Dumbest commanders in history?

Post 'em.

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Debateable on whether his actions were dumb in WW2 or not, he certainly was responsible for a prolong war in Korea, pushing too far for China to intervene.

Although he made Libya one of the 'richest' nations in Africa, he still lost to some rebels in Chad, giving up a strip of land under international pressure later.

He was so inept during WW2 he earned the nickname "Dugout Doug", he had months knowing that the Japanese were advancing on Manilla and proceeded to fuck off and not fortify his positions at all until, big surprise, the japanese landed there.

>DUDE JUST REPLACE ALL THESE DARKIES WE'VE SPENT THE LAST SIX WEEKS TRAINING FOR THIS CRUCIAL MISSION WITH A BUNCH OF DRUNK IRISHMEN LMAO

Meade legitimately should've been executed for incompetence.

what

That right there is proof positive of how much racism had infested America. They pulled the troops they'd been training for weeks (initially because they thought they were disposable) because they realized that "OH SHIT NIGGERS ARE GONNA BREAK THROUGH THE CONFEDERATE LINES AND GET ALL THE GLORY THIS CANNOT STAND", so they pulled them and replaced them with white soldiers (who were still disposable) who had zero training in the special mission. And then LO AND BEHOLD, the dudes who didn't spent weeks training how to make an assault through a giant bomb crater you just blew up couldn't make the assault! So you commit the original disposables, but by then the Rebels have recovered from being blown the fuck up and just kill everyone.

And he still got Burnside to take the blame for it.

Who the fuck (if i am reading up on the right person here) sends only tanks into a city with no infantry?! Was the Yeltsin years really that stupid and inept?

Bullshit

Bait

Brainlet

Out

>MacArthur
>not a horrible commander in 1941

If he hadn't dispersed his supplies around Luzon like an idiot and followed his original plan of holding at Bataan, he could have tied up an entire Japanese army for years. And then there's the fact he let his entire fucking air force, the single greatest concentration of American air power anywhere in the world, get destroyed on the ground on the first day of the war.

Dugout Doug objectively singlehandedly cost America the Philippines, and solely responsible for the greatest American defeat since the Battle of fucking Chancellorsville.

How about five.

Washington
Hitler

Stalin and his bitch Timoshenko

>he certainly was responsible for a prolong war in Korea, pushing too far for China to intervene.

Haberdasher, please.

The U.S./UN had broken the Communists in the late spring of 1951 and were poised on rolling them right back across the Yalu, when Truman took Stalin’s obvious bait of a cease fire, the purpose of which was solely to allow the battered remnants of the Chinese forces in Korea to be reequipped and reinforced, turning the war into a brutal WWI style stalemate that left the Norks in control of half the country to this day.

And now they’ve got nukes and will never leave...

Luigi "try a twelfth time"

t. Lee

holy fucking shit, my sides

Economically speaking he wasn't stupid but all the terrorist groups and incidents he sponsored were a giant, fucking stupid mistake.

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>No one posted him yet

Normie

t. *nglo

he was stupid near the end, his insane rants at the UN prove it, also he was totally amoral as evidenced by his literal rape dungeon

do Americans actually believe that Qaddafi had a rape dungeon?

>I will take all the forts to appear in the news , that shall help me win the war

>hey, let's just rush Warsaw and stretch our supply lines so much that literally every drunk polack with a gun can fuck up our logistics
>hey, let's just rush Helsinki with nothing but conscripts, it's a new meta, they won't stand a chance
>hey, let's just ignore reporst from our intelligence, Hitler won't attack us while he's dealing with England, he's not htat stupid
Sometimes I think he actually knowingly
tried to fuck Russia up as hard as he could.

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he wasnt dumb at all. lee was a turtling ass bitch

yeah he literally stated as much on several occasions

>[The] Great-Russian chauvinist spirit, which is becoming stronger and stronger owing to the N.E.P., . . . [finds] expression in an arrogantly disdainful and heartlessly bureaucratic attitude on the part of Russian Soviet officials towards the needs and requirements of the national republics. The multi-national Soviet state can become really durable, and the co-operation of the peoples within it really fraternal, only if these survivals are vigorously and irrevocably eradicated from the practice of our state institutions. Hence, the first immediate task of our Party is vigorously to combat the survivals of Great-Russian chauvinism.

but something changed during the war and he became a committed Russophile perhaps after witnessing all the sacrifices Russians made while everyone else sat on their ass.

>Failing to capture one tiny city with open gates just because one chink is playing harp

This

Stupid bastard also dropped the ball after Gettysburg and Cold Harbor and had the gall to blame it on his subordinates.

At least Lee blamed only himself for the disaster at Gettysburg.

Toss Ledlie in with him.
>hey James I took the niggers off the mission, your boys are going in instead
>Thanks George, in celebration I'm going to keep on drinking all night and not tell them shit about what to expect

Regime change was never a goal of the Korean War

>Leave the Indians to me

Fuck up nigger I will literally kill your family

Georgie Jewkov

Grant approved of it. Meade wasn't any worse than plenty of other generals and politicking was the most important element of the war at that time. It was critical Lincoln be re-elected and the support for the war was lower than ever after the failure and bloodshed of the Overland Campaign. They lacked confidence in the plan as a whole and felt it was likely to be another failed assault.

