Happy Presidents Day

I'd say not causing Armageddon is enough to get you there

He's not that bad

>No separate "Post-Deity-Supreme-Universal-Being" category for James Buchanan
Why even live

Another update. Need to round things out so god tier needs more. I'm thinking Jackson. Who else would qualify? FDR? Maybe Kennedy or Truman? Idk

Help me with these stragglers.

Turman maybe just for sheer body count
JAckson's Personality was hialrious but he didnt do much besides inflate the vote and wreck the economy

>*allows two planes to collide into NYC skyscrapers*
>i-i-if you fool me wunce
>*lies about wmds in Iraq*
>shame on.... me hehehe
>*illegally invades a country that didn't attack us to find a couple autistic Muslims hiding out in a cave*
>fool me twice
>*crashes the economy while plundering the treasury for his oil and defense contractor buddies*
>y-you can't fool me again
>*lets a major American city flood and not send any assistance*
>hehehe at least I'm not Trump

Tyler can go into shit tier. Was a Whig who was expelled from the party during his term and tried to annex Texas because he wanted to add another slave state. He was a Virginian who joined the Whigs because he was appalled at the general vulgarity of Jackson and the perfidity of the Little Magician Van Buren but he was a slave state shill to the core

Also Chester Arthurt for okay tier. He was part of the New York political machine but had the good sense to preside over the introduction of Civil Service reform in the wake of Garfield's assassination being partly due to the excesses of the Spoils System

FDR is without question God tier

Demote John Adams to bad tier

Hoover bad tier

Lincoln is shit tier. Just getting elected plunged the country into war and cost thousands of lifes. An even worse president than Obummer and Drumpf.

Why the hate on Adams?

Alien & Sedition acts, he tried to kill free speech and free press.

>McKinley
>Jackson
>shit tier

Fixed it for you OP

Literally everything Adams did of note was as a founding father. His presidency was shit.

Well guess this is how it's gonna be.

>Roosevelt okay tier

Literally kill yourself

>eugenicist
>war-monger
>first successful populist presidency (Taylor may have been the first had he not died so quickly)
>introduced "progressive" politics to the USA
The only reason he isn't bad tier is because he at least was a strong, idealistic leader that managed some good change albeit at the expense of the future integrity of the nation.

where will Trump go?

God Emperor Tier

>obongo
>good

Whoops cut off the bottom there.

Also Adams moved by popular request.

Your list is complete shit and you should neck yourself

>FDR in God
Disgusting.

/pol/ arrived

Obama literally accomplished nothing other than being a nigger.

He inherited an economic disaster and most of it had reversed by the time he left office

>McKinley in bad-tier
>Coolidge in shit-tier
But that’s wrong you fucking retard.

McKinley made the US a true world power and helped get us involved in internation affairs for the first time, he literally did nothing wrong. Put him in the pretty good-tier

Coolidge presided over the Roaring Twenties, he basically did nothing and the country prospered, he belongs in the okay-tier

>everyone that disagrees with me is /pol/

Nuke yourself.

And thanks to American racism, this was an actual accomplishment. His major flaw is arguably his white heritage. Not black enough, but you have to make do with what you have.

>obongo in pretty good tier
>expanded the national surveillance apparatus
>made the middle east even more shitty
>"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon"

>OP asks for specific reasons
>Can only yell 'obongo,' 'nigger,' 'god emperor'
>Not /pol/

Sup reddit?

>McKinley made the US a true world power and helped get us involved in internation affairs for the first time
That's a bad thing you dipshit

George Herbert Walker Bush was best, we defeated commies in Cold War.

We all know Lames Pukecannon is the worst, so bad he deserves his own tier, its fair to leave Garfield and William Henry Harrison off of the list because they died too soon to really judge.

>making your country better makes you a bad leader of that country

He was ok but Reagan was the one who put the final nail in the coffin for the Soviets, they just fell after Bush got into office so I wouldnt really credit him for that, and thats why I consider Reagan to be in the top 5.

Why the fuck is Coolidge ranked below Hoover

>beginning a century of war-mongering and international meddling that would kill and enslave millions of the citizens you swore to defend makes your country better
Soviets are responsible for the death of the Soviets
Well, it's unlikely that Hoover actually caused the depression, he just got unlucky. But I think there's a general consensus that it was due to a bubble that began from the Fed during Wilson's (or perhaps Harding's) term, so Coolidge wasn't responsible really for the roaring 20's or for the crash, he just got lucky

McKinley did a bad job of expanding the United States' role on the world stage. He was unpopular, hesitant, and I hear put in office by business tycoons who didn't want William Jennings Bryan to win.

The man you can credit for making the country a world player in its early days in the world stage would be McKinley's successor, T. Roosevelt.

