There was no armenian genocide by the ottomans

>Jews were trying to destroy germany

Thanks for the proof Heinrich

Social bandwagoning, not that difficult especially when its a minority thats more likely to form a network based on snowflake association

That is precisely what all of the west was trying at that point in time

>few thousand armenians literally fight guerilla style against the ottomans to remove current rulers of the land
>be surprised when eveyone of that nation is held accountable
Next time multiple minorities seek to destroy your almost collapsed nation, by all means only directly kill all those directly responsible. But understand not every one has the time/patience/ability for that.

>Ottoman empire was a nation

...

>splitting hairs
calling it an empire at that stage would also require quotation marks.

>"Good propaganda does not need to lie, indeed it may not lie. It has no reason to fear the truth. It is a mistake to believe that the people cannot take the truth. They can. It is only a matter of presenting the truth to people in a way that they will be able to understand."

ahem

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918–19

Jews were the ones who opposed to it.

[citation needed]
[meanwhile leaders of spartacist league and founders of KPD were jews]

>.m
Phoneposters OUT

If you don't have the time/patience/ability not to commit genocide because a nation wants to rule itself then you should fucking genocide yourself.

I know you're shitposting but genocide doesn't have to be about race.
>committed treason
There were slaughters of Christian minorities in Anatolia well before WW1.
Genocide during WW1 had nothing to do with ''treason'', it was an intentional destruction of Christian minorities in Anatolia for nationalist purposes.
Same with Muslim minority in Balkans previously I guess.

This, although it was mostly Kurds doing the ethnic cleansing towards the Assyrians. This was going on for a long time even before WW1 started.

That would be coubter productive though.

1.5 million gets killed by some peasants with pitchforks
>The Armenian Genocide

12 million get killed by systematically not being fed
>The great famine of Holodomor

100 million get killed and their land gets stolen
>Thanksgiving day

the indian population was only 10 million and 9 million died from small pox.

>this is what Americucks actually believe

>Some G*rmanic Jews start a revolution in Germany, backed by the Goyim, therefore random uneducated Polish Jews with not a penny to their name are conspiring against Germany and need to be murdered

why does everyone talk about the 6 million in the holocaust when we really should be focusing on the 900 billion that small pox killed in north america? Small pox is a crime against humanity

>Their mass slaughter was never - ever
But it was
Do you think little Armenian children and old ladies were frequently committing acts of terrorism against the Ottomans or something?

>hey everyone look how retarded I am!

>Armenian children and old ladies
But they were never killed by the Ottomans. Adult Armenian separatists stole the food and supplies of the local populace which lead to starvation.

The Ottomans were literally being invaded by the Brits in the west, the French and Brits from the south and the Russians from the east, they didn't have the resources to waste time/ammo fighting civilians. The Ottomans only killed Armenian rebels and that's why the Armenians who didn't rebel (like those in central Anatolia) never got attacked.

>A certain race committed treason I swear It has nothing to do with race
Are you fucking retarded

Fucking this. People need to fucking learn what racism is, for example;
>black guy hits you
>you hit back
that's racist, it's racist to attack black people. People need to understand this.

>black guy hits you
>you murder his whole family

Nice bullshit Osman. Starving people to death and forcing them to do hard labour saves resources, actually.

>With the implementation of Tehcir Law, the confiscation of Armenian property and the slaughter of Armenians that ensued upon its enactment outraged much of the Western world. While the Ottoman Empire's wartime allies offered little protest, a wealth of German and Austrian historical documents has since come to attest to the witnesses' horror at the killings and mass starvation of Armenians. In the United States, The New York Times reported almost daily on the mass murder of the Armenian people, describing the process as "systematic", "authorized" and "organized by the government". Theodore Roosevelt would later characterize this as "the greatest crime of the war".

>Historian Hans-Lukas Kieser states that, from the statements of Talaat Pasha it is clear that the officials were aware that the deportation order was genocidal. Another historian Taner Akçam states that the telegrams show that the overall coordination of the genocide was taken over by Talaat Pasha. In 2017, Akçam was able to access one of the original telegrams, archived in Jerusalem, which inquired about Armenian liquidation and elimination.

>Bernau, an American citizen of German descent, traveled to the areas where Armenians were incarcerated and wrote a report that was deemed factual by Rössler, the German Consul at Aleppo. He reports mass graves containing over 60,000 people in Meskene and large numbers of mounds of corpses, as the Armenians died due to hunger and disease.

T*rk scum also genocided Pontic Greeks and burned down the city of Smyrna, a jewel of the ancient world, as a form of ethnic cleansing.

>treason
An entire race can commit treason. This has to be the most idiotic thing I've read. This has to be bait because anyone with common sense knows that when you hunt down a minority, shoot them when they can't shoot back, and treat them like garbage that it's a genocide. That's the textbook definition kike.

how to counteract this rule?

>be mulatto

WHERE ARE THE MISSING ARMENIANS CENK?

They were resettled to the East. Stop asking questions. Turkey is a strong European world power and true heir of Rome ok.

This. Occam's Razor

Lol fuck off turkroach

I think we need to call pest-control because this roach needs to be contained.

You are hated by Arabs, Europeans, other Turkic peoples and east Asians.
What have the Turks ever brought forth beside M&B?

It's more than anything Armenians have ever accomplished and given to the world apart from crime and gypsy looks.

They aided the crusaders and were/are Christian.
Which redeems them from lacking massive accomplishments.
I mean, it's always better than worshipping a mass-mudering pedophile..

