Would the World Be a Better Place if Germany Won in WWI?

Are you actually retarded? 1924-1929 were a boom time of germany. The great Depression was global and began in america.

Holy shit, get off Veeky Forums.

Boom time for (((who)))?

The entire German economy, stormfag. Growth exceeded prewar levels.

and the hyper-inflation?

>the US still got involved
They didn't though. Germany stops unrestricted submarine warfare, and the US never joins, only supplying the Entente.

Ended in 24 with the introduction of the Rentenmark by Hjalmar Schact.

Then why is there a constant mention of hyper-inflation playing a role in Hitler's rise to power? I've seen that from both pro and against him.

>1924-1929 were a boom time of germany.

They didn't? I've never gotten super into the lore, just skimmed. Then how does it explain the problems in the US?

Because of retards. Hyper inflation ended in 24. Hitler was elected in 32.

Hyperinflation ended in 24 with the introduction if the rentenmark.

source(s)?

So Germany's loss didn't play a role in Hitler's rise?

I think so, Germany has always been the naturally dominant force in European politics going back to late Roman times (inb4 muh German nationalism, the "German people" and their various states have dominated Europe, i.e. the HRE was actually a thing and very powerful, Charlemagne was a German, etc.)

The dastardly Anglo-French alliance placed an artificial limit on German self-fulfillment, it would be like if Mexico and Canada teamed up to hold America down even though America had the best people and institutions.

The German empire would have been primarily a European continental one, and since Germany was a thoroughly enlightened and mostly democratic state, it would have been an entirely fine thing for people to accept - in fact people forget that Germany won the Franco-Prussian war which resulted more or less in the situation that would have prevailed had Germany won WW1 - a dominant Germany but governing by proxy and with due respect for the nations over which they dominated.

The English has always been a ruthless schemer, a lover of devious plots and greedy as befits a nation of petty merchants. They would have lost if not rescued by their gullible brother the USA. Over 50 million people would have lived and their children would probably be living on Mars now if not for Woodrow Fucking Wilson.

Extremist parties were popular immediately following Germany’s defeat, but soon lost power following the miracle recovery of 24.

The NSDAP’s rise was primarily stoked by fear of communism and the great depression.

Revanchism played a role, but people overestimate it.

I recently read Im Westen Nicht Neues. It made me cry.
All of WW1 was a mistake user. It was all a terrible, sad, disgusting mistake.

“The newly created Rentenmark replaced the old Papiermark. Because of the economic crisis in Germany after World War I, there was no gold available to back the currency. Luther thus used Helfferich's idea of a currency backed by real goods. The new currency was backed by the land used for agriculture and business. This was mortgaged (Rente is a technical term for mortgage in German) to the tune of 3.2 billion Goldmarks, based on the 1913 wealth charge called Wehrbeitrag which had helped fund the German war effort in World War I. Notes worth 3.2 billion Rentenmarks were issued. The Rentenmark was introduced at a rate of one Rentenmark to equal one million million old marks, with an exchange rate of one United States dollar to equal 4.2 Rentenmarks.[2]

The Act creating the Rentenmark backed the currency by means of twice yearly payments on property, due in April and October, payable for five years. Although the Rentenmark was not initially legal tender, it was accepted by the population and its value was relatively stable. The Act prohibited the recently privatised Reichsbank from continuing to discount bills and the inflation of the Papiermark immediately stopped.“

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Rentenmark

I read that the Secretary of State resigned in the US because he was angry the President was biased against Germany

>fear of communism
Bruv, they were killing Germans in the streets of south Germany. I'd say that's more a threat than fear.

>crying
Best be a girl, faggot.

Germany fucking over their European markets with the Mittleuropa concept and France and Britain falling to Syndicalism

even in America pretty much everyone was convinced that capitalism had failed and that the only options were communism or fascism or some degree of the two.

That was in the initial revolution of the spartikade in 1919.

The KPD were a largely seperate party based group, growing faster than the Nazis.

Also, you’re an obvious closet skinhead faggot.

The alternative is that all of Western Europe becomes communist, so no.

Horst Wessel

Deserved it

>here used Wikipedia unironically
EVERYBODY, POINT AND LAUGH!

