Scott herman is natty peak. Anything more than this you're roiding.
Charles Martinez
>no neck
i can believe it
Thomas Nguyen
You are dumb and don't know what you're talking about
Michael Ross
Frank medrano is also a pretty good example of a shredded max natty. remember boys natty, big or shredded. pick 2.
he'd look bigger but don't think he wants to gain weight for his calisthenics shit.
Joseph Perez
Scott Herman is not natural my friend. He cycles on and off.
Owen Bailey
Not natty
Probably not natty, insane filters though so can't be certain
Julian Campbell
are you retarded gearhead. Even I got bulging popping shoulders when i started cycling in my ottermode phase. this dude has shit shoulders/traps.
Jackson Williams
citation needed
Nathan Foster
Scott herman is def on roids >pecs and shoulders to big at that lvl of leanness >pecs and shoulders over developed like we see in most roiders >no neck low natural test bitch boi
Ayden Clark
Yup, he's geared up. Thanks for the better quality picture m8
Cameron Torres
if you have gone past this point you are roiding
Justin Bailey
How the fuck is this not natty. He's not huge or very vascular and he's only around 175lbs or so. He just has very good genetics.
Justin Rogers
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Evan Roberts
>off cycle, claim natty because you're soft >on cycle, still claim natty because you're "not that big"
Jordan Thompson
>Scott Herman >not natty
gtfo and don't come back
Samuel Rogers
I think this is a pretty good video on what is and isn't possible for a natural body. Whether TGO is natty himself is another question.
Basically, it's pretty unlikely for a natty to be super cut and defined while also huge, so if you see someone with a fuckhueg body that's also defined like a show bodybuilder, they're probably not natural. But if they haven't cut their bodyfat to such a degree it's possible for people to get pretty big, they just won't have that 1970s Arnold look.
Asher Ramirez
>Whether TGO is natty himself is another question
He has a post on BB.com from ~5 years back admitting to gear. Very respectable physique regardless.
Lucas Gray
link?
Wyatt Gonzalez
Hell no. He's definately half natty. And by half natty I mean they cycle on or off or have done a cycle or more before.
Not natty
Probably does a small cycle here or there
No way in FUCK that twink is natural. Look at his face and and neck. And compare it to the rest of his body.
Here's a simple way to tell. If they look like a comic book character. They are not natty. If they have thin necks and it looks like they are wearing a muscle suit they are not natty. If they have huge as fuck traps and shoulders and a meh everything else. They are not natty. If they look like they are CONSTANTLY post workout and pumped while having a low bodyfat THEY ARE NOT NATURAL.
Liam James
Good, because I just want to be big and Natty. I thought I would never be able to be like Jon Pal even at his higher bf% for strongman.
Gabriel Williams
So can you post an example of what the natty limit is then?
Ryan Hall
you can't,there are people on roids who look like they are natty cause of their shit genetics
lift and see how far you get I guess
Jeremiah Morgan
I never saved it, sorry.
Isaiah Lee
top lel I knew it
fuck off you bullshitter
John Johnson
Stay rustled, faggot
Ayden Gutierrez
Yeah, blaha is one. Dude basically fucked his shit up with steroids. Litterally everything that can go wrong with gear use did go wrong with that guy.
Wyatt Carter
Here you go. These guys look 100% natural and like they are active and actively workout.
Leo Morris
They look really good. Most of fit has very unrealistic goal bodies.
Josiah Watson
Scott Herman used to be natty and then he suddenly got bigger and leaner and was like "lol I'm still natty I just started eating more" no faggot you've been at the same size for years and suddenly you figured out you need to eat more to gain mass? I'm not buying it.
Pic related is the natty limit
Nathaniel Baker
These guys don't even look like they lift
David Young
jeff is a fraud as well
Zachary Hughes
Nah he just uses good lighting. He's super soft and flat looking in normal light pic related
Jaxson Sanders
You honestly don't know what someone who lifts looks like.
Go take a look at the average guy in cbt thread. Outside of the guys who're pumped from a workout, the beyond obvious roiders and outright lying "half natty's" it's full of guys who bust ass in the gym and are relatively active.
The guys in my pic are legit natural and are "bodybuilders".
He obviously more then likely cycles on super low doses. He's not as over the top as a lot of the "youtube natural" guys and that's probably because he's all guilty and shit about it.
Noah Anderson
The natty limit varies from person to person Someone who is 5'9" will be able to look fucking stacked without even knowing what a syringe look like (if you're ingesting roids, you're retarded anyway) and they haven't reached their natty limit then we have people who are 6'5" who look like a fucking twig at natty peak. You can't just claim a universal natty look
But Jeff Cavaliere is a pretty good basis of well developed natty.
