J2

Yeah you were raped by Romans, congratulations

Romans were mostly R1b, dummy.
See this shit?

No, they’re mostly J2a, retard.

haha you're dumb.
Besides if that were actually true, that would only lend credence to their founding myth. That of Aeneas the Trojan.

Haplogroups are irrelevant you dumb autistic pieces of shit. Swede with E1b can be more Nordic than "Swede" with R1b-U106. yDNA is like 2% of your actual DNA, it's fucking nothing.

If a l1 germanic guy goes to Africa to fuck some negro women, their children will have his l1 germanic yDNA as well. So what? They're fucking niggers and don't look germanic at all, sure as fuck won't cluster with rest of Germanics on PCA.

FUCK OFF.

No, just leave this site retard

sad
>muh PCA
brainlet, y-DNA is extremely relevant for reasons you will never be able to understand

>a guy with J2 from Poland looks like a guy with J2 from Syria

nobody is implying that, that this is controversial is a fiction of your own imagining.

it can definitely be said that those two probably look a lot more alike than pretty much everyone with parental B though. What the hell do you think relevance means anyways, and why do you assume phenotype is meaningful in that sense?

haplogroups are important because it literally signifies your paternal lineage through history. For example, if you are R1a, it means every single one of your paternal ancestors up to a certain point were r1a.

The reason why maternal lineage is irrelevant is because in a historic context, women would be taken from the defeated civilization therefore would vary a lot over time depending on were your paternal ancestors were successful .

>maternal lineage is irrelevant
wrong, mtDNA is totally relevant

>you do realize that you descend from raped women
we all are, really

maybe from a biological point of view, but for purposes of lineage, not really. Unless I suppose if you're Jewish

I2 is true masterrace. Rest of you go back to your bogs in Asia.

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R-P311 Reporting in guess where Im from.

Amerimuttland

uh Brittany. Sub-clade?

By focusing on a single lineage you're ignoring 99.9999% of your family tree by the time you reach the bronze age. Do the math braintard.

No shit? Before that ancestor were likely some hunter-gatherers . doesn't tell you anything of interest. other than maybe which route they took out of Africa.

you have direct maternal ancestors too you know, you can approach both simultaneously.

I think you're confusing J2 with R1b.

Most haplogroups arose in Eurasia, what are you talking about?

If you go back 10 generations, You'll have around 1000 ancestors total. If you count both matrilineal and patrilineal lines back 10 generations, you'll have 20 individuals. 20 out of 1000, not a very objective base for one's identity and self worth. Kinda stupid when you think about it.

I think the value of the Y-Haplogroup comes from being able to trace a single line of direct line of fathers to sons leading to you. i think thats pretty damn cool.

Every ancestor that comes from a different community brings their entire ancestry with them too, which brings the % of (whatever stupid fucking haplogroup you choose to identify with) down every generation exponentially. Every generation you go back, the more the numbers work against you. By the time you get to 9000bc, it's completely fucking irrelevant. You have nothing to do with Proto Indo Europeans. If you fell into a time machine and one of those horse fuckers found you out in a field, all fat and pink and american, they would not hang out with you dude. They would not care about your thor tattoo. They would not think you're cool. They'd think you're a faggot, exponentially more then contemporary people already do.

I quit smoking a week ago and you just helped me get through a craving, you fucking idiot.

It has nothing to do with individuals and everything to do with populations. If you really still can't figure out why information on y-DNA is useful I suppose we cannot take this any further.

>You have nothing to do with Proto Indo Europeans.
you're weird.

(You)
And every ancestor that comes from a different community, they bring their entire ancestry with them too, which brings down the % of (whatever stupid fucking haplogroup you choose to identify with) every generation back exponentially. Every generation you go back, the more the numbers work against you. By the time you get to 9000bc, it's completely fucking irrelevant. You have nothing to do with Proto Indo Europeans. If you fell into a time machine and one of those horse fuckers found you out in a field, all fat and pink and american, they would not hang out with you dude. They would not care about your thor tattoo. They would not think you're cool. They'd think you're a faggot, exponentially more then contemporary people already do.

I quit smoking a week ago and you just helped me get through a craving, you fucking idiot.

>YOU were raped by Romans
These people were found in modern-day Netherlands, thus we(who btw ?) were not raped by Romans. They cannot be Romans infact, because they had Avar(Pannonia = Outside of the Roman Empire) horse equipments, and because they carried weapons which was forbidden by the Roman law.

>All Frankish samples are J2
>YU WUZ DUMB HHAAHAHAHAHAHAH FRANK WUZN'T J2 HHAHA ME SO SMART HEHEHEHE

Brainlet pls

>s-stop being fascinated by things... nothing matters . okay
Imagine being this jaded.

>All Frankish samples are J2
no, but those Merovingian nobles definitely were. Which is odd given their geographic location. I almost lends credence to their founding myth. That of Priam and Antenor, the Trojans.

