Euro-centrists shilled muh Roman Empire

>people who don't study history actually believe this

I do, you’re a clueless tard Who can’t provide arguments

You don't, the achievements of the Achaemenids are some of the most entry level shit their is in history that everybody knows and it's beneath my dignity to regurgitate it.

They didn't advance shit. The Romans fucking built hundreds of massive aqueducts all over Europe, north Africa in the near East running for hundreds of kilometers, they built hundreds of cities with massive amphitheaters of sies never seen before, built sofisticated baths everywhere, produced a quantity of metal per year not reached even remotely by any other empire before them or even contemporary to them, they were the shit. They greatly improved the infrastructures wherever they went.
What the fuck did the Achmaenids do? Apart from submitting cities that already exised what the fuck did they improve? How can you even dare to compare them to a massive civilization force like the Romans?

>Achaemenid
>Not Arsacid

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Not that guy but I have time to spoonfeed you. The Achaemenids built the city of Persepolis to serve as their capitol, and many others. It was a marvel for its time, and it stayed in continuous use until it was destroyed during siege by Alexander. They also had a functional postal system, and roads comparable in quality to Roman works but hundreds of years earlier. Their administrative system was also copypasted by Alexander's empire and the Diadochi after him, and later adapted with modification by Rome. Much of it has been lost because of time, Islamic iconoclasm, and marauding steppeniggers by now but the Old Persian literary corpus was comparable to that of classical Greek in size and scope and definitely had its influence on the world.

Reminder that East Africans are mulatto spawn of Middle Eastern farmers and black women.

That should be old Persian, meaning the period in general rather than the literal langauge Old Persian.

The Achaemenid Empire lasted only 220 years. Rome lasted for 2206 years.

I'm not saying they didn't build cities, (it's spelled capital anyway) I'm saying they didn't make any progress, they didn't improve the living conditions of the people they conquered unlike the Romans, yeah they had a capital, each major Roman city is infinitely more monumental than Persepolis ever was, even those in their fucking periphery like Cologne, that's what's amazing about them, they built infrastructure on a massive scale fucking everywhere, the Perians conquered what they conquered built some shit in their area and that's it, the Romans built giant cities with infrastructure better than that of Persepolis in areas where people where basically living in small villages before they came, they exported civilization everywhere, and they greatly improved the already civilized places they conquered building more and better infrastructure and connecting them even more with the rest of the world

>Roads comparable in quality to Roman works but hundreds of years earlier.
>Their administrative system was later adapted with modification by Rome.

Persiaboos actually believe this shit.

>There are people this retarded willing to spout their ignorance

hate maps where water is portrayed white and land is any color.

show us what nations later prospered thanks to achaemenid influence. What people were uplifted? What philosophies were advanced?

>I-i’ll call him stupid that’s a great argument!!!

Pathetic, Romans were better in everything, in architecture, in their craftsmanship, infrastructure and in their literature, and they actually were a force of progress

They facilitated trade between Europe and South Asia and acted as a Third Power between Rome and Persia.
Not mind blowing, but neat nonetheless.

Persians were the Romans were the students. The student may have defeated the master, but only with the master's discipline.

The problem with Achaemenid history is that we know so little about it, unlike Rome, whose history is well recorded in comparison. However, anyone who claims the Achaemenids weren't great is full of shit. Even the Greeks begrudgingly admired them for most of its history.

Nah the master was Alexander who wrecked Persians

Rome never defeated any of the various Persian Empires though. Not permanently anyway.

Is that why Arminius betrayed Rome? Because he saw what they did to people they conquered?

This.

In my view, if written records are as scarce as they are, that generally is a huge civilization-measuring metric that they have failed at. It's not a good thing when the majority of your history has to be read from the people you failed to invade and who eventually ended up taking you over.

While it's true that the ancient Iranians favoured an oral tradition of history, the Achaemenids quickly became acquainted with written history after conquering various peoples. Ancient historians speak at length of various kings employing scribes and what not to write down various things related to state affairs and history and Ctesias claimed that he used as the source of his Persika "the facts about each kings," which he found in the "royal records".

The problem has to do more with maintaining these records than writing them down. It's said that most important manuscripts were burned in Persepolis.

