How legitimate is the claim of "Irish" people living in Northern Ireland to be "Irish"? Didn't the ROI give up the claim to Ulster? Is there any real issue with getting rid of the current terrible system in favour of permanent direct rule from Westminster, or is there any reason (based on the modern history of Northern Ireland) that this shouldn't happen?
Seems to me like the Irish in Ulster are really forcing themselves to believe that they're Irish instead of Northern Ireland, which has nothing to do with Ireland politically.
I think we need some Irish American opinions, especially from Boston.
Xavier Ward
Irish rugby team is composed of people from NORN and SAWF Ireland.
Anglos BTFO
Grayson Lewis
I think i have no idea what you're talking about, the Irish in NI are Irish, at least the catholics are. The flag is real nice, on an unrelated point
Cameron Morgan
I think as an alternative, the only way a unified Ireland can be reached is if Ulstermen are accepted as legitimately Irish.
So much of it is "didn't want your shitty country anyway".
Ian Barnes
As an American who's has two great grandparents that are Irish...
Ryan Reed
An an Irish person from the south I think the general view is that the whole island is Ireland, doesn't matter on what side of the border your born your still Irish. Even if you're a black jew with Korean parents, your just as Irish being born in either Dublin or Belfast. Unless I've completely missed your point and I look like a moron now. As for direct rule from Westminster that would be a terrible idea, the rest of Britain doesn't give a shit about northern Ireland so no matter how shit stormont is at least they'll care about the province.
Justin Reed
Pretty much its Catholics and protestants. If you are a catholic living in the northern ireland you would say you are Irish, but if you were a protestant you'd say you're british. I went there for the twelfth a few years ago, for those of you who don't know thats Northern irelands national day and they build fuck off big bon fires and put things that resemble the irish or catholics and then burn it. This was the one in antrim.
Blake Martinez
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Alexander Watson
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Luis Nelson
Charming...
Cooper Green
lol snowflake can't handle bad words.
Parker Martinez
You ask a complex question: what is a nation? What is Irishness? There will always be people who want to unite Ireland, especially catholics, and the Brexit risk to wake up this old desire....
Nicholas Carter
It's just a bit of banter between the lads
Oliver Turner
>we're not racist >just hate cotton-picking niggers and taigs Seems legit.
John Morales
I'm studying in Ireland right now and as a brownish non-catholic dude I have no relations here but I've been to both sides (working in the Republic). I've also attended history courses and picked up some books on the conflict, AMA. I've got a shitload of info with more objectivity than any republican or unionist, from the modern day situation and people to the historical aspect.
Tyler Stewart
Hey I am exactly in the same situation, I am a student in Ireland and have taken history courses! (but I am not brownish) Are you at Trinity?? :D
Gabriel Barnes
UCD
Jace Powell
TCD for me!
Dylan Gonzalez
It's funny, there's a village near Dublin that claims to be his ancestral home (on his white mother's side). He even visited once and drank with the locals. Hell, there's a little shopping mall called Barack Obama Plaza, and you can take your picture with a life-size cutout of him and Mrs Obama.
It's pretty funny. I got a magnet from there.
Jason Mitchell
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William Phillips
>Ireland >history Wtf do you learn about?
Brayden Lee
Here is the ancestor, one Fulmoth "Fully" Kearney, of Moneygall
Anthony Peterson
Not him but there's plenty to learn about
Early Irish monastic culture Early medieval cattle raiding type warfare The Viking Wars The Norman Invasion The gradual conversion of the Normans to Gaelic culture The 16th century rebellions The Nine Years War The Confederate Wars The Williamite War The United Irishmen Rebellion The Great Famine The Land War The Easter Rising The War of Independence The Civil War etc.
Jonathan Bennett
The real delusion is being born on Ireland but not thinking your Irish, as is the case with the 'British' in NI.
Obviously NI is not 'Ireland', as in the Republic of Ireland, but they're Irish. They have Irish accents.
Even the English don't speak the same language they did in the 8th century.
In modern terms they're talking Irish. The Republic has built an entire national identity while holding Irish as a revered hobby.