Yes.

>closet skinhead faggot
I'd like to think myself a little more refined than those degenerates. I'm not exactly a National Socialist, but I do think within the next 100 years, assuming we don't go extint, Hitler will be viewed as a hero for all Europeans around the globe.

>Hitler will be viewed as a hero for all Europeans around the globe
Grug like when Hitler blow up village and kill tribe

And yet, you think hyperinflation was always in Weimar Germany.

unironic cringe

Nazi Germany was the result of Germans being butthurt about having lost WW1

It'd have happened regardless of Versailles terms, unless Germany had ceased to exist as a country

I think it's largely a myth. Things like he Great Depression and inefficient democracy was more important. Between 1930 and 1933 both the NSDAP and KPD gained a lot while SPD lost a lot of voters.

No.
People tend to forget that the Imperials were a thoroughly autistic bunch of shitwads, whose only difference from the Nazis came from not being as outwardly psychopathically murderous.
The best result would've been for Germany to be smashed to ruins (like it was 30 years later) and the Entente capturing and executing (most of) its (de facto) ruling military junta.
This way you wouldn't get a backstab myth (kinda hard to claim your back is being stabbed when you're getting howitzered in the face).
The poisonous influence Kaiserreich wartime military leaders had in post-war Weimar politics would've been eliminated (or, at least, greatly diluted).
The Entente wouldn't be able to claim substantial reparations, since there's not much you can demand from a pile of rubble, so whomever ended up in charge of the rubble would've been freed of any material obligations to the victors.
The inevitable Communist uprisings throughout the former Kaiserreich would've kept Entente troops to reasonable levels, and their men relatively well-trained, as opposed to basically shrivelling immediately after the mid-20s rolled in. Also, it would've prevented Western nations from 'normalizing' relations with the Soviet Union (like they started to do in the late-20s, while the Soviet Union was still inciting worker's rebellions) since they were directly funding the Communists in Germany (like they did IRL). Also, this might've had the effect of further draining the Soviet Union's funds (there are accounts of the early Politburo being lavishly generous to anybody wanting to start a Commie uprising) which were in relative short supply.
In the end, you'd've likely had a decade of 'pacification' (quashing Commie rebellions, mostly in Germany, but occasionally in the rest of Europe as well) followed by a long Cold War (since neither the Soviets nor European powers would've likely been unable to attack the other directly).

Why?

Engaging in political violence means you might just die, talk shit get hit

So you admit commies did kill people.

Yes, it's not like the SA didn't kill communists you know, that was how things were

>bashing the SA for killing commies
And we're supposed to hate these people?

The Right Wing terrorists killed much more people than the Communists.

>Between January 1919 and the Rathenau murder on June 24, 1922, there were a total of >376 political murders:
>354 by sympathizers of the Right:
>326 went unpunished
>1 life sentence
>90 years in prison total

>22 by sympathizers of the Left:
>4 went unpunished
>10 executions
>3 life sentences
>250 years in prison total
This also shows how biased were the German courts.

>It's OK when we do it
Should be the Wehraboo motto

Everyone that isn't a commie hates commies.

Everyone.

>the Germans were just normal peop...

>People told us that the War was over. That made us laugh. We ourselves are the War. Its flame burns strongly in us. It envelopes our whole being and fascinates us with the enticing urge to destroy. We obeyed . . . and marched onto the battlefields of the postwar world just as we had gone into battle on the Western Front: singing, reckless and filled with the joy of adventure as we marched to the attack; silent, deadly, remorseless in battle.

>This war is not the end but the prelude to violence. It is the forge in which the new world will be hammered into new borders and communities. New forms want to be filled with blood, and power will be wielded with a hard fist. The war is a great school, and the new man will bear our stamp . . .. The festival is about to begin, and we are its princes.
Right-wing authors such as Junger were much more popular in Germany than Remarque and his pacifism.

A real American would want there to be 376 executions for 376 murders.

>You will never live in the Junger becomes chancellor timeline

Don't even fucking pretend you stand for American values while defending a piece of shit degenerate like Horst Wessel

I was defending the killing of Nazis

But be honest, can anyone genuinely say what American values are? I've never left this country and there isn't a concise "America" anymore.

