Is communism to blame for this region no longer being First World

That Israel is evil and colonialist. Zionism is an aspect of white supremacy.

so you'd argue that these countries are more successful now?

so zionists are for europa? really makes me think...

No, just blacks and the liberal traitors back home

No

WTF I LOVE ISRAEL NOW?!

They effectively are, which 90% of alt righters don't understand. Israel and American Jews are very different politically, only really overlapping when American Jews (not all of them, usually just those over age 40) support the inherent ethnic violence of Zionism.

/pol/ thinks Jews are all the same, anti-white in US/Europe but ethnonationalist at home. This isn't true. Israeli nationalists don't support open border policies or national liberation in other countries, instead siding with other ethnic oppressors 9 times out of 10. The Israelis are not only friendly with Trump and Orban and Erdogan and LePen, but even support openly antisemitic leaders in Eastern Europe who oppose Putin, historically a friend to Israel's enemies abroad.

Israel only supports progressive or anti nationalist policies when it's directly beneficial to MidEast politics, like supporting the Kurds to undermine Iraq or some Sunni activists to undermine Iran.

The supposedly anti white liberal Jews in America are often vocal critics of Zionism. The most vehement American Zionists are always the right wing Jews embrace Trump's immigration policies to some extent.

Israel also looks pretty damn similar to a hypothetical ethnostate in the West.

Yes, look at Botswana.

Africa has never been first world. Shitposting about Rhodesia and BASED BOERS does not make those regimes less brutal and horrible for the vast majority of people. South Africa is by every metric a better country than it had been under Apartheid, having corrected the economic impact of white flight two times over and making substantially strides in education and wage growth, two areas in which the South African majority saw little to no improvement during Apartheid.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Israel is a right wing ethnocracy and helps out other right wing ethnocracies.

Botswana was the fastest growing economy in the world for the first 15 years after independence with Seretse Khama

this is all very convincing arguments for south africa, but I don't buy it for Zimbabwe. At least Bob is gone but for 35 years it was pretty much the worst country in the world

would you consider Botswana to be a first world country? Not being facetious, genuine question.

The thing about Zimbabwe wasn't just that he kicked out whites, he kicked out the blacks working on those farms too and gave them to cronies who had no interest in farming as a way of buying their support.

They were NEVER 1st world. That's like calling Moldova 1st world because a small minority of people are rich. No other country has this retarded "it's 1st world because only a small segment (10% tops) can enjoy that standard of living" bullshit.

South Africa has been a more hospitable country than Moldova since 1652, that's like the shittiest country in europe. Even Ghana is better than there.

Cmon you know what I meant by that for Christs sake.

>better in all metrics
I beg to differ

Economic Decline
data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa#Age_and_race_distribution
forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/03/19/a-guide-to-south-africas-economic-bubble-and-coming-crisis
fxtop.com/en/historical-exchange-rates.php
research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MABMM301ZAM189S
statssa.gov.za/?page_id=1854&PPN=P0141
childrencount.ci.org.za/indicator.php?id=1&indicator=2
news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Only-33-of-SA-kids-live-with-both-parents-20130311
ngopulse.org/article/education-south-africa-where-did-it-go-wrong
africacheck.org/spot_check/south-africas-matric-pass-rate-obscures-dropout-rate
africacheck.org/reports/is-sas-education-system-the-worst-in-africa-not-according-to-the-data/
businesstech.co.za/news/international/77737/south-africa-unemployment-1994-2015
businesstech.co.za/news/general/68842/uncovering-sa-employment-by-race
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-02-24/lamb-for-12-on-400-monthly-shows-south-africa-welfare-addiction
mg.co.za/article/2010-02-18-sa-the-biggest-welfare-state-in-world-says-economist
moneyweb.co.za/archive/less-taxpayers-than-sars-reports-solidarity
sassa.gov.za/index.php/knowledge-centre/statistical-reports?download=266:statistical-report-8-of-2014
savi.uct.ac.za/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Child-Abuse-in-SA-Rights-and-Wrongs.pdf?p=2591