Dominic Garcia
Not even kidding Mick here born in Boston to 2 Irish parents who moved back to Ireland My view is that the more catholic or "Irish" counties should be returned to us I don't want Belfast and all the prods though they can stay
Justin Davis
Belfast should be given to the Netherlands tbqhwy
Dominic Nguyen
>protestants
Xavier Perez
niggAs user niggAs
BIG differnce
Ian Ortiz
digits confirm
Nolan Diaz
If you actually researched anything you'd realise the Protestants are the biggest meme """people""" on the planet They try SO hard to make people believe they have some sort of claim to the land, so much so that they made up a meme language (Ulster-scots is literally just English spoken badly with a Belfast accent), they also try rewrite history with the most unbelievable bullshit like they have ancient links to Egypt and shit It's all to and distract the fact that they were artificially planted here and are actually Scotting people larping as an oppressed race Someone post the screenshot of the thread of the Ulster guy talking about this stuff and saying the Orange halls are reliable sources of history and getting btfo
Nicholas Price
there's a guy at the top...
Kayden Evans
>he dinnae ken the cruthin
Wyatt Hill
It's an effigy of a Celtics supporter
Adam Nguyen
That reminds me about how the Scots bitched during the independence campaign about how they were a brutalized, colonized, conquered people and deserved independence as a result.
A bunch of made up nonsense to justify their hurt feelings toward Westminster.
Henry Sanders
All of Ireland is Ireland. And all of Ireland is British.
Easton Foster
>Ulster-scots is literally just English spoken badly with a Belfast accent What's unfortunate about this is when Scots were first planted in Ulster, Ulster-Scots WAS a thing for like two generations. But as English-speakers gained social and administrative prestige, it was anglicised very rapidly to the point where it doesn't resemble Scots spoken in Scotland anymore.
For example, I compared the Ulster-Scots signage I found on the Derry guild hall to signage I found when I was giving a talk in Edinburgh
>English First floor >Scots Laich >Ulster-Scots Furst Flair
>English Main hall >Scots Foreaw >Ulster-Scots Meen Hawl
>English Council chamber >Scots Conclaive >Ulster-Scots Cooncil chaummer
That's not a language, it's just phonetically spelled English
Dylan Richardson
To be Irish is to be of the nation not of the country.
Easton Lee
What a fucking brainlet post.
>Are the irish people who live in northern ireland irish? >the irish people in ulster, a province of ireland, a large chunk of which belongs to the republic of ireland with the rest belonging to northern ireland, are really forcing themselves to believe that they're irish
Irish Unity is inevitable, the only thing stopping it is Loyalist autism taking longer than expected to rip the union asunder. England don't fucking want us. The Republic of Ireland barely want us either. The only question about Irish Unity that matters is whether it'll be the Reds that do it or the Pacified Blueshirts with the Gay Indian Leader.
Loyalists are continuing to bicker and rage about everything while all the nationalists/republicans just kick back and shitpost. Every fucking week in the news there's at least 3 "Loyalist Outrage in response to Z" or "Unionist Fury as X" or general seething rage from the Unionists and Loyalists while they then go on to accuse nationalists/republicans of being "offended by everything and ashamed of nothing." The reality is that as 6 or so people STILL show up to stand around outside City Hall to cry about the Union Flag not flying daily, as people continue to bitch and moan about DEFINITELY, TOTALLY abandoning the DUP if they concede to Sinn Féin yet again (having stated this pretty much every single election/political issue) , as people STILL fucking obsess over making sure to spam "muh terrorism" on every single sinn fein or even vaguely irish based headline or event that without realising it they've sealed their own fate. Those of us who DO want to remain British are fucked, because we either spoil our vote or throw votes at the DUP who continue to fuck us. Of course people born in Northern Ireland are Irish, but they can obviously be British too since they live in the fucking UK. Why are people so utterly dense when it comes to this fucking backwater island
Charles Myers
Why does Ulster Scots have any sort of financial backing if it's so plainly similar to English?
Ryan Diaz
To offset Irish
Jonathan Rodriguez
The Ulstermen would have to self-identify as Irish as well, and currently they do not.
Ian Perry
The Church of England (Anglican Communion) is not a Protestant Church. Nothing to do with Luther etc.
John Garcia
Say what you want about Irish fags but man oh man do they know how to bant
Henry Murphy
>How legitimate is the claim of "Irish" people living in Northern Ireland to be "Irish"? Didn't the ROI give up the claim to Ulster? They are ethnically Irish and also have legal citizenship. The free state/republic didn't invent the idea of being Irish, what the fuck?
Kayden Johnson
>if Ulstermen are accepted as legitimately Irish. this wasn't even a contentious issue until after the 30s when they started insisting they weren't
Nicholas Baker
Many ulstermen deny they are Irish. And if they do so in public there is no reason to consider them as Irish.