>began in america
No, it began in Europe, the Stock Market Crash in America just made it worse.

Kaiserreich's backstory is absolute horseshit, it's not even worth getting into.

Many people find ghengis khan to be a great man today, despite the fact he was the originator of many millions of deaths, over time history is warped and the deaths of old are put aside for the technological, cultural and economic effects of the great genocider

we used to have values. Strong ties to france and england in the later 19th century, WASP values mostly, alongside isolationism and hegemony over the Americas. Pretty much everything America represented to the world pre-world wars and then ESPECIALLY pre-hippie counter culture

if only that were a trend even slightly unique to Germany

>technological, cultural and economic effects
Like the fucking plague?

Infinitely better. The old monarchies were vastly preferable to the republics that emerged during/after.

>we used to have values
I would say we have to go back, but that America is dead. I can't see any way to revive it. We can rise again like a phoenix from the ashes, but we'll never be the same. We have to strive for something better.

dude.. The only other man in history to effect it so much is George Washington. Man that killed the Arch Duke ultimately lead to the 20th and so far 21st centuries.

Washington's impact:
>effectively starts French and Indian war
>Wins American revolution
>Inspires French revolution
>Leads to 1849 revolutions and communism/socialism

Honestly, Washington's actions have directly lead to the modern world, for better or for worse.

Fuck, you're right.

>mfw the man I was raised to pseudo-worship in school is responsible for all the atrocities of the post-Enlightenment revolutions

Not our fault Europe fucks everything up.

balkanization of the U.S. into smaller groupings of culturally similar states might be a thing in the future. other than that, the good old days of the baby boom won't happen again without another world calamity that destroy the current state of affairs without physically damaging the U.S. mainland. if we were to once more become a shining beacon of hope and rich industry in an otherwise desperate and devastated global economy, we might have another boom.

Nice Post; let's not forget that Washington was a Free and ACCEPTED mason. He knew the ins and outs. Monarchies would crumble, while the Status Quo of Modern Life occurred.

sheeeeeeeeeeeeit...

You're making me realize America has been one giant conspiracy and it's making me freak the fuck out. I didn't know the rabbit hole would lead me here...

I want out of this shit, man. This isn't fun anymore. I thought the frog guy was kinda cute, but now I just hate everything.

I liked being a normie better.

Why would you just fucking ruin this perfect border shape?

>have a romp about the states to get slightly more rights and succeed with french help
>french soldiers with american ideals go back to france, which is in a shit spot because the monarchy is useless, and topple it, creating an america-like constitution and not going crazy
>frogs do what frogs do, pseudo-communist cult takes power
>this is george's fault

Put down the blackpill, brother. It's all about the goldpill.

Fight until you're dead. Don't give in to hopeless nihilism.

If George didn't do what he did, the French wouldn't have been inspired.

youtube.com/watch?v=QrHHEdZqR8k

Given how US bureaucracy works, I don't think state balkanization is ever likely to happen outside of the event of a massive fucking economic breakdown.

In theory this makes a lot of semse, especially economically, but the kind of national feeling necessary for this just isnt there atm, the few regions with any strong seperate identity still mainly identify as american

That's interesting actually I keep forgetting Washington's impact. His thought virus of revolution spread throughout Europe and Princep solidified change by direct European action.

Wow I was gonna keep walking them I saw this tough guy over here and I turned around. What a scary dude

honestly, yeah

thing is ww1 is still happening. WW1 and WW2 were just really big battles things like the cold war and 9/11 were part of this war and if you think it is over. Not even close. This war is ideological not just killing people.

