Wtf is Fascism tho?

Worship of the state instead of God
No freedom outside of what the current leader dictates.
economics and social issues are basically whatever the leader feels like doing.

It's very much a monarchy in the modern day but with no sense of God or personal religions allowed; aka shit

Isn't it a mix of God and State though?
I thought Hitler was religious (though Mussolini was an atheist and used the Catholic Church)

It literally means "faggotry"

my understanding is that it literally is "national socialism"
socialism with a heavy emphasis on the supremacy of the state and die-hard nationalism. i guess it differs from communism because there's no stateless endgame involved.

Hitler was agnostic/a deist but he wasn't Christian. Hitler's inner circle was all agnostics and neo-pagans, the Nazi regime killed and harrassed thousands of clergymen and they came up with Positive Christianity to subvert it and phase it out either into paganism or worship of the German state

>Worship of the state instead of God
>No freedom outside of what the current leader dictates.
>economics and social issues are basically whatever the leader feels like doing.
This is what the amerimutt actually believes.

fpbp

>But what does someone mean when they say "I support fascism"?
It's fine, they don't know it either.
Paxton's Anatomy of Fascism is very good with the conditions fascism was formed under and the practical ways it manifested.

Kekekek
>an ideology named after swordfighters

I thought Hitler was catholic?

Fascism is the violent entrenchment of various social or economic hierarchies at the expense of democracy, usually in response to a real or imagined threat against these hierarchies.

>privilege
Let me guess, you're a nonbinary, genderqueer, transexual person of color?

>rudimentary familiarity with history due to the Hitler Channel

Have you ever watched the History Channel? I have never seen a WW2 special on there that did not portray The Third Reich as the embodiment of Satan himself and everybody else as humanity's saviors.

>I'd actually be put down for being autistic

That's why Germany had a plethora of very extensive social services and safety nets for the disabled.

Looks like you have no idea what you're talking about.

>priviliges
first time i can unironically say stopped reading right there

>Let me guess, you're a nonbinary, genderqueer, transexual person of color?
The irony in being absolutely triggered by a single word that prompts a litany of buzz-terms that pop up in your head to describe people you consider sensitive and hypersensitive.
>Have you ever watched the History Channel? I have never seen a WW2 special on there that did not portray The Third Reich as the embodiment of Satan himself and everybody else as humanity's saviors.
Yes I've watched the History Channel you fucking idiot. Hitler docs and programming don't have to be a celebration of Nazi Germany to inspire brainlet history-buffs predominantly educated by wikipedia articles, such as yourself, for people that outwardly proclaim themselves as a counter-culture movement.
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That's why Germany had a plethora of very extensive social services and safety nets for the disabled.
Wow! Nazi Germany was actually a very altruistic nation? I guess you learn something new everyday.

Declining capitalism that tries to remain power using the middle class against the proletariat-Leon Trotsky

Great argument, brainlet. I see you are unable to refute my points.

>Wow! Nazi Germany was actually a very altruistic nation? I guess you learn something new everyday.

Glad I could help.

What points even existed? I didn't refute your point that you guessed I'm a nonbinary genderqueer transexual poc?

>But what does someone mean when they say "I support fascism"?
That they want to get cucked on a societal level.

Are you done being emotional? Or are you going to provide evidence for the claims in such as:
>the History Channel would lead someone to support fascism
>an autistic person would be "put down" under the Third Reich

I left all of the evidence for my satirical claims in pic related.

Retards believe otherwise you sperg

>I'm not fascist at all
That's something a fascist would say

Yeah man everybody knows Venezuela is a fascist state

Doubt it.

The base of italian fascism is actually absolute freedom for all, but with the edgy twist that the world is an eternal war and might makes right.

It follows that, since anyone can do anything, people will eventually have to trample over rights of others, and fascism actually encourages that right to be free and therefore forced to take away freedom from others. Problem is that that freedom is also extended to others, and you'll be trampled over if you don't have what it takes to hold your ground.

It follows from that might makes right world that people unite, since no matter how strong an enemy can be in his pursuit of freedom, the masses will always be stronger. So fascism promotes the nationalistic union of the masses, whilst keeping a promise of no compromises in terms of individual freedom.

It also has a very very strong emotional component which is unironically based on feelings and is really hard to explain in a simple post, you'd had to get the general idea from reading stuff like the Futurist Manifesto, or Mussolini's writings. It has to do with expansion, joy, strength, power, glory, shouting out loud and being happy with who you are.

You were wrong.

where can I read more about this?

