ITT: memes, myths and dangerous practices in regards to lifting weights. let's start with some old memes/myths that need to die and we'll get into dangerous lifting techniques later.
> genetics don't matter > getting a good pump and being sore are a sign of good training > 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight is needed to build muscle > the type of protein (beans, chicken, milk) you eat matters a lot > benching with a wide grip = a wider chest > wide grip pull ups = wider back > slow controlled negatives build more muscle than fast explosive reps > you need to "contract" and "feel" a muscle working for it to activate and grow > there is a special rep range for strength and a special rep range for size > strength and size are not closely correlated > doing cardio kills your muscule development > full body training programs are not the most effective for natural lifters and are only for beginners > bodypart splits are the best way to get aesthetics > it's good to feel drained after a workout > bulking and cutting isn't hard on your health > being shredded as a natural isn't extremely bad for you > the bodybuilding lifestyle at the proffessional level is cool and admirable and isn't just about drugs, gay4pay, and more drugs > lifting will get you laid
If anyone has questions on any of these don't hesitate to ask
Julian Sanchez
Any advantage to wide grip pullups?
I usually do normal grip ones and then some wide grip behind the neck ones because it looks cool and just because I can.
Sebastian Brooks
>> slow controlled negatives build more muscle than fast explosive reps
never heard anyone question this before. explain mister.
Joseph Sullivan
You forgot the most dangerous one of all:
>OP isn't a faggot.
Levi Morales
>it looks cool
dude no one is watching you lmfao
Benjamin Williams
His ass
Blake Gomez
Dangerous lifting techniques. You might have seen or heard these at your gym. Personally I see them every time a go. If you want to stay safe please never do these. Again, ask a question if you want clarification on anything.
> "pouring-out-the-water-jug" when doing lateral raises > bench pressing above your nipple line because it "activates the pecs better" > using too wide of a grip on bench long term > dumbell shoulder pressing on a 90 degree bench angle > dumbell shoulder pressing in line with your head and ears > grinding reps/ attempting PRs too often
Luis Murphy
"Slow reps build more muscle" is one of the biggest memes in lifting.
We already know that the only thing that matters in regard to muscle gains is your TOTAL TRAINING VOLUME over time aka the amount of work the muscle does.
It doesn't matter what way you aquire that volume. So there is literally no difference between doing fast reps and slow reps as long as the sufficient volume level is met.(aside from the fact that fast reps will make you more explosive and strong).
Your muscles don't magically decide to grow bigger because your doing slow reps and "feeling the muscle work". All that's happening is your fatiguing faster, causing more unnecessary tissue inflammation, and making yourself more sore.
Literally only noobs believe in the slow reps build more meme.
Connor Myers
Not really man. Compare the pullup to the chin up. Which one allows you to stretch all the way down in a longer range of motion? The chin up.
Now you've probably heard that chin up is biceps and pullups are back... Not really. Just because you feel your biceps working harder on chin ups it doesn't mean your lats aren't. It's not one or the other.
It's like close grip bench. It doesn't hit the chest any less than a regular grip bench, it just hits the triceps better.
Carter Johnson
>He doesn't go slow on the negative movement
Nathan Rodriguez
Wide grip for me works the forearms way more
Elijah Turner
Controlling the negatives give you the benefit. Going slower decreases the number of reps you can do so you don't get much more eccentric work, but you get much less concentric. Concentric work should be done with as much speed as possible for maximum effect.
David Cook
>these are the people who give you lifting advice I hope you people realise soon that the only purpose this board serves is memes.
Elijah Gray
> genetics don't matter they don't unless you compete and are already at elite level. 99.9% people here won't reach their genetic potential so it doesn't matter
>slow controlled negatives build more muscle than fast explosive reps depends. i don't think enough study has been done into this type of thing. isometric holds do build muscle and hypertrophy
>there is a special rep range for strength and a special rep range for size define size. there absolutely is if you are aiming for hypertrophy. for muscle gain it's a meme though
>strength and size are not closely correlated they aren't. strength has a lot of other components other than muscle size. muscles are a small part of it
>doing cardio kills your muscle development again depends on type of cardio. study showed that long endurance cardio does fuck with hypertrophy and strength gains
>it's good to feel drained after a workout well you shouldn't feel relaxed. you should feel tired after a workout otherwise what's the point if you don't give it your all every time?