Whatever you say. If it doesn't work according to plan and they get slaughtered, you would be making the same argument from the other side.

>If he hadn't dispersed his supplies around Luzon like an idiot and followed his original plan of holding at Bataan, he could have tied up an entire Japanese army for weeks
FTFY. It's not like WPO-3 envisioned holding Japan for more than 6 months, nor did it have provisions for the rather large number of local Philippine troops that would have to be crammed into it. The Bataan position crumbled almost as soon as the Japanese started using their heavy artillery, and if the entire force is concentrated there, the Japanese are going to start their own deployments there, and not be trying to stamp out everywhere at once.

>Okay we're going to attack Serbia soon
>Russia is probably going to get involved
>Russia's army is much larger and more technologically advanced than ours
>Germany is counting on us to deter Russia so that they can focus on France
>So let's send the majority of our units to Serbia instead of holding them in reserve to fight Russia
>Hmmm.....Russia appears to be mobilizing,
>Serbia is still the bigger priority, send even more units to Serbia!

>still being butthurt you lost because of rain
Lol, get fucked Zhuge

His big plan to roll them back across the yalu involved chucking nukes around, which Truman rightly fired his ass for.

>Okay boys, we're going to attack Russia through the Caucasus mountains, beginning in late October
>German military advisers are telling me that it is probably a bad idea.
>Visit front to inspect the troops
>They completely lack winter jackets and other equipment necessary for fighting in mountains, many lack even shoes
>The field commander, my most experienced general, asks to speak to directly to me.
>He knows this area better than anybody else in the Ottoman army.
>He tells me that this idea can't possibly work, that it will be a disaster.
>I tell him to do it anyway.
>He immediately pulls a letter out of his jacket, and hands it to me.
>It's a letter of resignation, he's so convinced that this plan will fail he'd rather resign than be a part of it.
>Replace him with somebody much younger, with far less experience.

>The Bataan position crumbled almost as soon as the Japanese started using their heavy artillery

After starving on quarter rations for almost 3 months. There were several times when the USAFFE could have broken out of Bataan, but they were too poorly supplied to exploit those chances.

>the Japanese are going to start their own deployments there, and not be trying to stamp out everywhere at once
Not so. They still needed to invade and the whole island to take control of it, even if they were all going to wind up at Bataan anyways. Regardless, since the Japanese didn't know about WPO-3 or that MacArthur had abandoned it, I don't see how him sticking to it would have changed their invasion plans.

All these Union Commanders and no mention of John Pope. Guy was a literal fucking retard.

Also Santa Ana.

Proceeds to completely lose twice even though having complete superiority in arms, officer ratio, logistics, numbers and every tangible tool, method and aspect of warfare.

>Whatever you say. If it doesn't work according to plan and they get slaughtered, you would be making the same argument from the other side.

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. That doesn't make it any less retarded to pull the shock troops you had been training for months for this very unorthodox attack just because you don't want them to get the credit and replace them with utterly unprepared infantry.

>Regime change was never a goal of the Korean War
That's not really true. The UN task force fully intended to re-unify the peninsula under President Rhee's leadership up until the point where China got involved, at which point priorities started shifted drastically.

>Regime change was never a goal of the Korean War

Initially the plan was just to drive the North Koreans out of the south but with the success of the Inchon Landing and the rout of the North Koreans, Truman’s policy changed to liberating the entire Korean peninsula but then with the entry the Chinese into the war, Truman again vacillated and Stalin suckered him into a cease fire that the Communists never had any intention of maintaining.

>His big plan to roll them back across the yalu involved chucking nukes around, which Truman rightly fired his ass for.

Macarthur may have wanted nukes but he wasn’t given control of them nor would they have been needed in the summer of 1951, as the Chinese had no way of stopping a U.S. conventional strategic bombing campaign against rail lines, staging areas and supply dumps within China.

He’s a god tier genius at defeating the wops

>Chinese had no way of stopping a U.S. conventional strategic bombing campaign against rail lines, staging areas and supply dumps within China.
The United States did not have enough bombers in the area to conduct a conventional bombing campaign against Manchuria. This is something that Truman never said publicly, of course, but it was an important factor in his decision making process. The majority of American military aircraft were stationed in Europe to discourage Stalin from trying to push any further west, and Truman wasn't willing to approve any plan that would involve transferring aircraft from Europe to Asia.

Truman was always concerned with the possibility that the situation in Korea might be a diversion, and that perhaps the Soviets were planning to make a push into western Europe while so many American troops were tied up in Korea. For this reason, he was always afraid of committing too many resources to Korea. His generals, MacArthur excluded, were basically in agreement with him on this, that it was absolutely not acceptable to do anything that might weaken America's position in Europe for the sake of Korea.

