Greek war of independence

How did it started?

self-hating turks who got tired of being mudshit r*aches and decided to wewuz the ™greek™ identity
>a 19th century ikibey would have been

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why do they all look like turks???

Because Greece at the time was ruled by Turks, they were the ones the Greeks were seeking independence from.

Some people wanted to recreate an Orthodox Byzantine Empire, but best Britain and France could do was a small Greek state.

Whoa, source, and are there English subs?

I miss the fancy stache era

In what sense? The dress and facial hair was fashionable for the Ottoman empire at the time. There were also Greek diaspora/educated greeks that supported the revolution who had the average western look. Priests that participated in the revolition were also different to the average civilian get up.

The man in the picture (kolokotronis) came from a kleft family, klefts and armatols were historical guerrillas that took to the mountains when Byzantium fell so. They avoided the Turks and taxes in the rugged terrain while constantly attacking them. Refrain from further butthurt

It started with a secret group called filiki etairia

Yeah those were the days. Allthough I'm glad we're currently in the bearded era as I can't for the life of me grow a decent 'stache.

>started
when you use did you don't put the verb in the past, user. It started. How did it start?

It started after 1453, between then and up to 1821 the balkanites had countless revolutions and Serbia even managed to establish a brief state before that.
>Ottoman empire begins crumbling
>greeks all over the empire and guerrillas are still culturally aware as Rum people and of their Hellenic language, but are also very regionally divided
>rich merchants and greeks in diaspora support the cause of an independent greek state
>the mason-like "Filiki Eteria" or friendly company organisation forms for the first time in Odessa, Ukraine.
>Greek priests and scholars take to educatung the masses, teaching them how to read and write, making them more aware of regional history and their origins
>the Church helps unite the people, the mamy arvanites, a bilingual people who spoke greek and albanian began identifying themselves as greek
>Theodoros Kolokotronis, a Greek guerrilla, served in the British army in the imperial territories of the Ionian
>he later becomes one of Greece's most notable personalities, a successful and eager general
>revolution sparks from the Peloponnese
>wide spread support from philhellenes in Britain, Germany, America, Balkans
>britain sets the state afloat with loans
>germany sets up Bavarian monarchy in the young state, developing areas neglected by the Turks, building infrastructure and housing, maintaining ancient sights with the locals
>the successful greek revolution sets off a chain in the order of Serbian, Montenegro, Albania and Bulgaria uprising

God fucking damn black powder guns are cool

Were Montenegro and Ragusa independent/autonomous?

Montenegro had a special kind of autonomy in the Ottoman empire, but they achieved full independence later on. Not sure about Ragusa, Austro-Hungarian empire comes to mind

>Greek war of independence
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So how did they differentiate between Greeks and Turks?

>language
>religion
>look

Language, religion, region, looks. Also, there were differences in Turkish dress and Greek dress despite the same style.

hivemind

Obvious answers and coincidence

>looks
Greeks and Turks look the same tho.

>implying

but they dont

These outfits are kinda cool, why do their contemporary ceremonial outfits look so much gayer?

>language
debateable, there were turkish speaking christians and greek speaking muslims, google karamanlides.
>looks
both are subhuman manlet shitskins
>religion
This, ottomans divided people by their religion. Thats why some roaches will say how their ancestors were from crete or some other island.

Turkey is a big country, and Greeks are many different looking peoples. Western Turks look similar to some islanders and mainland Greeks, Peloponnesians and Cretans are probably the Greasiest Greecemen. Northern Greeks range and many of them look like slavs, with light features being common. Cypriots have a very levantine phenotype but many of them also have Venetian, Frankish and British blood from all the occupiers in the past. Greek islanders in Northern Ionian look like Italians. All in all, Greeks are generally swarthy, but light hair and light eyes aren't uncommon. Pic related is a rather good looking Cretan, although his look is stereotypical.

>4093893
There are other ways of getting attention, you could also be taken seriously

Because Greece was Turkish back then

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>These outfits are kinda cool, why do their contemporary ceremonial outfits look so much gayer?
The most advertised outfit is the Evzonas, it's also the most ridiculous one. Unfortunately that was the one the larger number of people fought in and also the Greek royal guard was dressed in. There are, however, better ones that are still worn in traditional dances, plays and exhibits based on region.

After some comparing I think I know now
Greeks = wide sleeves and skirt
Turks = baggy pants

You need to compare civilian clothes in their corresponding jobs or social class. Compare peasants to peasants, not soldiers trying to look fancy.

