Were there any English Templars?
Were there any English Templars?
Joseph Thompson
Easton Clark
England is an independent branch of Christianity, user.
William James
Yes, lots.
Sebastian Peterson
Not during the times of the Crusades, user. The CofE didn't split from the RC until the Reformation.
Isaac Torres
Probably quite a few, although most were likely French
Joshua Davis
Holy fucking shit, they all have French names
Wtf, weren't there ANY ethnic Anglo-Saxon Templars at all?
Christopher Garcia
Well first of all we are looking at lists of leaders not complete lists of Knights Templar and yes, obviously the English nobility at this point were primarily derived from Normans.
Luis Collins
Englishmen were much more active in the Knights Hospitaller
Gabriel Bailey
Well it's hard to tell as many Anglo-Saxons adopted Norman names for prestige.
Although it's hard to devate ethnicity, but nationally there were quite a few English templars
Oliver Gonzalez
>why did the norman and anglo-norman aristocracy have norman names
Really makes one ponder.
Leo Barnes
Not according to OP pic
I see Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards....but no Anglos
Camden Green
That's a list of grand masters
Ethan Nguyen
That's a list of Grand Masters, not a list of total members.
Easton Mitchell
Well, it seems that they weren't even Normans or born in England
en.wikipedia.org
Just pure Frenchmen born in France sent across the Channel to rule over the "English" branch of the Templars
Hunter Rodriguez
But surely if there were a lot of Anglos in the order, some of them would've become Grand Master at some point, right?
Jeremiah Torres
You've posted the bio of one, not all of them, besides which you are being illogical, if there was no English Templars there wouldn't be a branch in England to lead.
Xavier Torres
>if there was no English Templars there wouldn't be a branch in England to lead.
It looks more like they wanted to have outposts everywhere, kinda like the US military
The fact they sent Frenchmen to lead their English bases seems to imply they didn't really want anything to do with the locals tho
Mason Bell
Not necessarily, there were Templars from all over Europe. I don't see any Hungarians or Italians etc either, in fact there is only a couple of Spanish.Clearly the top leadership was primarily French but that is not what OP asked.
Isaiah Gonzalez
They weren't all French.
Charles Brown
That's silly, the Templars were crusaders, there would be no point establishing "an outpost" in England.
Jonathan Myers
They were bankers too
They established outposts in England, Spain and Germany so that they couldn't be destroyed easily
But they were still too centralized, so when their main base in France was destroyed, the order collapsed
Mason Barnes
Not really, mostly a French thing. Mos crusaders were French because the French are pious and brave whereas the English are heretical and cowardly ;)
Joseph Rodriguez
Apparently England was the only country where the Templars didn't suffer harsh penalties as they did in Europe.
King Edward refused to believe the allegations against them and some of the Templars in Europe fled to England for safety
Zachary Barnes
But the Anglos had crusaders too
Like Richard Lionheart
Easton Baker
Holy shit, and they must have started the Freemasons
Nathaniel Rivera
>but the English had French nobility too!
Ftfy
Alexander Campbell
This will not end well
Christopher Cox
I prefer to take a neutral point of view and see him as an Englishman of French extraction so as to not sound like a revisionist nor a radical Anglo
Hudson Howard
Heath is an English name.
Why does it matter to you so much anyway?
Ian Morgan
Everytime anyone mentions English knights the French revisionists desperately try to convince people they were French
Carson Sanchez
>it's now considered radical to say a man born in England is English
The absolute state of this board.
Hunter Thomas
Well that bravery had to come from somewhere since it wasn’t the Isles
Leo Bailey
Grow up you fucking child
Gabriel Hall
By what measure are you claiming the English are not brave?
Leo Long
Well, if that man never bothered to learn English language and was born from French parents who immigrated to England three years before his birth, I think calling him English is a bit inaccurate to say the least
Adam Nelson
>normans
>french
Hunter Cook
Go camp in a chokepoint with a longbow or better yet choke on this point ayyy
Josiah Watson
1. 11th century Normans were French
2. Richard Lionheart wasn't a Norman but an Angevin
Elijah Adams
>French parents
Bentley King
>Father
>Henry Plantagenet, some French Count who decided to become king of England one day as he was bored
>Mother
>Eleanor of Aquitaine, some French Duchess who married some French Count
Xavier Davis
>French
Michael Ross
>one day as he was bored
Just because you keep trying to force this meme doesn't make it true. The guy waited for his MOTHER to win a civil war for him and then wandered in to pick up the crown.
Asher Diaz
You have to be at least 18 years old to post on Veeky Forums
Caleb Gray
French, indeed
Camden Hall
Wasn't henry half English though through his mother?
Noah Carter
>Anjou is France
Jose Brooks
Nope, his mother was French
She was the daughter of a French king of England, son of William le Conqueror
>Henry I (c. 1068 – 1 December 1135), also known as Henry Beauclerc, was King of England from 1100 to his death
en.wikipedia.org
Does "Beauclerc" sound English to you?
Easton Foster
...
James Ramirez
Saying Anjou isn't France is like saying that Essex isn't England or that Hesse isn't Germany...
Xavier Lee
Don't you mean Georgian kings of England?
Justin Anderson
We're Essex and Hesse separate entities from England and Germany at the times being discussed?
Brandon Reyes
From what I know they spoke French, not Georgian
So I'll call them French
If America hadn't saved Europe during WW2, the Soviet would probably have pushed as far as England, and Stalin would indeed have been a Georgian King of England
But America prevented that
Jace Green
Who gives a shit? Clearly the French didn't much care for the Templars or they wouldn't've turned on them.
Jaxon Sullivan
I thought his mother Matilda was English?
Also something about him being descended from Alfred The Great
Michael Richardson
So all those Algerians and Moroccans taking over half of Paris are 100% French too then?
Isaac Martinez
You're confusing political borders and cultural/ethnical groups, tard
I bet you think Robert E. Lee wasn't American and that Chiang Kai-shek wasn't Chinese...
Btw, Anjou was still part of the Kingdom of France when Henry II was born
Jaxon Sullivan
>I thought his mother Matilda was English?
Nah, as stated she was the daughter of a Norman king of England
She spoke French (like her father and her sons) and had nothing English in her
>Also something about him being descended from Alfred The Great
Sounds like bullcrap s
Jonathan Davis
wrong
Matilda of Flanders
Baldwin V, Count of Flanders
Baldwin IV, Count of Flanders
Arnulf II, Count of Flanders
Baldwin III, Count of Flanders
Arnulf I, Count of Flanders
Ælfthryth of Wessex
Alfred the Great
Ryder Phillips
>Arnulf
Sounds like an Anglo-Saxon name
Ryder Sanders
Looks like Henry II was mostly French with some Flemish ancestry
Jonathan Smith
Ah yes...the famous English king
Chase Adams
you underage faggot
Jose Flores
>look mom, I'm posting on the history board of a Chinese cartoon website, I'm a big boy now
Jace Russell
>I’m gonna act like a 12 year old and there’s nothing you can do about it
Christopher Phillips
>Implying that Anjou stopped being a French fief when Henry II inherited England
Cameron Murphy
Pic related is yet another Englishman.
Julian Murphy
>French
>Spanish
No such thing as Spain existed for much of the Templar's existence, several men on the list were Catalans
Jaxon Bennett
Pic related is French art proudly displayed under the eiffle tower