Power Outages
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-07/once-lauded-eskom-now-derided-over-south-african-power-outages
iol.co.za/business/opinion/columnists/why-the-past-cannot-be-blamed-for-utility-s-woes-1.1847918#.Vci9ePnIOg0
mg.co.za/article/2015-05-21-pension-fund-bailout-for-eskom
cnbcafrica.com/179427.aspx
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskom

Affirmative Action and Skilled Workers
iol.co.za/business/companies/eskom-denies-race-bias-in-retrenchments-1.1829390#.VcipsfnIOg2
mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/121260-eskom-must-get-rid-of-thousands-of-skilled-whites.html
ewn.co.za/2015/03/11/Solidarity-fingers-Eskom-about-reaching-race-targets
adcorp.co.za/NEws/Pages/SA’seconomydesperatelyneedshigh-skilledworkers.aspx
statssa.gov.za/?p=3217
queensu.ca/samp/migrationresources/braindrain/documents/bhorat.pdf

Crime
iol.co.za/news/politics/sa-s-woes-spark-another-exodus-1.296516#.VcokrPnIP4Y
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
issafrica.org/uploads/factsheet.pdf#page=2
issafrica.org/crimehub/uploads/ISS Police Portfolio Committee 15 April 2015[1].pdf
issafrica.org/uploads/BurgerGouldNewham.pdf#page=4
issafrica.org/crimehub/uploads/ISSPolice Portfolio Committee 15 April 2015[1].pdf#page=8
fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-12/table_12_crime_trends_by_population_group_2012-2013.xls
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8668615.stm
fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-16/table_16_rate_by_population_group_2013.xls
iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/more-than-half-of-sa-s-crimes-not-reported-1.1489420#.Vb_TdPnIOg0

quandl.com/collections/society/oecd-murder-rates
issafrica.org/uploads/factsheet.pdf#page=2
issafrica.org/uploads/BurgerGouldNewham.pdf#page=4
issafrica.org/crimehub/uploads/ISS Police Portfolio Committee 15 April 2015[1].pdf#page=8
ucrdatatool.gov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#endnote_iraq
news24.com/MyNews24/The-Rape-Capital-of-the-World-20140821
issafrica.org/pubs/Papers/49/Paper49.html#Anchor-International-595
theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/12/eudy-simelane-corrective-rape-south-Africa
irinnews.org/report/84909/south-africa-one-in-four-men-rape
unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/CTS12_Sexual_violence.xls
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma_rape_trial
deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/61711/cdecotea_1.pdf
artsrn.ualberta.ca/amcdouga/Hist446_2013/Readings/The Scandal of Manhood.pdf
savi.uct.ac.za/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Child-Abuse-in-SA-Rights-and-Wrongs.pdf
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/car.824/abstract
bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21783076
apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.562?lang=en
indexmundi.com/united_states/hiv_aids_adult_prevalence_rate.html
politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/south-africas-troubles-a-diagnosis
data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN

businesstech.co.za/news/general/76322/sa-life-expectancy-declines
timeslive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2011/11/22/promiscuity-is-murdering-us
sabc.co.za/news/a/0f6047804ef4e3beb877bb1e5d06aea0/Murders-not-reported-to-SAPS:-SAIRR-20130320
africacheck.org/reports/does-sa-have-the-largest-private-security-industry-in-the-world
psira.co.za/psira/dmdocuments/research/Promoting Partnerships for Crime Prevention Between State and Private Security Providers in Southern Africa.pdf#page=25
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate#List
wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324442304578235693247074584
politicsweb.co.za/archive/1-465-road-accident-fatalities-over-festive-season

Yeah nah South Africa is fucked up.

Botswana also had a very good relationship with the British post-colonialism. They spent years learning from them and gradually transitioned into self rule. They also didn’t kick out their white population. I don’t know if them being a protectorate rather than a colony helped. They are an interesting one.

its one of the only countries with lower population density than canada

also the US is training special forces there which is pretty cool

Doesn't Botswana have some of the highest rates of HIV in Africa?

Botswana is an expensive shithole in all honesty.

t. spent a few weeks there

they should really join forces with namibia

cape town ain't exactly pennies to the pound either

Yes.

True, but most of Cape Town are actually nice and first world. Nowhere in Botswana is particularly nice, it's just not as shit as Zambia.