Not exactly, the "Vraka" (literally translates to baggy briefs/knickers from greek) was worn in the Balkans extensively. A distinction between Turks and the rest would be status, for one. Wealthier Turks wouldn't hesitate to wear robes and large hats/turbans other than a fez. Another trait would be intricate patterns and expensive material. However you are right on the skirt, those were only worn by the Albanians and Greeks.

>Odessa
>Ukraine

My bad, it's in better hands now as it ever was.

>you will never lie on a deck chair in sunny Navarino while European ships flood the crystal bay
Pretty sweet

Why did the Concert of Europe support this? It's an 'illegitimate' state.

>illegitimate
In what way Emir?

It was cause célèbre.

>Karamanlides
Retard, they predate Ottoman times. They aren't muslims who became orthodox, they've always been orthodox. There was no reason for any muslim within the Ottoman empire to turn into Christian and lose his priviledges.

has there ever been ANY peoples converted from islam to christianity anyway, within or without ottoman empire?

The Moors post Spanish reconquista

In a way that the previous administration was overthrown by an illegitimate force.
So it's a mental gymnastics the Great Powers invented in order to fit in with the Concert order.

This

Nonsensical comment fueled by blind nationalism, as expected from a Turk.
>administration
The Ottomans didn't "administer" shit other than Jizya, they preserved Rumelia through neglect for 400 years. They had every right to their own state.

>Nonsensical
Are you ignorant of the established post-Napoleonic order and the dilemma the Great Powers had over the Greek War of Independence? Also, why would a nationalist Turk support the Ottoman Empire, dumbass.
>The Ottomans didn't "administer" shit other than Jizya,
This shit doesn't matter. At the time they were all internationally recognized as subjects under the Empire. Also, the Greek forces were rebels, there is no justification of it, unless you're a Jacobin liberal at the time. I'm just stating historical facts, but of course retarded shit like you would rather have feels over facts.

What are you trying to push? Are you saying the only legitimate countries in Europe are former imperial administrations?
>justification
>world recognition
Probably the most idiotic arguments i've heard against revolution. If you're subjects aren't happy, you should expect backlash, if you have any sense of reality. Administration isn't natural law and concepts don't dictate the representation of ethnic groups. As for your post-napoleonic state and "balance of power", there is nothing about external situations that determines justification

*your

Montenegrins lived in secluded mountains so no one bothered to conquer them

>there were turkish speaking christians
so turks

>greek speaking muslims
so greeks

The Great Powers wanted no more liberal revolutionary rebellions and yet they supported the Greeks. That's literally what I'm trying to say. Sure the Greeks can try to fight (go on) whenever they want as long they do it themselves. Your military 'leaders' at that time were literal bandits and brigands, kek.

Anyway, why don't you try it now anyway? Try to 'reclaim' Istanbul now and see what happens. No help from your western daddies, but of course you're gonna run away to them anyway like always since Ancient times.

>being literally the most privileged minorities
>still chimp out
Amazing. Also, if Greece claims to be what they are, then ""Eastern Macedonia"" or even Macedonia shouldn't have been part of it, lol. Typical lying Greeks.

That's bullshit while from the 19th century on it might have been chaos but before that the ottomans were good administrators.

>non arguments
>butthurt
>brings up macedonia
Are you a FYROMite?

After the population exchange the muslims became turks and the christians became greeks.

The Ottomans didn't administer, infrastructure was minimal, blood tax, jizya and rampant poverty was dominating the areas which bore revolt. Pic related, Athens was diminished to a tiny village before the Bavarians helped turn it to a capital.

true

some christian turks do exist today but they are all in mordova and are called gagauz, on the other hand muslim greeks seem to not exist at all

The turks are the ones who got greeked

>Be a TÜRK Man
>Kill, genocide, and BTFO greeks
>hurr you greeked

t.

that's the opposite of t.

The real answer as to why it happened. What the muslim Albanians did to the christian Greeks:

>Referred to by the local Greek populace as "Turk-Albanians", those forces had also destroyed many cities and towns in Epirus during 1769–70.[17] In Patras nearly no one was left alive after the Turkish-Albanian invasion.[18] The city of Mystras was left in ruins and the metropolitan bishop Ananias was executed despite having saved the life of several Turks during the uprising. A great number of local Greeks was killed by the Albanian groups, while several children were sold to slavery.[19] The Ottoman government was unable to pay the wages the Albanian mercenaries demanded for their service thus the later were ravaging the region.

Albos need to be dumped in the Ionian