>Does nothing while Soviets crash and burn
>Put nail in the coffin

/pol/ pls go

Still, though he wasn't much for the Presidency, I should add that he was absolutely kino as a founding father. Give credit where credit is due

HBO series heavily recommended

>implying that we can blame McKinley for what other presidents did after he was dead

>unlikely that Hoover caused the depression
It’s not that he caused it, it’s that he did absolutely nothing and let it grow to the proportions it did. It’s likely that the depression could have been controlled had he actually done something and not stubbornly stuck to his belief that it would fix itself

Teddy did pick up the work of growing the naion’s international influence where McKinley left off, but it was McKinley who first exercised the night of the modern United States Army and Navy in the Spanish-American War and letting the world know that the nation was indeed a force to be reckoned with. He was easily get re-elected so he obviously wasn’t that unpopular, and as for being hesitant, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. He knew that his actions had consequences and was unwilling to rashly enter a war until he had a good reason, no matter how much the people wanted one.

FDR in God tier is an insult to everyone else in that tier. Pseudo-commie cripple who tried to pack the SC, unconstitutionaly expanded executive power, and permanently marred the relationship between the branches.

Not to mention he's the only faggot who thought he was too good for the two and done soft term limit. If two terms was good enough for Washington, who began the standard, then it's sure as fuck good enough for some POS, slack-jawed socialist. Wouldn't even need the 22nd Amendment if it wasn't for this dumbass and his dyke wife. Don't even get me started on her shit.

While Gorbechov did more to facilitate the collapse of the Soviet state than Reagan, it would be naive to say Reagan did nothing at all

His competitive defense spending forced the Soviets to retaliate with raising their own budgets, which only hastened their floundering economy

Though, however, you could easily peg this aspect of Reagan's legacy as a con as well as a pro, for while it did have some effect on ending the Cold War it also ramped-up spending

>implying we can't blame McKinley for his actions in Asia which directly contributed to Japanese imperialism and the rise of Chinese communism/anti-Western sentiments
Sure
>It’s not that he caused it, it’s that he did absolutely nothing and let it grow to the proportions it did. It’s likely that the depression could have been controlled had he actually done something and not stubbornly stuck to his belief that it would fix itself
Nice meme, Hoover actually spent a lot of money on trying to fix it, FDR ran on a campaign of doing the opposite until he got into office and just took Hoover's progressive policies further

>killing Gaddafi was all about oil
Yes, yes, good goy

>implying McKinley’s support of the Open Door Policy in Japan was the greatest influence in the rise of anti-western sentiment and not the fact that britain spent the last century getting the country addicted to opium, demanding islands from the Chinese, and using other forceful commercial policies to dominate the Chinese

>FDR ran on a campaign of spending and doing less to fix the depression and not directly promising to take action in the form of the New Deal
source: my ass

>Kennedy
>Pretty Good
Got killed before he had a chance to do anything except escalate the War in Vietnam. Yeah, what a hero.

>the anti white leftists is literally crying for a Hussein Obama safespace now

You mean Open Door Policy in China? I think your history is mixed up. Millard Filmore began trade with Japan. McKinley taught Japan that conquering your neighbors in pursuit of controlling resources and trade routes is cool. And are you not aware that America was involved in suppressing the Boxer Rebellion?

FDR attacked Hoover on the campaign trail for excess spending and regulation, that's a widely-known fact.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1932#General_election

>Handled Cuban Missile Crisis
>Went toe-to-toe with Nikita Khrushchev at Vienna Summit
>Ushered the United States into the Space Race, setting goal of moon landing and NASA programs invented hundreds of patents which sparked massive innovation and economic growth in the free market
>Though conjecture, had a firmer grasp on how to approach third-world and fight communism than LBJ (domestic policy savant but unequalled foreign policy maker) and Nixon (foreign affairs genius but BTFO'd by Watergate), probably would have been markedly more successful in Vietnam, recent scholarship suggests his nuanced policy was to accomplish U.S. goals but do so and get out quickly
>Forced Army and Special Forces to adopt surprisingly effective anti-guerrilla tactics, techniques proven extremely effective by CIA-controlled special forces in South Vietnamese villages, before decaying Army structure took over after his death and immediately switched to fruitless search-and-destroy missions
>Established precedent of President surrounding himself with advisory experts
>McNamara literally god-tier Secretary of Defense choice, heightened military effectiveness while actually lowering defense budget
>Literal Chad with all the hot ladies
>Devoit Catholic, but did not kiss the Pope's ring out of duty as President and representative of the United States on his trip to the Vatican

Really not much for his domestic legacy, but certainly one of America's greatest foreign policy Presidents. All he's really known for in the states was dropping his IQ 120 points in the time span of two seconds in Dallas, Texas. One can only wonder what the rest of his second term could have looked like, as well as his equally-unrivaled brother, Robert, could have done if he hadn't been bulleted.