>bulking and cutting isn't hard on your health meme science. you do realize that people who never track their calories are either cutting or bulking every day, right? nobody eats at maintenance all the time. TDEE varies every day
>being shredded as a natural isn't extremely bad for you it's VERY hard to get under 8% as a natty let alone maintain it. why do you think so many people who are shredded have to use drugs?
>lifting will get you laid it won't but it might just give you that final confidence boost that you need to finally talk to girls
Ryan Hernandez
>these are the people who give you lifting advice I hope you people realise soon that the only purpose this board serves is memes
Wanna explain how I'm wrong here?
Nicholas Howard
How slow do you go? 1 second? 4 seconds? The negative does not matter. Total training volume does. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
Tyler Miller
Just go slow, Idk why you gotta make it complicated.
If you just let the weight drop it will be due to gravity, not your muscles resisting it. That's makes a better use of your time for the movement
Don't drop the weight - go slow. Not so hard!
Luis Wood
Who wants to bet that this dyel is also a yank?
>taking yank bait ISHYGDDT but I will.
Any evidence to back up your outrageous claims?
What's that?
No?
Thought so, little man.
Juan Russell
>depends. i don't think enough study has been done into this type of thing. isometric holds do build muscle and hypertrophy
Yes they can build muscle and hypertrophy - as long as your sufficient training volume is met.
William Campbell
You do the same Work (movement) except it's more intense when you go slow on the negative and therefore build more muscle
Wyatt Rodriguez
you are retarded seriously consider suicide
Matthew Lopez
>gets btfo because he cannot provide a single piece of evidence >b-b-but y-you're r-retarded
Kek
Nice try, little man.
Jackson Turner
I watch myself nigga
Jonathan Stewart
Yeah, talking about actual things like total volume/workload is an "outrageous claim." Now I know you're trolling lmao.
Asher Butler
heres one danger you might get laid fasterhaha
Gavin Walker
It doesn't build more muscle anymore muscle than reps at regular speed as long as your sufficient workload is met
Gabriel Williams
>little man Post body. Not even the same user, just fuck off with this bullshit or back it up.
Ethan Ortiz
>The negative does not matter you heard it here first folks
Benjamin Adams
Just came here to say OP's list is good shit. lol @ gymrats claiming 8-12 reps done slowly and "squeezing" is the best for muscle size when they use 15lbs on a db press.
Easton Parker
Read the next part > Total training volume does
3 sets of slow negatives or 5 sets of regular reps. Does. Not. Fucking. Matter. As long as your volume is sufficient, you grow. All negatives do is add to your workload and make you more sore. You guys read way too many BB.com articles lmao.
Austin Morris
Thanks. Glad someone else has a brain. This thread is full of noobs who follow broscience it seems.
Joshua Ramirez
>getting a good pump and being sore are a sign of good training how is this not true
Samuel Rogers
He's too busy doing negatives with 185 on bench Gotta feel that pec contraction right "bro"?
Jayden Torres
> "pouring-out-the-water-jug" when doing lateral raises
How? Every thing I've ever read about lateral raises say to do this.
Michael Richardson
I learned yesterday that high bar squatting is the biggest meme of all. I squatted 405 for 3 yesterday just transitioning to low bar. If you arent doing low bar you should start
Daniel Murphy
well high bar is less stressful on the lower back compared to low bar but unless you do oly lifts or actually feel more comfortable doing it which i doubt, high bar is pointless. muscle load is pretty similar between the two but you can lift like 10-15% more weight with low bar which means better overall gains. if you want to work your quads do front squats or leg press
Sebastian Ramirez
Doing that shit will seriously fuck your shoulder up as the years go on. Your internally rotating your shoulder joint under a weight.
Always make sure your thumbs are higher than your pinkies when doing a side raise.
James Price
Agreed
Lucas Turner
>> genetics don't matter Genetics can matter but only if you're one of those lucky son of a bitches whose muscle doesn't degrade.
Jacob Roberts
Wtf are you serious? I can add 10% with low bar?? I've always done high bar squats lol.
