What's the history behind the American pledge of allegiance?
To me as a Eurofag it seems quite fascist to be forced to pledge allegiance to the flag in school before you even know what pledging allegiance means. Is that how America brainwashes and breeds the next generation of cannon fodder?
>The Pledge of Allegiance, as it exists in its current form, was composed in August 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist,[11][12] and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898). >Socialists
AMERICA CONFIRMED FOR UNITED SOVIET STATES.
Adrian Bell
>To me as a Eurofag it seems quite fascist to be forced to pledge allegiance I have a theory that deep down, every european is secretly jealous at how loud and proud american are about being americans, and they wish they could do that themselves, but the post war political atmosphere makes that not only socially unacceptable, but on the same level as nazis.
William Campbell
>every european is secretly jealous at how loud and proud american are about being americans, and they wish they could do that themselves, but the post war political atmosphere makes that not only socially unacceptable, but on the same level as nazis. Meanwhile, in the United States.
Jose Johnson
>forced to pledge allegiance But that's wrong tho
Lucas Walker
Basically, American nationalism was at a low ebb by the 1890s, and people were shitting themselves about immigrants. Some Christian socialist invented this pledge to brainwash kids into being patriots (we didn't have an official national anthem until the early 20th century). It was officially recognized by Congress in 1942 (during the war) but the following year the SCOTUS ruled that making id mandatory was unconstitutional. In 1954, they added the "Under God" part to #btfo communism.
Brandon Baker
the only people i've ever met who had a problem with it were pinko yuroboos. the intention is undoubtedly to "brainwash" but nationalism is everywhere in the US so kids are conditioned to be loyal to the flag before they even reach school
Jordan Cook
Its called having pride in your nation and being loyal to it. What? Do you not love your nation or something? You mean to tell me you can't take 10 seconds of your time to pledge your allegiance to your nation and then go on about your day? You don't deserve to live in your country.
Charles Walker
>Respecting your country is a shameful thing in E*rope.
...and their ideas of having a repeated pledges... and the Italians Fascist took their own name from a Roman symbol that Americans had restarted the the use of and had already did had done the hard work of say why that symbol had meant in a modern world.
European Fascist are just third rate copy cats of American political culture from the early 20th century. Look into the early history of their movements and you will find that out.
Tyler Perry
Americans are allowed to homeschool as far as I know, so it really doesn't matter to me. They can choose not to send their kids to public schools were allegiance is pledged to a flag. I don't have this choice in my country (germany). I'd rather have an education system that makes people talk to a flag than a system that does not allow me to educate my own child, and even criminalizes me for suggesting that the state should not have the absolute monopoly on education
Blake Brown
Cant wait, military parades are awesome.
Christian Phillips
its there to instill patriotism and basically remind people where they live. no idea how it started, but there have been a ton of different versions of it over time.
Landon Foster
>Nazis took their salute from the boy scouts... No, like with the Italians it was based on the Roman salute, as interpreted by an 18th century French painter.
Connor Campbell
they respected their country once
millions died
Angel Hughes
we pledged our alliegance to our country long before euros thought of their disastrous fasctist socialist states, stop obsessing over us
why don't you bother the Norwegians over their nationalism
Aiden Hall
We have this in my country too, you usually take it around 10 IIRC, but it's not mandatory.
Blake Phillips
You can respect your country without making world wars, Hans.
Cooper Russell
ha you'll see
Andrew Jenkins
It's sad that the descendants of Hitler's victims (Western Europeans especially) are smeared with collective guilt for Nazism's crimes.
Nationalism is equated with Nazism, even though it could be argued that nationalism (of the varied allied nations) that defeated Nazism.
The Russians don't fall for this -- they refer to WWII as the "Great Patriotic War".
Andrew Hall
Do other states not have pledges?
t. Texan
Camden Garcia
I'm not from the US, but schools here also make you pledge alliance to the nation, only twice tho, not every single day like the burgers.
Camden Smith
when I was a kid I used to say "Hail Satan" at the end of the pledge
Asher Foster
it's actually illegal to *require* a student to say the pledge. (I'll agree that there is still an unsettling blindly nationalistic element to masses of school children doing it even if it's technically non compulsory, but that's not my point.)
>If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.
>"Words uttered under coercion are proof of loyalty to nothing but self-interest," wrote Black and Douglas in a concurring opinion. "Love of country must spring from willing hearts and free minds, inspired by a fair administration of wise laws enacted by the people's elected representatives within the bounds of express constitutional prohibitions."