*Blocks your path

Babylonians were the masters Persians were the students. The student may have defeated the master, but only with the master's discipline.

The Assyrians were the masters Babylonians were the students.

The Persians didn't lose their records because of people they failed to invade. They didn't have a successor civilization after the Sassanids fell, and obviously this results in a loss over time of records.

If you study the Middle Persian literature, you'll find it is just as extensive as Roman literature, with a ton of famous centers of learning for medicine, philosophy etc. The Achaemenids as mentions did favor the oral tradition, but the loss of their and their successor civilizations' records really has to do with the lack of anyone being around to transmit and preserve them. The Shahnameh is a compilation of all that was left after those centuries of neglect, and anyone studying it will notice that its really the "cliffnotes" of a much more developed mythological and cultural literature.

>Achaemenids as [] mentions did favor the oral tradition, but the loss of their and their successor civilizations' records really has to do with the lack of anyone being around to transmit and preserve them.

Modern Aramaic continues to have this problem.

Everything is fragmentary.

>Achaemenids
>bronze age

>if written records are as scarce as they are, that generally is a huge civilization-measuring metric that they have failed at
What is others destroying their shit

Exactly how I feel about history being rewritten that feelsshits like you were ever welcome here. You destroy the evidence with your little flood.

wat

Why does every Middle East Empire conquer Crimea and/or whatever the UAE was called back then?

If you're really so new that you honestly don't know what I'm talking about, then just go back.

How do you think they maintained Empire that big for centuries?

>Modern Aramaic
Yup. Fuck Catholics and fuck Muslims for making everything so damn hard to preserve.
t. Syriac Orthodox

>Syriac
You're just an Arab

>they didn't improve the living conditions of the people they conquered unlike the Romans
How about abolishing slavery? Roman Empire wouldn't have even born without massive exploitation of conquered tribes.

What are you talking about?

>The Achmenids only spread war and violence and made no improvements

bizarro earth

You're babbling incomprehensibly, my dude.

Reddit spacing between my cranium and jaw whenever I read your posts.

Just so you know, Aramaic is not mutually intelligible with Arabic. I'm not sure, but I think the forms spoken by Syriac Orthodox are closer to Arabic but still unintelligible.

And anyway, that's the name of the Church.

>doesn't even know what reddit spacing means
You're the one who needs to go back.

>Euro arrives
>*Destroys your empire*
Oh, pardon me

>Gets stopped by 300 Gayreeks at a mountain pass
>Then proceeds to get BTFO in the war
Some "greatest" empire you have there

>Literally the Ahmed empire

If you're white and you like this nigger bullshit you should hang yourself.

It's funny cause Rome and Byzantium did it too, even if Crinea was only a vassal at some points. It's probably because of how strategic the peninsula is, with several ports on the Black sea.

As for Hormuz, it is the shortest distance across the Persian Gulf and controls access to it. So both are strategic coastal areas.

You stupid fucking cunt. You idiot.

1. You didn't get it.
2. You didn't just not get it, but
3. You don't know why we say go back.
4. If I don't know what reddit spacing is, you moron, then
5. How do I have to "go back"?
6. You don't just have to go back. Go back and
7. Wallow in your filth. And even if
8. You're acting or trolling or whatever, then your utter fucking failure shows that
9. You are not from here and
10. You have no reason to be here.

Reddit spacing above my jaw has doubled. The thought experiment of communicating with another random faggot desperate to fit in continues.

Cringe.

Ethnically, we're related yes. I don't see how that's an insult.

I can understand a little of Arabic, mostly its loanwords though. I've had much easier time learning written Biblical Hebrew than Arabic - I know a bit of both.

Also btw, the Syriac church was popular among Mongols, and still is popular with some Indians.

You literally have autism, don't you?

To be fair after the fall of the achaemenids persia was ruled by the greeks (who might have a vested interest in destroying persian records) for centuries and then ruled ravaged by steppeniggers nonstop so its possible that a lot of persian literature didnt survive if it existed

>who might have a vested interest in destroying persian records
Not really.