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>He doesn't think WWI isn't just the second half of the Franco-Prussian War
>He doesn't think WWII is the first half of the Cold War which should in fact be called the Lukewarm War
Sorry m8 but maybe you should try something a little more your speed

I'm going to answer the question here instead of just arguing about Jews:

It's impossible to say for sure (and it gets harder to speculate the further you go into this alternate history), but while a Europe dominated by Imperial Germany would have a great deal of problems, it would be nowhere near as bad as the havoc that Nazism and Stalinism wrought on Central and Eastern Europe. They would have much more flourishing civil societies, there would have been less ethnic cleansing and forced movement, and of course there would have been no Holocaust, meaning no Israel, meaning no Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

While America was going to overtake every European country no matter what as an economic and cultural power, Germany would still likely be the dominant power in Europe to the present day, and while France might to call to communism or an alternate form of fascism, it would be too small and economically weak to win a rematch. Eventually it would be subsumed into Germany's economic sphere. Austria may or may not eventually fall apart; if it does, it gets divided into several German client states with Austria proper and Bohemia being annexed by Germany. The Ottoman Empire would most likely collapse and Germany would try to befriend the Arab states in the Levant and try and control the Straits. It would likely try to help the Whites win the Russian Civil War after signing peace with Britain and France, but it's rather difficult to know how successful they would have been. Either way, Russia would be weaker than in our timeline and could collapse into warlord states given how fractured the White movement was. Decolonization would eventually happen, but at a much slower pace, and there might still be limited colonial empires today.

>While America was going to overtake every European country no matter what as an economic and cultural power,

Stop overrating America.

>While America was going to overtake every European country no matter what as an economic and cultural power
kek if it didn't happen now, why you'd think it happen in this alt timeline?

America was already the largest economy in the world by WWI. However, it wouldn't be the world policeman it is today.

My family got to be Danish again, so nah, I like the outcome we got more.

What's so retarded about origami?

>and since Germany was a thoroughly enlightened and mostly democratic state
kek, it tortured non-German children, engaged in genocide, and planned to ethnically cleanse millions of Poles,Jews and Lithuanians.Whole Central Europe would become German colony patterned after their exploitation in Africa.

Germany was already on course to fascism before the war.Ideas if racial superiority,need to enslave Slavs and massively ethnically cleanse Central Europe were already developed.
Imperial Germany was Nazi Germany light.
Its victory would bring a brutal racist regime to power over Europe which would enslave millions and would be universally despised by enslaved nations.
This would be used by Russia,UK,USA to build future uprising that would start next war and crush Germany.
Expect National-Communist Slavs and German border on Elbe after the war.

>in fact people forget that Germany won the Franco-Prussian war

Maybe, but even if they do you're misrepresenting the situation to such a degree that I actually wonder if you know anything about it at all. The French internal response to that war is literally where we get the term Revanchism. There was a whole party in the parliament of the prewar 3rd Republic that opposed literally everything the government did because whatever it was, be it colonial policy or religious autism or whatever the fuck Boulanger was trying to do, was getting in the way of the more important things, like 'declare war on Germany immediately to get back Alsace-Lorraine.' Imagine the sheer butthurt that the French would conjure if they lost more than just a relatively small strip of land on their shared border, or worse, ended up under German rule.

And Imperial Germany most certainly did not "govern by proxy and with due respect for the nations over which they dominated," even ignoring Hitler and focusing on just the period between the Franco-Prussian war and WW1. The German government essentially held the people in Lorraine hostage and harshly treated them in order to gain leverage over the French government when needed. Or did you mean their African colonies, where they exterminated whole ethnic groups in retaliation for cattle-raid tier provocations because the central government couldn't be assed to keep even basic track of what was happening there? No, Germans weren't soft touches, and there is no reason to believe that would have changed if they'd become even more successful.

>would the eternal Anglo being conquered and destroyed help the entire world
YES

Maybe. That period of German history was the only one where it looked like Germany wasn't a complete fuck up, If they had won they might have continued to be a proper nation and not destroy Europe.
Then again, Germans being Germans, they'd probably still mess up and spark WW2.

Quite possibly. A German victory could have led to a United States of Europe. On the other hand, the Kaiser was a fool so things probably would have gone badly.

>slavs on the brink of unification
>austriahungary gets rid of its diversity problem
>Russian bum tzar temporarily forgiven
>cousinhood restored
>everybody stronk
>german warcrimes brushed under the rug before they get out of hand
Would've been nice

forgot to mention
>america stays home
>retains hobbitton mentality
>bunch of european cousins fighting over petty shit but generally loving life instead of transforming into gigantic multi-culti juggarnaught

weak

>george washington used mind-control to crash europe with no survivors
This shit is eggs if I ever saw it.