>mfw I found out I am r1a1 and have been mentally larping as a Sarmatian ever since

my ancestor :^)

your example is only true for certain groups, but for the Proto-Indo-Europeans its completely wrong because they were in fact large genetic contributors to modern Europeans, especially Northern and Eastern Europeans. not to mention the cultural inheritance which they bequeathed to all of Europe(Uralic virgins not included). in places like Lithuania or Norway, the Indo-European genetic contribution is over 70%. thats a very real link.

Back to your containment board

>Which is odd given their geographic location

True. J2b is European but it is found mainly in the Balkans, and these clades of J2a are straight up Near-Eastern and Caucaso-Iranian(J2a-M67 = Vainakhs; J2a-M92 = Daylamites) at that.

J2 became common inItaly during the calchilithic, nothing to do with the fall of Troy

>dad is SEA (not even in one of the colored countries)
>tfw both of us are fingolian reindeer herders at heart
Confy to know my ancestors fought on the right side of the hyperwar

>t. nigger

Wrong
They region im from is Old Britonic , Galicia!

>Uarg no understand out of african theory
>Uarg whiter than sand tribes
>Uarg head hurt me think too much , need smash

R1ants don't even descend from the Yamnaya, unlike the chad R1b carrying Bellbeakers who raped the shit out of the R1a carrying Corded Wares in Scandinavia to create proto-Germanics.

>mother cucked his father with some Ruskie
>we wuz Aryans n shit!

>The Rothschild family, who established an international banking business, acquired the largest fortune in modern world history and established a true dynasty in the 19th century, apparently belonged to haplogroup J2a1-L210 (a subclade of M67) based on the results from the Rothschild DNA Project and of the J2-M172 Haplogroup Research.
>create civilization
>still rule the world
Based.

>ancient Egyptians were also J

There is one flaw in your larping. Corded Ware countries have the most Yamna admx. That is steppe admixture, it shouldn't be even called Yamna but here we are.

"Steppe-admixture" does not equal Yamnaya brainlet. There were several proto-Indo-European groups in the Pontic Caspian steppe. One of them was the Sredny Stog culture of which the Corded Ware culture came to be, nearly all of them carried R1a whereas the Yamnaya largely carried R1b, went west to the Danube area, mixed in with neolithic farmers and eventually developed the bellbeaker culture that would inhabit Western Europe.

For example, NW Europeans barely carry the R1a haplogroup yet are still 50% "steppe-admixtured". However the R1b is still prominent in Scandinavia compared to R1a, regions once populated by Corded Wares. Sissy Corded Ware derived Battle Axe boys were cucked by bellbeaker derived Unetice resulting into proto-Germanics.

>calls me a brainlet
>uses some third world rape analogies

That's not J2 you moron

>slavs in poland during the bronze age
NO

Could you explain your argument in modern english instead of caveman-speak?

Unironically this

Gonna take a test sooner or later.

I'm Scandinavian (with some ancestors from 17th century germany), that means I'm probably I1 (about 50% of population), R1b (20%) or R1a (20%)

Either my pops was a steppenigger or a forestnigger

True. They were at Ural mountains back then.

Weren't they around the area where Moscow is today? And then the huns drove them into Europe, beyond the carpathians.

At least that's how I understood it.

No, they were still in Mongolia whoring themselves with Huns obviously, then they drove to Europe with mongol cum dripping from their ass to Europe to push out Krauts from entire Eastern-Central Europe.

At least that's how I understood it.

Stop ruining this board

Prove me wrong then.

Culture is more important than genetics. Rurik was N1c but he culturally he was obviously a Varangian Norman.

West of Moscow there lived Balts, east of it Finnics.
Slavs are from further southwest.

Smart people place it either in Carpathian region and smarter in South Ukraine, where such populus people could actually sustain their population, unlike in Pripet Marshes(land is shit to farm) like some retarded pseudo schoolars want you to believe.

>Also you do realize that you descend from raped women?
who isn't?

>Also you do realize that you descend from raped women?
Not Scandinavians. Their men fucked the Indo-Europeans while the rest of Europe it was the reverse.

Depends on the definition of Scandinavia and still there were a lot of Neolithic lines which did go extinct. Even the extant G in Sweden has some post-Neolithic origin in Italy.

on a side note- I wonder if the so called " Aryan features" of having blonde hair, blue eyes, and Large stature is actually originated in the pre-IE Europeans in the forests of Northern Europe. I'd think so ...

You may not like it , but Androvono is PEAK Indo-European. All others are just shit.

Nah, not possible. These native hunters were already replaced by farmers in all relevant parts of Europe and farmers were very short.
You need a huge amount of tall steppe DNA to turn a short Sardinian into a tall Dutchman.

sardinians are as tall as other southern Italians, they're not pygmeys

Lol

>treating OOF like gospel
It’s not perfect. Don’t treat it like it’s the theory of escort or evolution.

This guy would say it's the Neanderthals

uh, E much?

Who does I1 originate from? Because blonde hair probably came from them

What the fuck is this autism?

Bronze age Sardinians were 167 cm tall on average, Yamnaya were 172 cm, not really a huge difference