MacArthur's point-of-view was very different. In his mind, the Korean situation was far more important than anything going on in Europe at the time. He believed that losing Korea would mean also mean losing Japan and Formosa. MacArthur was quite proud of his work in Japan, and he had no intention of allowing the commies to do anything that might spoil what he'd accomplished. He was also very old by this point in his life, and he must have been aware that this was going to be his last war, simply because his biological clock was running out of time. This, therefore, was his last chance to make his imprint in the history books, and a man of his ego surely wanted to leave as deep and wide of a mark as his position allowed.

This
People tend to forget why murrica didnt just go all out in a war in Asia is because of Europe
They need to read about realpolitik and geostrategy

> > Chinese had no way of stopping a U.S. conventional strategic bombing campaign against rail lines, staging areas and supply dumps within China.
> The United States did not have enough bombers in the area to conduct a conventional bombing campaign against Manchuria.

The U.S. didn’t have to bomb all of Manchuria, just the route from China into N.Korea and in 1951, there was only only one way in. Even today, the border is a howling wilderness.

> Truman was always concerned with the possibility that the situation in Korea might be a diversion

The Soviets had only detonated their 1st nuke in 1949 and their second wouldn’t happen until Sept.1951 and Stalin knew full well they’d be nuked by the U.S. if they threatened Europe and only agreed to support the N.Koreans after Mao agreed to send a bazillion Chinese to die in Korea.

China meanwhile, had literally just concluded a bloody civil war, after being repeatedly raped by the Japanese for eight years straight and were in absolutely no position to resist a U.S. bombing campaign.

Truman was a bumbling, flip-flopping incompetent who lucked his way into the White House then massively fucked up in Korea and blamed it on MacArthur.

>when you're so indecisive and cowardly you lose 4 major battles against japs in a row (battle of liaoyang was impossible to lose and he did it anyway) and singlehandedly ruin all chances for Russia to win
>then you do the same thing in WWI

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Do you think he realizes the error of his ways when he got a knife shoved up his ass?

In all seriousness, why did he send them with no supplies? Did he think they would just defeat russia before winter?

>In December 1950 the US nuclear stockpile consisted of 450 weapon but only some 100 bombers.

The US nuclear war plan in case of war with the Soviet Union, code named DROPSHOT, reserved 300 of these weapons and all 100 bombers.

Assuming a small portion of nuclear-capable bombers had been assigned for actions against China, let’s say 20, these would have had to penetrate Chinese air defences which had been augmented by Soviet MiG-15 Interceptor Regiments.

The MiG-15s were more than capable of shooting down the US long-range bombers, in December 1950 they shot down a reconnaissance version of the B-29 (RB-29) over the Sea of Japan.

In conclusion, The US wouldn’t have been able to use nuclear weapons against China as their bombers couldn’t penetrate air defenses.

Q:

If General MacArthur had gotten his way and was approved to use nuclear weapons and allowed to invade China during the Korean War, who would have won?

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The communist bloc, no doubt.

What MacArthur didn’t know was that, although the US had 450 nuclear weapons in 1950 (when he wanted to go nuclear), they only had some 100 nuclear-capable bombers.

They could have attacked targets in China as there would have been limited fighter cover available, but it would have been almost impossible to penetrate Soviet Air Defences. Any attack against China would have resulted in a Soviet offensive against Western Europe (we got the war plans).

With only 450 atomic bombs (no hydrogen bombs yet) and only 100 bombers, the US could have attacked China, or stopped a Soviet advance into Western Europe, but not both.

Occupying all of China, even after a nuclear offensive, would have been almost impossible, the Japanese can testify to that.

From 1945 (Overall War Plan) to 1962 (SIOP-62), all US war planning focused on a nuclear strike against the Communist Bloc followed by an invasion to liberate Western Europe, dismantle the Soviet Union, and from 1949 onward, roll back the Revolution in China.

Of course MacArthur didn’t know about these plans bu the Joint Chiefs weren’t going to commit their nuclear forces unless the result would be something more tangible than nuked communist cities.

1. His plans called for the troops to advance so quickly that they could take whatever they needed from Russian villages and defeated Russian armies. His timetables basically assumed that his soldiers could move at superhuman speed. You know how in shooter games, your character usually resupplies himself by just picking up ammunition from dead enemies? Enver apparently thought the same system could be applied to an entire army, and that Ottoman units could resupply themselves by taking whatever they needed from dead Russians.

2. He put WAY too much stock in the idea that Russian Muslims living in the area would come out in droves to help support the Ottoman army. It's true that this particular area had a very large Muslim population, but they were still a minority, and most were very reluctant to help the Ottomans, not because they had any real love for Russia, but out of a very understandable fear of what the Russians might do to them in retaliation. Tsarist Russia was a very big fan of mass deportations when it came to dealing with rebellious Muslim populations.

Oh, and I forgot something very important. The Battle of Tannenberg was a very recent event when this was happening. This made the Russians look very weak. Also, at the same time the Germans were starting get angry that their Ottoman allies weren't doing enough. The German government was starting to say things like "Look, Ottomans, we're not going to keep giving you money and weapons if you're just going sit on your lazy asses and not contribute to the war." Enver wanted to prove to Germany that the Ottomans were a worthy ally. The Germans were telling him to do something, so he did something. It just didn't work out like he planned.

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