I have only now realized how fucking insane the mississippi is

Btw, Mississippians do not sacrifice people on top of those like the Aztecs and Mayans do right?

What's so insane about it?

No they wait until their chief dies.

Egypt had the Nile
Babylon had the Tigris and Euphrates

why didnt anybody form a massive thriving civilization around the Mississippi?

This is the correct answer

Cahokia was almost as populated as fucking London. It was "relevant" to native Americans, but they were limited by several factors. Disease had largely wiped then out by the time Europeans settled heavily. They had no real beasts of burden and the diversity of cereal grains native to the area was lesser than Eurasia and MENA, with middle eastern edible grasses having several advantages such as being more easily stored in dry conditions and rapidly growing after rainfall.

Reminder that Europe had no native civilization.

>major cities on 4th or 5th order tributaries of the Mississippi
>New Orleans
>Memphis
>St. Louis
>Minneapolis
>Pittsburgh
>Tulsa
>Vicksburg
>Louisville
>many others

USA is pretty relevant, so idk what your trying to say

>define relevant
A strict list of civilisations that should be the only ones ever present in the Sid Meyer's Civilisation series; formulated from a synthesis of teenage geek """"culture"""" "dude I LOVE history" shallow factoid knowledge and oversimplified /pol/ brainlet race politics.

Corn is a terrible, terrible staple crop. Plus, inland north-american winters are rather harsh compared to those of Europe.

>Corn is a terrible, terrible staple crop.
???

Ah yes, the myth of the dissapearing civilization.
>They existed you just can't see it!

If you mean Canada then yes but theres really not much difference in the winter of the US and Europe.

flawless point glad to hear your input

Why do you think most people never learned about them?

>how do we know ancient egypt was real lol theres none of them left

Funny thing is it's formed because of the massive failed rifting at pangeas end . That's why the new madrid quake occurred and will again

Lol yes there is. In Europe is just about snows, in the vast continental interior of America you get hit with pitiless ice storms on the reg

>Comparing a civilization with written history and one without

>with middle eastern edible grasses having several advantages such as being more easily stored in dry conditions and rapidly growing after rainfall.

>Cahokia was almost as populated as fucking London.
That's what people always say, and yeah, it's true. Except that's really not that impressive - actually it's highly misleading, since at Cahokia's height London wasn't anywhere near the metropolis it would become. Its population was approx 40,000, which isn't something to sneeze at, but when you say "a population the size of London" most people think that Cahokia could have matched the cities in Europe's top tier, which it obviously could not. I'm not shitting on it, but it wasn't a Tenochtitlan-level metropolis.

>mississippiriverforants.jpg

They did OP. They were called the Mound Builders.
They lived in Motte and Bailey style settlements along it.
They had up to 5000 people in each settlement
They were farmers. Growing crops. Irrigating them with the Mississippi.
French explorers introduced European diseases to them in the 1600s
English speaking explorerers didn't make serious forays into their region until after the Lousiana Purchase
They were all wiped out by that time
Which is why there are few records and they are not commonly remembered

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_Builders

Its because the English speakers found abandoned settlements that a lot cooky ideas developed in the 19th century about their origin, kinda sad really

>Europe had no native civilization
Brainlet

>implying you need written "history" to see the hundreds of mound building settlements going back to nearly 4000 BC.

How do they decide which branch is the Mississippi and which branch is some other river?

>Europe had no native civilizations

What the fuck does this even mean?

one branch is bigger than the other

>what is the USA?

"civilization"
native americans had comparable cities

Yeah retard, that's the point Cucuteni cities were the same size of the Missisipian ones, despite the Danube river being much smaller

T.Not him

>How come no relevant civilization formed around it?
Why haven't any relevant civilizations formed around the edge of the world? Think about it.

so if it rains more in one place and one of the branches gets bigger for a season they have to redraw all the maps

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_stem

It means that he's a brainlet.

>Anatolian farmers settling lands close to their homeland and importing their Middle-Eastern crops and livestock is "native european civilization"

It was very relevant to everyone in the New World, until whitey brought smallpox.

You just mean it wasn't relevant to (you)

Considering all Europeans descend from them in varying degrees, yes it is a native civilization

50% of our heritage comes from the Steppe people, the rest coming from WHG rich EEF. So yeah they are our ancestors, they lived in Europe and they are our civilization you Turkroach.

Just tame the bulls you fucking double niggers

This is like calling the modern US a native american civilization.

No, it’s not. Anatolian farmers are closer to Sardinians or even Iberians and South Italians than they are to modern day Turks and Near Easterners

Shhh, let the T*rk believe that he is a direct descendent of the Anatolian farmers. Maybe the next day he will LARP as a Central Asian.

>They had no real beasts of burden

lol WHAT

Why is it that Americas only had civilizations growing outside riversides? The ones really connected with water were just the Aztecs.

???
What the fuck is your point? Because that's like saying "British people and Americans are very closely related"
It doesn't change the fact that they aren't native American and Anatolians farmers weren't native to Europe either.

are you implying that the Mississippian mound builder civilization is made up?

Pro-tip, homo sapiens aren't native to 99% of the land they inhabit and different phenotypes have had overlapping and shifting ranges since their induction.

No one is native to Europe retard, all humans come from Africa

Thats what the fucking river is for.

then have fun going back upriver.

They did practice human sacrifice. Mound 72 at Cahokia had a chief's burial with a massive amount of sacrifices, mainly young women

>who are the Incas, Mayas, Aztecs and Pueblos?

That's a cool map. I'mma just take that back to /tg.

>How come no relevant civilization formed around it?

>this retarded
We've linked European groups like the Irish to the Middle East because of just how Middle Eastern these farmers were. You are a retard for not knowing the difference between EEF and ENF. Anatolian farmers are ENF.

Anatolian farmers plot closer to Southern Europeans than to Turks, retard. And anyway the people who created the Cucuteni civilizations were EEF, since they had significant WHG admixture and in a few cases they even had significant Yamnaya admixture

In china and europe rivers were extensively used for transportation. Dunno about the rest of the world

>comparing bulls to horses
Yh because you can totally domesticate a beast thats dumber and more feral than a horse.

They would have been larger if they had horses you dumbass.

With horses/pack animals
Boats carry loads down river
Animals take them upriver

Unless you live in Egypt with its MASSIVE population, and then you just drag things over sand.

All had the benefits of an extremely urban society owing to their geology. In the Mississippi basin its much harder to centralize your population into discrete agricultural centers, especially without good pack animals to make labor easier.

>hey man come dig dirt all fucking day instead of following cattle I swear its better

No other river valley civs to trade info with. Egypt didn't become more relevant than the mississippi mound builders till they started trading with fertile crescent, indus valley, med civs and others. Trade is the key.

Was that wife-burying though, or religious

They also had really shitty crops compared to the old world.

You can't eat fucking sunflowers you sub-human.

well, old world crops became so ridiculously nutritous because of millenia of selective breeding, which started because their civilizations got off the ground.

There weren't bulls in the new world before the Europeans brought them here. There were Bison, but even today it's nearly impossible to domesticate them.

There were no domesticatable animals in the Pre-Colombian Americas aside from llamas which can't really do much.

Llamas and cousins to llamas such as Alpacas, which are equally useless

Not only egypt. There are always cheap sources of human labour

But did egypt have a comparable population to the missisppi region though?

Egypt used conscripted laborers in place of pack animals, an element of early Egyptian society exclusive to Egypt.

They had a much larger population, Avaris for example is estimated to have had 100,000 inhabitans