Not really. It still is one of the top economies of the world but the Apartheid governess failure to stop focusing on resources so hard (because lol service economy whit only a dismal 10% of your total nations population as your pool of labour for tertiary sector jobs) and the post Apartheid government not being able to remedy that issue in time meant that at the 2008 economic downturn SA took a hard hit.

>They also didn’t kick out their white population

Their white popualtion was abysmally small. The fact that it's diamonds weren't discovered until after independence meant that no white immigrants and settlers moved into the protectorate (cuz useless) which meant that it didn't turn into a colony once Britain sought out it's resources AND the implementation of polices to favor the white settler class flooding into the place if it did have it's diamonds discovered during it's protectorate/colony days.

Lack of Brits interest in Botswana meant that indigenous rule was more or less allowed to stay with minimal interference and a clean transition into a democracy.

It being worthless in it's pre-indepednace day wasa great thing in reality.

>It still is one of the top economies of the world

In Africa I mean

>one of the top economies in Africa
yeah that's not hard, even if things are going to shit in the country

>It still is one of the top economies of the world
Captain BRICS
He's a hero
Take the IMF down to zero!

Cause of diamond mines

>yeah that's not hard, even if things are going to shit in the country

Only because of Zuma which really shows how bad he was since he just got kicked out now.

Just like a lot of other nations banking on resources. Nothing exceptional.

with zuma and mugabe both out in the last 100 days do you see this region becoming significantly more prosperous?

also don't forget Angola has a shit ton of oil money, they have one of the highest GDP's in Africa but it's concentrated into the hands of like a couple hundred executives so 95% of the country stays extremely poor. They've got potential. Luanda is actually one of the most expensive cities in the world and they have one of the highest number of white people outside of South Africa

Every African country is fucked up. It was worse before the transition to democracy.

this is true. Pretty much every African country has improved quality of life compared to the colonial days. Zimbabwe might be the exception though

Rhodesia/Zimbabwe went from bad to worse, if it was good to begin with there never would've been a bush war in the first place.

hey I never said it was perfect. But it absolutely definitively was not worse than Zimbabwe under Robert Mugabe. Which was North Korea level, worse than practically everyone but Somalia and war-ravaged states. Rhodesia definitely had issues but it wasn't as bad as Apartheid South Africa.

>they have one of the highest number of white people outside of South Africa

1% woop de doo.

>Rhodesia definitely had issues but it wasn't as bad as Apartheid South Africa.

Fighting a guerrilla war isn't as bad as South Africa?

>Fighting a guerrilla war isn't as bad as South Africa?
moron South Africa was fighting a Border War of their own

Yet Rhodesia collapsed. Also discrimination wise they were about on par.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. The state that succeeded Rhodesia-- Mugabe's Zimbabwe-- is the literal definition of a failed state

F

daily reminder that Rhodesians killed nazis in wwii

the bantustans were really the beginning of the end for south africa

Might that be because they also have the highest rate of testing?

AIDS was invented by the Apartheid government in conjunction with the American CIA and introduced in distant Botswana to eradicate the exploding black population in a futile crazy hail mary last ditch attempt to resucitate minority rule, and it spiraled out of control and spread to other parts of the world.

B-But /pol/ taught me jews are anti-white

honestly you look at the jewish settlement in the levant and white settlement in southern africa... is there much difference?

They’re not.

As a Portuguese, I had no idea Israel actually supported us in the colonial war. Pretty much every country hated us for still holding onto our rightful lands

the war in angola was practically Israel vs Cuba

Why was Malawi supporting Portugal?

Yes, but they're pro-apartheid. They're only anti-white when living in white countries where the goyim won't be good slaves who support Israel

Because fuck FRELIMO

>Costa Rica, the Baltics & Romania are first world countries along with Botswana

Kys

anglo perfidy and refusal to cooperate with portugal and boers is

This
Portuhal fought hard and well as did the rhosesians, but the rest of the west abandoned them

>Boers spend their entire existence treating Anglo Saffa's like shit
>Want to join Nazi Germany in WW2
>Jan C Smuts, the only Boer with a brain is dead
>wtf why didn't Britain help them?
Fuck Boers, Rule .303 for every single one of them

Israel did betray South Africa at the last minute and agreed to sanction them, so there's that. Israeli Jews are opportunistic cunts and you should never trust a Jew to have your back.

