Japan, up until that point, was unconquered. They went to war with the Mongolian/British hordes in their prime and easily shredded them. Portugal was one of the largest powers in the 17th century and they shit themselves at the prospect of invading Japan. China (Ming/Qing) never even attempted to land on their shores and when Japan took the fight to them it was completely one sided.
How come occupying one of the most powerful Asian nations in existence is so untalked about on Veeky Forums?
Retard. Unironically greatest Asian nation in history (if not greatest then atleast the elite)
Carson Sanchez
Yes, Japan was very powerful relative to other countries in Asia. But compared to the United States? No. Japan never had any chance of beating the United States in this war. American victory was never in doubt, the only question was how long it would take.
Jack Martin
>Yes, Japan was very powerful relative to other countries in Asia Did you even read the wiki? They never fought other Asians.
Nicholas Reyes
Given that's the case, why did the Japs chimp out and bomb Pearl Harbor? Shouldn't they have left America alone, if American victory was assured?
Adrian Miller
What
Isaiah White
The Japanese were pretty much forced to attack the US since they are about to cut off their oil. If I'm not mistaken the Japanese were planning on the US quickly giving up, and not hardcore raping them
Wyatt Bailey
Because they figured that if they kept up their expansion, which they needed to do to acquire the resources they needed, they would eventually tweak America’s nose enough to trigger aggression.
Wyatt Martin
They fought against the Dutch and British in the East Indies, not native East Indies people.
Thomas Thompson
Japan's military record when fighting other countries is probably the shortest in all of Asia. Other Asian countries have much longer military records when it comes to fighting other countries. So it's not exactly a fair comparison. It's like being undefeated at 10-0 versus someone who has a record of 48-30.
Hunter Morales
How about China? How about the Philipines? Etc. etc.
What are you even doing on this board?
Matthew Hernandez
Japan wasn’t undefeated though. It’s pretty clear that the original inhabitants of Japan were conquered by proto-Koreans, and Japan failed to achieve its objective during Hideyoshi’s invasion of Korea so that counts as a loss as well (like the US in ‘Nam).
Ian Morgan
That's like saying Britain would have been without a doubt conquered if a strait of land connected Calais and Dover. It's just a dumb piece of alternate history that doesn't mean anything
Ethan Turner
Not him, but there was an actual case where a group of Chinese workers tried to sue a Japanese corporation for using slave labor during WW2. The lawyer for the corporation made a statement saying that Japan never invaded China at all. They've mastered the art of dindu nuffin.
Landon Wright
>mastered the art of dindu nuffin You got that right. Look at this dude's face.
Oliver Sullivan
calling them proto-koreans is disingenuous
Ethan Carter
Are you seriously implying nips would have stood a chance against steppeniggers?
Isaac Hill
>disingenuous
Lucas Roberts
>Japan wasn’t undefeated though. It’s pretty clear that the original inhabitants of Japan were conquered by proto-Koreans What a dumb post. Nippon = the mixing of those two people. Jomons and proto-Koreans are not Japanese if you get my drift. Yes. Japan is seriously underrated as a civilization. >en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan
Josiah Perez
Because most of the high command were ridiculously delusional. The Japs had a good war record earlier in the century, but the choice to pick a fight with the USA shows that they thought they were some kind of underdog Shonen hero.
Kevin Jones
>2 invasions by the Mongols
meanwhile other countries dealt with like 5-10
Dominic Perry
Japan was regularly humiliated by the Western powers in the 19th century
No. The Vietnamese BTFO the steppeniggers though, sent them packing.
Matthew Perry
>They went to war with the Mongolian/British hordes in their prime and easily shredded them >Portugal shit themselves at the prospect of invading Japan >China (Ming/Qing) never even attempted to land on their shores and when Japan took the fight to them it was completely one sided >Japan the most powerful Asian nation
Imagine being this deluded as a weeb...
Nolan Ortiz
Japan was only powerful after Meiji Restoration at 19th century. Before it, they couldn't even conquer Korea during their "prime" in 16th century, you may argue that's due to China's intervened but then it proves my point again, they're not as "powerful" as you imagine. Ming China was already in decline in 16th century before Japan invaded Korea, but Japs still can't really defeat and replace China's power projection.
Ayden Phillips
>Japan is seriously underrated as a civilization. Actually it's often overly overrated here since this is a weebsite. Just like what OP did now.
Jose Morris
Oh boy lets go through the list >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shimonoseki_Straits >Yamato side has more people in one ship >retard think it's strange that they have a higher loss of life when one shrinks
>Before it, they couldn't even conquer Korea during their "prime" in 16th century They BTFO'd the gooks in less then a month They just had some problems with food being burned due to sabotage from the opposition and they stagnated for a bit, of which Toyotomi eventually died so they abandoned the campaign.
They never actually lost because they were pushed back.
>you may argue that's due to China's intervened China intervened but they fell because of eternal problems. They would have BTFO'd the Mings.
That's because of dirty jungle asian style guerilla warfare. Not because they 'btfo' them.
>a high level of discourse is expected
Christopher Stewart
Well that's kind of the problem when you're shit at naval anything and decide to sail out into a typhoon
I mean the Japs were constantly being fire bombed and then had two of the most powerful bombs made up to that point dropped on them, Japan lost because literally no one could compete with the production of the u.s, so it's completely unsurprising that the u.s conquered them, what is surprising is how long they lasted against the u.s's massive production capacity and seemingly endless moral in ww2
Juan Powell
the most impressive feat in history was the death of Ögedei. This not only saved Europe's ass, splintered the Mongols even more and didn't allow help to the Ilkhanate vs the Mamluks.
We'd be living in a yurt today if not for that guy's death
Elijah Foster
You mean the Australian conquest of japan.
Thomas Hernandez
Yurts seem like they would be comfy as fuck though
Luis Edwards
Almost young Japanese people think Empire of Japan was a cruel and stupid nation
Tyler Wood
>That's because of dirty jungle asian style guerilla warfare. you can call it dirty all you want but it still counts, as long as its effective is all that matters
Connor Brooks
The Japanese leadership allowed themselves to be deluded by their relative strength compared to other Asian countries.