Leo Davis
The quesiton is about people who claim to be Irish, not those who deny it
Jose Evans
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Kevin Baker
>That's not a language, it's just phonetically spelled English so is Scots, or 'broad lowlands' its badly spelt english
Benjamin Diaz
Because they don't want Catholics to get all the language funding.
Dominic Hughes
This looks good for the nationalist cause until you remember that most catholics are only fair-weather """nationalists""" and would bawk at a united Ireland due to its inevitable reduction of gimmedats.
Landon Robinson
The church of England is also in the Porvoo communion meaning it's in full communion with the Lutheran churches of Scandinavia
Samuel Cooper
That must be why you make these threads every single day to convince yourself
You have convinced me
Jackson Green
Not my thread, I'm just a nationalist who's annoyed by feckless nordies calling themselves nationalists when they are practically unionists.
Ayden Peterson
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Nathan Russell
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Eli Nguyen
>be Loyalist >try to claim Gaelic heritage and mythology >vehemently oppose Irish language act I see
That's not Scots, that's accented English. I know the guys who write most of the Scots wikipedia articles, none of them actually speak it and they just do it for a laugh. It started as a serious effort spearheaded by the students of the classic linguistic historians who specialised in Scots like Horsbroch and Murrison but it was pretty quickly taken over by colleagues of theirs and mine who thought the whole thing was ridiculous and basically hijacked it out of spite.
If you want to know what actual Scots looks like and how it compares to English, compare the English >A patch of lichen made my great grandfather black-faced, among the heather and the bushes to the Scots: >A skylter o roch grun fin granfadder's fadder brukit, in fae the hedder an the funn
It's similar but definitely not "badly spelt English", as the other post put it. I wouldn't exactly consider modern Scots to be a language in its own right but it's about as different from English as Aragonese is from Castilian
Isaiah Young
Historically the whole island of Ireland was Irish. The north being a bastion for the Irish during prior invasions, the hardest nut to crack in the invasion of Ireland was the north. This was fixed through rather costly military engagements as well as the landmark seeding of Irish land to Scottish Presbyterians. Unlike other plantations, the installation of these Presbyterian land owners managed to curb catholic resurgence due to a really deep hatred between the scots and Irish.
In other areas English land owners would eventually integrate or sympathize. Northern Ireland was held onto by the UK when a peace treaty was brokered after the Irish war of independence. The north meant so much to a lot of Irish people that after Irish representatives signed off on the treaty (namely Michael Collins), Ireland erupted into civil war. The north of Ireland WAS Irish. It still contains many Irish people unfortunately it is also populated which a great many unionists, these people are immovable. The land is not there's however there has never been the capacity or will to try relieve them of it. To give you an idea of how bloody a conflict like that may be, look into "The Troubles" and the unionist paramilitary organisations that surfaced from it, they would have been the very tip of the iceberg if things had continued.
Side note, the Keep Antrim Tidy slogan is a play/cover on Kill all Taighs, a unionist anti-catholic saying.
Ryan Thompson
Thanks for the info user, learning is fun
Alexander Williams
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Bentley Walker
Shits complicated yo, but only because idiots make it so. Then again they live they live on the IRELAND of ISLAND you fucking faggot, of course they're Irish. It was only 20 years ago people were being blown up over it not being political reality on a weekly basis. Does the Irish republic have a "claim" to NI, demographic legal historic or otherwise? Yeah, but that's not what's at issue. The problem is the just about barely still majority loyalists shitting the pool. They come in a variety of flavours raging from the classic Ulster Scot to the we wuz milesians. Trust and believe when I say that if the rest of the UK had a vote on it, we would vote to kick them out. Amerimutts fixation with the irish dindunufffin myth is bad enough but the ulstshites are another level, it's a real shame because the reeetards utterly poison what could have been a good identity. Is spot on here.
Lincoln Jenkins
Which means a bunch of 'bishops' get together at random intervals, talk about random issues, then go back home and talk about how fruitful the meeting was. Anyway, Porvoo was not until the 1990's.
Brayden Garcia
>it's another Ireland shitposting thread for OP to farm (You)'s by pretending to be retarded
Lincoln Gutierrez
LOOOOOOL you bought into Veeky Forums memes, Ireland isn't real lmao
Isaac Long
Rank the Irish, Northern Irish, Scottish, Welsh and British.