Aaron Taylor
can you tell me what happened to him?
Alexander Kelly
I'm 5'8 lad, will I look shredded at low bf if I keep lifting for a year or two?
Camden Powell
WHY DONT YOU JUST LIFT AND FIND OUT YOURSELF REEEEEEEEEE
Mason Parker
Yep he's also a creatine non responder and has a ton of not fitness related health issues. Just bad genes all around
William Thompson
i'll do it
Josiah Smith
Talking about natty peak is like 7+ years of lifting I think it's more useful to see it after two
Levi Morris
Working out for 1-2 years and not getting flabby from eating habits, shit sleep and everything around that. Ofc you will look jacked
Brayden Flores
Was steeve reeves natty?
Jack Anderson
so wait
being a manlet is ez mode then?
Leo Turner
I've heard he looks much bigger in person
Landon Martin
Not a chance
Gavin Peterson
why do you think the average lankie is so hateful towards them?
Elijah Sanchez
So basically everybody in CBT threads is on roids? What a world
Nathan Johnson
goat
Caleb Price
When it comes to putting on mass and even lifting? Of course. Rippletoe and the entire autistic memetic powerlifting group are all average 5'9 and below dudes. I've rarely ever seen someone well over that height and natural who is as gungho about that stuff then them.
And yeah, they can just dick around in the gym with a bro split and eating well and get pretty swole very quick. If you're tall as fuck you not only have to put in REAL WORK in terms of strength and effort you have to eat a hell of a lot more then them as well.
It's why I think most 6+ guys should have a really good calisthenics and endurance base to start from. Joint strength and integrity is vital for a long healthy life for taller men and the stamina to last through the workouts needed to put on that mass and strength are even more vital. Because one slip up for us = being fucked forever.
Adrian White
skelly lanklet detected,eat more dude
Connor Moore
In my opinion its stupid to expect much more than pic related. Roids practically werent in sport back then.
>but their knowledge was a lot worse than ours alas, their genetics were much better than today's testosterone-declining men. If you are average it is a good starting point.
Cooper Peterson
I love it how people underrate these old black and white pictures taken with a toaster "oh well, don't expect much more than this you know such is natty life"
Eugene Sandow was 5'9 manlet and 205lbs ripped. Jesus christ anyone with these stats abusing IG filters would be called out for OBVIOUS ROIDS.
He basically just had terrible chest genetics and the old pictures do no justice to his (and others) physique compared what you can get nowadays with top tier camera, photoshop, filters etc.
Scott herman is 5'10 and 180lbs with higher bodyfat for reference.
Sandow absolutely destroys Scott in terms of muscle mass.
Austin Cooper
I've been 6+ athletic active and well over 300 pounds since I was 14.
Kevin Jenkins
Sandow ate bull testicles and did cocaine.
Anthony Jones
I'm so glad I found Veeky Forums.
Joshua Robinson
so, a natural should expect much less. not good news. afaik sandow chest was just underdeveloped as they didnt thought that a big chest and big bench is an important thing back then.
there is a reason why eating standard test wont work and you need to use oral roids. I highly doubt that eating bull testicles would provide you with any bioavailible testosterone.
Parker Nelson
Fucking meathead. Lol
William Torres
He didn't have terrible chest genetics as much as a reduced focus on building the chest Back then benching and dipping weren't a thing It was all about ohp and bent press
Mason Scott
No way hes 205 if hes 5'9.
Why do you so desperately want Scott Herman to be natural?
Tyler Gutierrez
? Itse even worse IF Scott is on roids then because Eugene had over 25lbs lean muscle mass on him as a NATURAL lmao
Austin Sullivan
There are like 10000 different factors that determine your natural peak (gender hormon levels age how much sleep you get if you have a job your free time activities etc) this thread is complete bullshit
Eli Hill
sandow was strong as fuck, just never worked chest much but he was fkn strong as hell
back then it was all about the overheads and deadlifts
Aaron Wright
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Justin Richardson
>there is a reason why eating standard test wont work and you need to use oral roids. I highly doubt that eating bull testicles would provide you with any bioavailible testosterone.
I don't care about your doubts. They at bull balls.
Angel Kelly
you don't fucking know his real height or weight. He's a showman. And he, like all bodybuilders and men who sell themselves based on their body, lie. Hell, sandow threatened to sue a dude who said he wasn't as strong as he claimed rather then actually lift the fucking weight and prove it.
Benjamin Miller
How does he wipe his ass?
Angel White
The biggest bodybuilders actually have to hire people to wipe their asses for them, or at least use those toilet parer holding rods that midgets use to make up for their disproportionate arms. But yeah, gotta build that stack, Bro!