When you explain it that way it wrong I unironically see nothing wrong with this or am I just an edgelord

the problem with fascism is you have multiple fascisms (arguably) to choose from, each with their own little spin on it
then, that spin gets knocked off its rockers by the fact fascism has achieve buzzwords status, and is applied to any form of right-wing authoritarianism
Italian Fascism is your best bet for 'authentic' fascism, and it basically means nationalism + militarism + state socialism + totalitarianism (as in the state is a part of every facet of society). there's also corporatism, which is NOT CORPORATIONS (in the financial sense) RUNNING EVERYTHING but 'organs of the social body', as in society is split into functional segments which collaborate in national interest. class collaboration > class struggle.

>privilege is a bad thing

good conditioning, pleb, but noblesse oblige

>italian fascism is ancap with pre-emptive NAP violations and yelling about your manly feelings in italian
>mfw

>The base of italian fascism is actually absolute freedom for all, but with the edgy twist that the world is an eternal war and might makes right.
To me that makes it "power for all" instead of "freedom for all."
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It follows that, since anyone can do anything, people will eventually have to trample over rights of others, and fascism actually encourages that right to be free and therefore forced to take away freedom from others. Problem is that that freedom is also extended to others, and you'll be trampled over if you don't have what it takes to hold your ground.
Pretty sure the state still stepped in to stop people from "trampling over the rights of others" in fascist italy.
>It follows from that might makes right world that people unite, since no matter how strong an enemy can be in his pursuit of freedom, the masses will always be stronger.
Unless your enemy IS the masses oWo
>So fascism promotes the nationalistic union of the masses
I certainly agree with this
>whilst keeping a promise of no compromises in terms of individual freedom.
this is largely bullshit, the state is supreme, not the individual. If the individual goes against the state, he's fucked; that's not absolute freedom.
>It also has a very very strong emotional component which is unironically based on feelings and is really hard to explain in a simple post, you'd had to get the general idea from reading stuff like the Futurist Manifesto, or Mussolini's writings.
I'd still say the core of fascism is the Will to Power though, and the unity that's created is based on unifying for strength.
>It has to do with expansion
I agree
>joy... shouting out loud and being happy with who you are
tentative agreement, I'd say it's more about an affirmation of life; my issue with fascism is that it does not give a purpose behind that affirmation, see pic related
>strength, power, glory
Will to Power, yes, I agree.

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everything you need to know about Fascism

No, you just 'feel' like you should disagree with those tenets because you have had propaganda forced upon you from a young age.

Scandinavian nanny states are pretty much Fascist nations economically.

>implying

Holy fucking shit what a bunch of easily triggered faggots.

Not even that guy but he is obviously referring to the perks of being an American or western European citizen. Nothing to do with fucking social justice.

Lol someone says your trigger words and you faggot snowflakes lose it. The irony of it all is too much.

Class collaboration + totalitarianism + nationalism

They believe in authoritarian social and governmental measures to force everyone to sacrifice for the state and people. It's not fascism without the social part, you need more than a fascist government for it to actually be fascism.

>What is a fascism
An authoritarian ideology that views unity and class cooperation as the primary objective of the state. This doesn't necessarily mean one establishes a dictatorship (as you can you wig through Spanish Falange) but usually it centers around one or a few key figureheads which represent national unity and a rejection of (most) egalitarian ideals.

A lot of it stems from a mixture between national syndicalist, integralist, and reactionary ideals

A kneejerk reaction to democracies from the 1900s wave of nationalism that was still set in monarchist ideas.

By creating a demagoguic community where members become dependent on approval by other fascist will attemp to impose their leader in a dictatorship, either through a coup de etat or by getting elected then changing the constitution.

The leader defines everything. Policy, economy, diplomacy, etc. There is no set ideology in fascism other than remaining in power. All the tall about nationalism, unity, fighting for the people, etc are judt sweet lies meant to keep people engaged. The one thing all fascism had in common was investing ridiculous amounts of money in welfare and social programs, in order to keep high approval ratings and keep the facist community loyal.

The entire thing is basically concentrated us vs them. The whole justification the movement uses is defeated un invisible enemy that is really defined as "anything the leader doesn't like"

In short, the sleazebag's ideology.

After people realized democracy was here to stay, fascist mutated into a pirely democratic form we now know as populism. Like a famous gringo said "fascism will come to america and it will be called anti fascism"

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ur like antifa. Just anti-edgy. You think you are better than them but really you are just the same.

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It is. ask any south american and they'll say it's facism.

>But what does someone mean when they say "I support fascism"?
It means they should be ignored or put down like a mad dog.