Though, granted, he isn't perfect:
>Bay of Pigs

>Pseudo-commie
>socialist

*yawn*

>carter above reagan

>obama in the same league as john adams, James Madison and FDR

KEK. demote that nigger to okay

>LBJ (domestic policy savant
WEW
Reagan just took credit for Carter's accomplishments (e.g. deregulation) and Gorbachev's accomplishments (Soviet seppuku)
Obama didn't ruin the country like FDR did

Fuck, I mistyped as Japan. Obviously I know the policy existed in China, I mentioned the Opium Wars and European involvement in China.

Sure, the US was involved, but so were most European nations too. Neither imperialism itself nor gunboat diplomacy in China was begun by the US, let alone McKinley. Can he really be blamed for doing what was widespread and considered acceptable at the time?

Memes aside, how can Polk possibly be considered "okay"? Either you think his expansionism was justified in which case he was pretty great, or you don't in which case he was kinda bad.

What a thoughtful critique. Thanks for enlightening us, Comrade.

>Woodrow Wilson
>Andrew Jackson
Hello, Federal Reserve.

>James K. Polk just okay

>Can he really be blamed for doing what was widespread and considered acceptable at the time?
Yeah he can. American presidents had a long record of staying more within the interests of continental issues, plus killing the occasional pirates and whatnot here and there. He tasted the fruit.
The Federal Reserve was already basically already underway starting with JP Morgan's first bailout under Cleveland. Wilson just made it official.

He's adored by those who know just a tiny bit more than the average person and think this makes them knowledgeable. In their hands his accomplishments become divorced from their context and memefied "did everything he said he would! stepped down after 1 term! kicked mexicos ass! completed manifest destiny!"

He's like the favorite president of people who understand history like its a Cracked.com list.

>USA had no reason to enter ww2

>Tojo never attack Pearl Harbor

>Hitler never declared war

>Dubya
>Okay Tier

Place Obama in shit tier

>warmonger a lot
We embargoed Japan because we wanted them to stop conquering a bunch of shit right next to our colonies and right across from our homeland. What else would you have us do?

Oh please, American colonialism didn’t start with him anyway. Most of America’s Pacific assets were acquired in the mid 1800s. Midway and Alaska were both obtained within ten years of the end of the Civil War.

Is the right supposed to be literal whos?

best presidential quotes

>"did everything he said he would! stepped down after 1 term! kicked mexicos ass! completed manifest destiny!"
I mean, everything you said is true but.... he still did those things. Just because something becomes a meme doesn't mean the opposite is true.

>john Adams
>Obama
>Eisenhower
>Carter
>Truman
None of them were "pretty good"

>James Monroe
>Wilson
Both of them deserve higher. Monroe deserves God tier

>Taft
>McKinely
both deserves higher

>Nixon
Needs to be in shit

>Benjamin Harrison
He belongs in the Okay tier

>Raegan
>good
Permanently destroyed California

>John Adams
>Can't consolidate power for the Federalists
>Fucks up talks during the XYZ Affair
>Takes a massive dump on the economy, even after centralization through the constitution
>Idealizes Washington
>Can't keep the Ultra-Feds in check

He managed peace talks with the French and that's about it that I can think of.

He shouldn't be Shit Tier, but honestly Bad Tier- at most, Okay Tier. He tried hard, just like JQA. All of the Adams family did in their careers, and I give them credit. But, by and large, his failures outweigh his successes.

James K Polk is literally the best president we have ever had, and if you say otherwise you are retarded

Obama didn't save capitalism in America like FDR did

Have you ever read a book about specifically about antebellum American history or a biography about Polk in particular? Serious question because it seems to me that the vast majority of people who hail Polk as one of the best presidents ever have not.

>Coolidge not god tier

Big gov bootlicker detected.

Bullet train to bad tier. Maybe not shit tier, but there's a lot left to be desired.

Supreme Court Packing, Japanese Internment, and letting Stalin get away with whatever he wanted kind of count against him.
I'd almost want to have OP make a "Shits Complicated " category for him and a few others.

The thing is, FDR did it INTELLIGENTLY. With much precision in his buying of farm stocks.

To be completely honest, you don't see that kind of intelligence in economic management anymore. Barack Obama just kind of lazily gave out his stimulus package and haphazardly applied Keynesian concepts with no real regard.

I am at least happy to see that both Obama and Trump invested heavily in infrastructure, but that was the best things they did... everything else was stupid party bullshit.

No, but I'm not American so it's never really been a particular interest of mine. Having said that I really should learn more about it, so thanks for motivating me to do some more reading.

In general I find this whole business of rating presidents kinda silly, as it's so difficult to separate the effects of good or bad decisions from things that just happened to occur during a particular presidency. But if you just look at the latter then it seems hard to argue that Polk isn't pretty high up the list.

fuck california

I think if you did you'd find that Polk as an individual was all things considered an unremarkable politician, a middling executive and a third-rate mind as far as US presidents go.