Noah Fisher
>> dumbell shoulder pressing on a 90 degree bench angle
why
Tyler Gray
> genetics don't matter False > getting a good pump and being sore are a sign of good training False > 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight is needed to build muscle Mostly false, but perfectly fine > the type of protein (beans, chicken, milk) you eat matters a lot True > benching with a wide grip = a wider chest False > wide grip pull ups = wider back True,works the lats which makes your back wider but any lat exercise also will. But wider grip vs narrower doesn't mean wider back > slow controlled negatives build more muscle than fast explosive reps Kinda true. Time under tension is important and quality reps make a difference. > you need to "contract" and "feel" a muscle working for it to activate and grow False, but proper mind muscle connection helps > there is a special rep range for strength and a special rep range for size Very true, but there is carryover between the two > strength and size are not closely correlated Size means strength potential but not neccissarily strength > doing cardio kills your muscule development True, doing cardio in the same session most definitely harms muscle growth > full body training programs are not the most effective for natural lifters and are only for beginners Everybody reacts to training differently, genetics plays a role. So this is true > bodypart splits are the best way to get aesthetics True > it's good to feel drained after a workout True > bulking and cutting isn't hard on your health Much better then ring a fat sack of shit > being shredded as a natural isn't extremely bad for you True > the bodybuilding lifestyle at the proffessional level is cool and admirable and isn't just about drugs, gay4pay, and more drugs False > lifting will get you laid Ish, lifting makes it more likely for you to get laid
Zachary Lewis
> the type of protein (beans, chicken, milk) you eat matters a lot This is a half truth. Soy protein is bad. > wide grip pull ups = wider back This is controversial but some people claim that wide grip pull ups do widen the clavicles and the ribs if you do it at around 17-20 years old. I myself got a wider frame but Im not sure what the cause is. Wide grip pull ups do put too much pressure on the joints though. I dont do it anymore.
> slow controlled negatives build more muscle than fast explosive reps Very debatable.
> you need to "contract" and "feel" a muscle working for it to activate and grow Very debatable.
> lifting will get you laid It's just like a saying " money can bring happiness". Being a big, strong virgin is still 1000 times better than a weak, out-of-shaped virgin.
Julian Mitchell
>doing cardio kills your muscle development Cardio during bulk is the most insane bullshit in existence. you raise your burned calories and have to eat more on top of probably already having to eat like 3600kcal daily. this just reeks of dyel who goes like "but muh heart health" jesus christ unless you're 90% sedentary/obese this is a zero issue. >slow controlled negatives build more muscle than fast explosive reps both work. however slow reps with heavy are still the center point of muscle development for natties >the type of protein (beans, chicken, milk) you eat matters a lot yeah let's just eat any kind of bullshit quality protein with incomplete amino profile. fucking christ. >lifting will get you laid implying a nice body doesn't add to your attractiveness. indeed getting laid requires more work than just your body, but it's one hell of a plus >bulking and cutting isn't hard on your health "muh bulking and cutting is only good for roiders" "muh leanbulk 4 netshurels" "muh bearmode" >bodypart splits are the best way to get aesthetics ultimately it matters less what split you use than it matters what frequency/volume/intensity you use >full body training programs are not the most effective for natural lifters and are only for beginners after a certain point you won't get the needed stimulation for your muscles to grow. you can't go heavy enough on your whole body in one session >you need to "contract" and "feel" a muscle working for it to activate and grow yeah let's just have shit form and don't care about anything. of course you should feel the muscle you're working properly. this gives you the signal that that shit is working and working hard enough aswell.
Hudson Reyes
> the type of protein (beans, chicken, milk) you eat matters a lot >This is a half truth. Soy protein is bad.
soy is actually the best one after dairy based protenos
Wyatt Scott
The "total volume = gains thing" is misguided BS. For example: if I was to do a set of 10 pink dumbbell curls 4 times an hour every day I would have an enormous total volume but absolutely 0 gains. Its a balance of intensity, volume and frequency that matters.
Aiden Evans
enjoying that exogenous estrogen you faggot?
LITERAL WARNING FOR ALL MALES: Stay the holy fuck away from any and all products that mainly/purely consist of unfermented soy. That shit is cancerous to your hormone balance. literally estrogen in edible form. Also overpriced as fuck >200g soy patties => 5$ >1kg of chicken breast => 4,50$
fuck that shit
Carson Phillips
It works out lats better
Logan Campbell
>1kg of chicken breast = 4.50$
Jesus christ, that must be some disgusting, factory farmed, antibiotics-filled, never-seen-sunlight "chicken" youre buying there.