Antifa is actually fighting ISIS in Syria. I've never heard of a dorito Nazi doing anything to oppose radical Islam except voting for Trump.

independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/lgbt-syria-isis-fight-rights-anarchists-queer-insurrection-islamic-state-a7859756.html?amp

>the perks of being American
Getting shot on the regular and paying hundreds of thousands to treat the bullet wound?

syria is a fascist state

South American here, it's communism.

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>How to say nothing with very long sentences: the post
The sheer amount of delusion...

>They are all just liars and sleezebags , unlike in our rich harmonious democracies based on only the finest of moral standards where such things do not exist
>They invest money in people to try and improve relations between the state and the people, like who does that? Satan. That's who.
>There is no enemy in any of these fascist examples in the 20th century, and yes I'm GOING to ignore the Spanish Civil War and the complaints against free market capitalism because communism and capitalism don't exist.

>it's communism.

>Antifa is fighting ISIS in Syria
And Nazis are fighting Russians in Ukraine. What's your point?

Fascists:
Mussonilli
Hitler
Stalin (he completely shat over the politburo as soon as he was elected)
Zhedong (Both in from the pov of the kmt and the chinese party itself, his list of misdeeds and ideological 180s is fucking legendary)
Peron - arguably history's first populist. We will never know because he was coup de etat'd
Chavez

Unsuccessful fascists:
Huey Long
The eternal anglo dude
Arguably certain elements of the kmt, but I'm not well read on that

t. Chileno

>Red fascism meme
Get fucked ancom

hitler wasn't a fascist...

you might want to reread the definition of facism dude.

Facism come from Italy, heavy relationed with Mussolini
It is originally called Facismo and pronounced fachismo, dunno I speak Spanish not Italian.
He basically talked about nationalism and to fight back communism because back there they really were a treat to your own country because what happened to Russia a few years ago, nowadays your avarage commie only sells breed and scream autism outside your college and for some reason insecure pseudo fascist first worlder betas see them as a treat.

Returning to facism, they are no different from any other autoritarismo, I like Italian facism by how they bend the church to their knees, the three pillars to rome and the heavy influence that it has on my country.
Now to live in a fascist state? not again, and it's even funny how Americans who never experienced a coup de state thinks it is a good idea.

Are you retarded?

Let me give you bullet points

1. Fascist community forms around a leader, the community claims to represent the true face of the country's people.
2. Leader dictates policy and can do not wrong in the eyes of the community, nor can the party itself be wrong in any way ornform
3. Anyone who doesn't support the community is the enemy or under tge thrall of the enemy. Members depend entirely on the community
4. The enemy is anything that inconvenience the party / the poeple at the moment, with a local spin. Everything is malleable depending on wether or not it's benefitial for the movement
5. The objective of fascism is to stay in power permanently and force everyone into the community

In short: fascism is a method with no real philosophic ideas, and therefore no real ideology.

Franco was not a fascist. He didn't foster any movement. Read on spanish caudillo militaries.

>ancom

Wut.

Nope.

>President says he is a Marxist
>Gets power with Cuban support
>Party is the United Socialist Party of Venezuela
>Nationalizes almost all industry
>Puts price controls, exchange controls
>Announces his country is moving towards the Cuban economic model
>Left-wing Hollywood actors support Venezuela as a "working example of socialism"

>Economy collapses
>Commies on damage control saying it's not communism

based religious fascists are fighting rebels in syria. Whats your point?
also nice strawman and bubble argumentus.

Have yiu perhaps wondered that chavez claims.to be a socialist because it merely conveniences him

God forbid politicians being capable of lying

All communists are liars.

Kruzchev wasn't a liar, he was just retarded

also 2 sides. How are people this retarded??? Im not nazi because i dont hate races like some shortsighted faggot, i hate idiots, and im fascist, and will final solution all dummies like you from the world one day.

have you thought about getting a hobbie or doing something creative with that inside anger?
like go to boxing lessons, and maybe after some punches you relearn how to be humble

2 siders will always lose because the 3rd party will fuck them up after they have fucked each other. Dumb bastards

1) Yes because leadership is never seen in any other kind of political movement
2) it's an authoritarian ideology, who cares. It's not like anti-authoritarians are any more competent
3) you mean like in any other society?
4) actually the enemy is free market capitalism and communism, that much has always been clear. The enemies stay completely consistent
5) like every other ideology, fascism wants to stay in power. If you're seriously going to pretend that democracies don't behave that way, then, well... Maybe you should lurk moar okay kiddo

>Fascists has no philisopher like ideals
National syndicalism, integralist, reactionary ideals, and nationalism. If you want me to point you to the philisopher of fascism just ask but please stop embarrassing yourself

On a serious note: South American populism pretends to be socialism.to gain the support of the actual meme socialist far left. But their modus operandi is textbook populism, not socialism.