>oh hey look the whole fucking rest of the world is decolonising
>i wonder if we should aswell
>no, instead lets fight a decades long bushwar to defend institutions the whole rest of the world has condemned
>im sure the rest of the western world will help us out

>Anglos illegally annex the Cape Colony because muh route around Africa
>after the Boers collectively fuck off to the north, Anglos once again pester them and declare war on them because some kike discovered gold there
>Anglos get BTFO and are forced to sign a peace agreement
>Anglos break the agreement and attack Boers again, this time starving their women and children to death in concentration camps to force the fighting men to surrender
>British Jews completely take over the entire mining industry in Transvaal
>Anglos keep treating Boers like shit and use them as cannon fodder in two world wars the Boers shouldn't even be concerned with
>finally, South Africa gains actual independence and Anglos promptly throw a shitfit and sanction them because they don't want to live next to rabid niggers
Anglo genocide can't come sooner, honestly. Most despicable people this world has ever seen alongside their Jew friends.

Boer's are white Jews, if you aren't an ethnic Boer they don't give a solitary shit about you
>Lose the 1st Boer war
>Lose the 2nd Boer war
>Cry and whine about muh Boer exceptionalism
>get beaten by coons led by a German in WW1
>get upset about blacks in Gideon Force in WW2
>Your entire country is based around this Boer exceptionalism when all you've ever decisively defeated are some coons throwing spears
Boers are God's joke on white man

>filthy boers thinking they deserve gold over Anglos
They got what was coming.

>Boer's are white Jews
Boer literally means farmer. Boers actually work, Jews are lazy weak faggots who abhor manual labor.

>Lose the 1st Boer war
Stopped reading there. Read a book, brainlet.

Anglos are just a race of retarded servile peasants acting like the instrument of their Jewish banker masters.

>Boers actually work
They're welfare queens wherever they go user, it's not 1905 anymore
>Boers won the 1st Boer War
I guess if you call becoming a British suzerainty a victory sure
And you LOST to them, what the fuck does that make a Boer?

If you're the idiot who unironically thought Britain won the First Boer War you should just stop posting and flog yourself with shame over being an uneducated fucking retard.

>W-we won the war!
>Which is why we let Britain dictate our foreign policy
Boer delusion is as bad as the WE WUZ KANGZ movement, fuck your Voortrekker monument is even built to resemble an Egyptian temple so it's no surprise

>fuck your Voortrekker monument
I'm no Boer but really? Low blow, that ugly thing brings in money.

>Anglo retard thinks calling 1st Boer War a Boer victory is wewuzing and delusion
inb4 you're just pretending to be retarded

>Victory is selling your own foreign relations away to a country you ran away to escape from
Boer's really do scramble for whatever they can get, read the terms of the treaty cunt

So if Britain was victorious, why was there a 2nd Boer war then? You're fucking braindead, I'm done with you.

To further cement their Chad status over the Virgin Boer

it's about freedom to their native inhabitants, not success measures in european ways

Actually answer the question you brainlet.

Because the Boers broke their obligations, like they always do

why?

...

No sweetie, it's because new deposits of gold, diamonds and platinum were discovered in Transvaal, so Anglos broke the treaty like the treacherous subhumans they are.

where do boers all live in south africa? are they spread out or concentrated?

i was just thinking if they're concentrated maybe they could have their own little country.

No, they did nothing of the sort, the London Convention said the Boer republics were subjects of the British Empire, they proceeded to discriminate against their fellow British subjects and were rightfully corrected and properly incorporated for it because of their insecurity about how the Anglo's mined better than they did

On isolated farms where they hire shady coons and then cry and whinge when they don't pay said shady coons on time and get murdered over it while also forgetting plenty of black farmers get killed for the exact same reason

you ok m8?

I'm angry, angry about Boers. All they do is bitch and whine about how great they are while taking my tax money to sit on their arse all day and do fuck all

it'll be ok
are you an anglo south african? or a black one? or other?

i'm curious on perspectives over there.