neolithic period as well to explain how civilization started in the first place.

History of political parties in the US?

thanks, will look into it

Any recommendation would be useful, but remember, to resume with that chart

Which of these should I get for a good read on the history of Western Rome's fall/collapse?

I'd say go with all 3 if you can afford it, but priority wise I'd probably go with ward Perkins.

Anybody got anything on precolonial Africa also on history of labor movement that isn't a Marxist interpretation. In b4 People's History of US

>Precolonial Africa

The Fortunes of Africa: A 5,000-Year History of Wealth, Greed, and Endeavor by Martin Meredith
Although it's fairly Eurocentric and obviously skewed towards the colonial period, it's a good intro to African history.

Are there any good books on ancient Egypt?
I don't give a shit if it's pop history, I just feel I should learn about them.

recommends books for Egypt

The Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt by Toby Wilkinson

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AHHHHHHHHHHH THERE'S TOO MUCH STUFF TO READ AND TOO LITTLE TIME