Chavez, Kirchner, Morales, da Silva, etc didn't give a rat's ass about ideology. It was all an excuse to get into power and give """favourable""" deals to their friends and associates. See lava jato, see 95% of the kirchner government currently in jail, see how inequality exploded in venezuela between party members and non party members. Haga patria, mate a un corrupto.

But whatever, you won't listen to a word i said because you are an americanized idiot.

oh creative, from who did you copy that sentence from? Only seen that comeback for million times already. can't you fuckers come up with anything by yourselves?
>hurr durr i've read marx and locke
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>Inequality exploded between party members and non party member
Not him but... Jeez... Why is it that happens everyone there is a socialist reform? Also
>Populism as if it's a coherent ideology and isn't just an appeal to the common person
You know, appealing to, you could say, the proletariat. That would be populist

>It's not real socialism!!!!1!!111
That's how radical leftists operate worldwide, only due to the internet and other forms of democratic oversight (Wikileaks) it's more difficult for them to cover their crimes now.

Communists are scum and you should feel like a piece of shit for making up excuses for their failed ideology.

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>Implying I'm a Trump supporter
No, I'm a centrist, I just happen to hate communist scum as much as fascist scum. Keep grasping for those straws though, shows you are really desperate.

1. Leadership doesn't form cult like systems where if you stop supporting the party they actively try to fuck you up.
2. Authoritarianism comes in several forms, the main distinguition between fascism and the rest is that ideology is built around leadership and and not the other way, meaning ideology doesn't matter
3. Any pre 1800s ideology? Yes. The main point is that fascism is a reactionary movement to the game's rules changing. Human rights, enlightment, etc etc.
4. lol no. The definition of communist, free market and subhumams chamges all tge time. Hitler was pro churh until it stopped supporting him, then catholics became evil to him. The whole concept of ethnic supremacy and other races being "the enemy" is unique to hitler too and not found anywhere else. The enemy is malleable.
5. Let me ellaborate: fascist change the rules of the game so they can't legally lose. This is anathema to democracy and not democratic party wortg it's weight would do it. The remember the context in which fascism created.

Ghose ideas don't apply to snything in particular. Again: what the leadership wants is more important than any philosophy and there's dozens of recorded instances of it.

Leadership > ideology . One of the defining characteristics of fascism. Pull this off as a democratic party or as a commie and everyone abandons you.

the fuck you are talking about you autistic fucktard, I was just saying that you sound like our avarage school shooter and giving you an advise so you stop being a paranoid bitch.

Mate I'm a south american and I know how my socialists quack. Populists ar not socialists. They would never allow half the shit they pulled.

You gringos seem uncapable of understanding this, you are still stuck in 50 years old cold war ideologoes when the rest of the world has moved on. Your propaganda was too damn effective.

It doesn't, socialists generally make everyone poorer because tgey can't into economics. Assuming thet ever get into power in the first place

Sos un pelotudo y la razon que Sudamerica es un fracaso.

Nobody is talking about communism

Communism is a fucking dead ideology. What decade you think this is? 1960?

>Implying I'm a Trump supporter
That not what I implied. DPRK is not Communist.

y vos sos un mogolico si pensas que el socialismo es lo mismo que el populismo.
Anda a ponerla y después hablamos cornisa

No se de que me hablas papu, vote a macri.

wow seriously dude, have you thought about getting a hobbie or doing something creative with that inside anger?
like go to boxing lessons, and maybe after some punches you relearn how to be humble

>getting this triggered because of internet

Chavez was a communist. The South American left, in general, is more radical than the European left. The fact that Venezuela is collapsing and other South American countries with left-leaning governments suffered economic crisis in the past years can be squarely blamed on socialist economic mismanagement.

I only arrived to this thread because people were saying Venezuela was fascist and not socialist, which is the most idiotic attempt to cover for that country's failure that I've ever seen.

Honestly I have no idea what best korea is now.

aguante macri la concha de su madre

Las politicas económicas fueron socialistas, retrasadito mental, sobretodo en Venezuela y en el segundo gobierno de Cristina. Ponele el nombre que le quieras poner, no cambia el hecho de que lo que arruino a Venezuela es el estatismo y las nacionalizaciones, por algo los socialdemocratas europeos ya no apoyan nacionalizaciones masivas.

Anda a hacerte la paja que es para lo unico que servis, boludazo.