>then ruled ravaged by steppeniggers nonstop Lol this is so far from true. After the Greek period, they were ruled by Parthians (who were steppe-niggers, but were Iranic and Zoroastrian too, and patrons of Persian culture). Then the Sassanids, who were a highpoint of culture for the Persians. At the time of the Sassanids, plenty of information about even the Achaemenids was known.

And after that, it was the Arabs. The steppeniggers would be a long time after that....

>Not really.

>The Book of Arda Wiraz, a Zoroastrian work composed in the 3rd or 4th century, describes Persepolis' archives as containing "all the Avesta and Zend, written upon prepared cow-skins, and with gold ink", which were destroyed. Indeed, in his Chronology of the Ancient Nations, the native Iranian writer Biruni indicates unavailability of certain native Iranian historiographical sources in the post-Achaemenid era, especially during the Parthian Empire. He adds: "[Alexander] burned the whole of Persepolis as revenge to the Persians, because it seems the Persian King Xerxes had burnt the Greek City of Athens around 150 years ago. People say that, even at the present time, the traces of fire are visible in some places."[11][12]
Excuse the wikipedia.

And just like a mongol burns the capital out of pure, selfless savagery

The burning of Persepolis is a hotly debated issue, regarding the motivations. Its not clear at all that the Greeks wanted to suppress Persian culture, were just vengeful, or simply made questionable calls when drunk.

The incident was also pretty isolated. Greeks during the Seleucid period just ended up setting up some cities in the East and didn't really fuck with Persian culture or religion.

True, but the point remains that many details about the Achaemenids were lost forever and not because they were shit at record keeping. Arabs and steppeniggers wouldn't have helped with that either.

I wasn't the guy claiming it was because they were bad at recordkeeping, I was .

Yes, plenty was destroyed in Persepolis, but its not like it was the only city in the Empire, and was not at all the only cultural center. I guess I was speaking more about Persian culture (folklore, religion, literature), rather than information on the Achaemenids themselves. The latter was indeed hit much harder by this incident.

Keep in mind that Iranian culture was not just Persian - Avestan and all the East Iranian culture stayed totally fine until the comparatively late conquest of Central Asia by the Abassids.

slaves.

The Roman empire

I was mostly referring to the seljuks, khwarezmids, mongols, timur etc

You seemed to imply that after the Greeks, the next step was steppeniggers. The first of those would be the Seljuks. So, what happened from 250BC to 1040AD? The Arabs were pretty much just as bad or worse as the horseniggers - the latter at least ended up Persianized many times.

Um no sweetie. My parents are from Turkey and they don't speak ar*bic

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While I disagree with your view of Achmenids, the Roman Empire is THE most importan and infulential political entity to ever have existed.

They weren't a literary society in comparison to the Greeks. They were far more logarithmic.

I was being "autistic" on the Internet while you were in your diapers, now go back you fucking slimeshitwormfaggot.

Yeah

Bump

>long stick
>phallic
>pretend architecture
Something something BBC something mud huts something something KANGZ etc

I bet you thought this non sense was a laugh riot when you vomited it out

Whiter than you achaemenid

Triggered much? Also no, I've been here longer than you.

>whiter

BIG

>the capital out of pure, selfless savagery
What is the burning of the Parthenon ?

But of course you've been here for a while. You're not just some clueless garbage dumped here that I'm worrying too much about, no no no, you're one of that small number of cancerous oldfags whose low quality of posting that you got away with because you fit in and kissed ass is the #1 thing which led us to what this place is now, led us to that clueless reddit garbage getting dumped here daily for freaking years. Yeah I've seen your kind around. You tell me which is worse. Fucking /b/tard.

Fuck off

Wasn't that reaction to the Greeks burning Sardis?

Bump

>Euro-centrists
Back to r*ddit

>meme empire

Because he was a forest ape who got whacked by his own people a few years later in a petty dispute

That's not the Mongol shits.

Holy shit man calm down and read a book

Autism: the post.

The funnies thing about your autistic outrage is that I still don't know what triggered you. You claimed reddit spacing but there wasn't any. You obviously have some deep internal issues you need to deal with. Preferable with suicide.

>You claimed reddit spacing but there wasn't any.

Reddit spacing increases. My mouth is about to break seeing how you are essentially illiterate.