Hurr, let's attack this fortified position, that's been mined, trenched...

>hurr, let's attack this fortified position, that's been mined, trenched, defended by millions of Soviets in dozens of miles in depth with our slow heavy tanks that are easy prey for artillery, anti tank guns and infantry armed with molotovs
>what could go wrong?

>Oryol is Orel
>Gorbachov is Gorbachev
>Fyodor is Fedor
Why can't western retards transliterate ë properly?

We don't speak the language of a slav(e)

>that's been mined, trenched, defended by millions of Soviets
Surprisingly they didn't know it was to that extent.
You should be trashing their shit tier intelligence, exact same happened with Barbarossa.

Buttmad Turk.

The biggest advantage Soviets had was that they knew absolutely everything about Zitadelle plans.

>The biggest advantage Soviets had was that they knew absolutely everything about Zitadelle plans.
...and the Nazis still outkilled them.

Pretty sure the Nazi top brass dismissed good intel as 'defeatism'.

>giving a shit about cannon fodder dying as long as the objective is achieved

Yeah.
Shit tier intelligence indeed.

Why were the germans so bad at fighting?

>outnumber your enemy 5:1
>get killed at an 8:1 ratio
how did they ever manage to pull that off

Few corrections
>2nd Kharkov
Should be 600K strenght and 32K casulties on the German side
>3rd Kharkov
Should be (Sov:Ger) strenght (200k:150k) and casulties (100k:45k)

in 2nd and 3rd Kharkov soviets were overextended to shit and germs had just to cut off their supply lines and they were finished

You know that just makes Germany look even worse in the big picture for losing.

>be Soviet
>"If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there."-Zhukov
>commies in the future will make excuses for why this is okay but apply the same logic against it towards Germans who didn't make a habit of it
Interdasting

You appear to be a very intelligent person. Please share more of your advanced World War II, combat effectiveness and 20th century warfare knowledge with us.

you sure you are not want propaganda instead gomrade??

What? I'm just saying that if you're painting one side as incompetent, but but the other side lost, it makes the side that lost to such an incompetent foe look pretty bad. Or is this sarcasm? I'm not very good at detecting sarcasm, sorry about that.

Hello darkness, my old friend...

>Germany
>vs 4 countries way bigger with every advantage of manpower land and raw resources
>has Italy for an ally
>Italy can't take fucking crete
>Italy gets spanked by Brits in Africa
Surprised the war went on longer than a few months desu

>Germany
>declares war on literally everyone
>too dumb to use local population to fight the enemy, kills them instead
>refuses to listen to Mussolini and starts war 3 years earlier
>refuses Italian plan to invade Malta and autisticaly attacks Egypt with no supplies

>67000 soviet casualties vs 150000 german casualties at Jassy-Kishinev

>280000 soviet casualties vs 20000 german casualties at kharkov

Even the best soviet battles don't even compare lol.

>not counting the Romanians
oh hello Schlomo

...

>Destruction of 6th Army
>Soviets regain control of Bessarabia
>Romania defects to Soviets
>Bulgaria defects to Soviets
>130k dead men and other 200k GULAG'd

>>In merely 9 days
For real?

A CHING CHOGN CHANG RET'S ATTACK AMERICA
WHAT COURD PROSSABRY GO WRONG?

Wasn't the nazi intelligence so crap a single spaniard managed to give them false information with nothing but a tourist guide to england?

Daily reminder that most of the Battle of Kursk's losses on both sides were in the Soviet counteroffensive.

they only lost kursk because hitler had to cancel most of the offensive off due to operation husky

From what I understand, Hitler wanted to get some sort of victory in order to prop up the waning support of minor but strategically critical (due to geography and resources) Axis nations like Romania. Or, at least, that was one of the excuses he gave for deciding to go ahead with the attack. Apparently the Germans even prepared some spin ahead of time in case of defeat: they would pretend that the attack had been a counterattack rather than a large setpiece offensive. Hitler himself was uncertain about whether attacking was a good idea, so he obviously doubted the chances of victory.

Kek