>lmao we shot men, women and children who all happened to be of a certain ethnicity but it wasn't genocide, trust me

Fuck off Turk

Jews have been behind most communist movements, murdering them made sense

So many trees grew back after the indians started dying off that it changed the chemical compistion of the atmosphere, brainlet

No it doesn't redeem them.

If you ever disrespect your master like that i'll kick your armenian nose in and take your mother as my wife

The majority of jews?

you succeeded in rustling me. 6/10 troll.
you and your country are shit though, and now I think you're both stupid and ignorant

The Armenian genocide never happened but I wish it did

Muhammad = Badass warlord
Jesus = a whiny rabble rousing bitch with no army who gets executed by the state.

Never happened, fabrication made up to gloss over the warcrimes and genocide the Allies, Greeks, and Armenians attempted on Turks, Kurds, and other Muslims.
>Numbers are impossible
>Armenian rebellion
>No intention

1914 Ottoman census:
1,161,169 Armenian Gregorian + 68,838 Armenian Catholic, INCLUDING the western portion of the empire.
Genocide claim: 1.5 million

>Before Russia invaded Turkey, Russian military officials met with many high ranking Armenian leaders (Dashnak and Hunchak leaders), and it was already apparent with the thousands of Armenians who deserted the Ottoman army with their guns to join the Russian army or the Armenian rebel armies. The Armenians promised many volunteers to guide the Russians into the Ottoman territory and many soldiers to fight.

>Let me make this clear for some who claim that Armenians rebelled in self-defense---that is absolutely false. The Armenians offered to help the Russians attack before any massacres or attacks by Ottomans. If you were wondering if the Armenians or Ottomans started the fight, well it was absolutely the Armenians, who were filled with nationalistic ideas of establishing their ancient homeland of Greater Armenia.

>A dispatch received by The Daily Telegraph from Tiflis, capital of the Government of Caucasia, by way of Moscow, says: “The Turkish town of Van (140 miles southeast of Erzerum) is being besieged by a detachment of Armenians, who are aiding the Russians. The town has a large arsenal. “Another Armenian detachment is operating in the rear of the Turkish Army.” During the invasion, the city of Van was captured, and many Muslims were massacred by the Armenians.

>After the Russian retreat, the Armenian armies were unable to continue their efforts. They relied heavily on aid from the British, French, and Russians. However, they were not all trained soldiers, and so in full confrontation against the Ottoman armies, they had to retreat, and they resorted to hit and run tactics.

>The Ottoman leaders issued decrees to relocate Armenians in Eastern Anatolia, because of the difficulty of identifying Armenian rebels who disguise themselves as innocent Armenians during the day, and at night become guerillas.

>Regardless, the Ottomans did still try to pay the Armenians, shelter the Armenians, and guard the Armenians. All of which, is contradictory to the concept that an Armenian Genocide took place. The hanging of criminals who attacked Armenian convoys is also documented in many archives.

>By the end of the war, the Armenians had been driven back to Yerevan, where they established their new nation. However, the Armenian armies had massacred and decimated hundreds of Ottoman villages.

>The propaganda today, declares that Turks were at fault for genocide, but they provide no proof that there was intention to exterminate. The only thing used today to back up their claim, is to quote anti-Turkish newspapers or Henry Morganthau, who was asked to create propaganda by Woodrow Wilson to convince the American public that America must join the war against the Central Powers.

If we were to believe the Western lies, which is widely spread today, then any rebellion that was put down, can be marked as genocide. The Ottomans may have been unprepared for Armenian relocations, but that doesn't make them guilty of genocide. Trail of Tears is more of a genocide than this.

youtube.com/watch?v=qG70UWESfu4

huffingtonpost.com/bruce-fein/lies-damn-lies-and-armeni_b_211408.html

Genocide isn't about why but about what. Armenians were expelled and exterminated. Its genocide.

>this is what turds and turd supporters call a genocide

Oh boy it's a live one.

>1914 Ottoman census
You're willfully misrepresenting here. As you probably know, the 1914 census was patchy and based off estimates.

>The exact Armenian population in the Ottoman Empire and the number of Armenian victims of the Genocide have long been the subject of debate; see Richard G. Hovannisian, Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918 (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1967), pp. 34–37; and Koutcharian, Siedlungsraum der Armenier, pp. 80ff. The statistics from the Armenian Patriarchate in 1912 give a figure of 2.1 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Of these, about 1.1 million would have resided in or near the empire’s six eastern provinces (Erzurum, Van, Bitlis, Mamuret-ul-Aziz [Harput], Diyarbakir, and Sivas), representing a solid plurality in most of these areas, and perhaps a majority in Van. Turkish figures claim radically fewer Armenians in these six provinces (660,000), but rely on incomplete data (Hovannisian, Armenia on the Road to Independence, pp. 34–37).
Source: academic.oup.com/hgs/article/19/1/1/656422

>Armenian rebellion

>Turkey’s and Sudan’s governments use similar genocide denial tactics. This article, by closely examining Turkey’s tactic of claiming an Armenian rebellion, can help scholars combat similar claims by Sudan. Deniers claim the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) fomented a rebellion, but they elide the fact that Turkey’s ruling party tried to recruit the ARF to form a fifth column behind Russian lines. They also dismiss as a subterfuge the ARF World Congress decision that Ottoman and Russian Armenians must join their respective armies. These authors ignore multiple sources describing the interparty negotiations but base their positions on a book by Esat Uras, a perpetrator of the genocide, which created the template for denial. Deniers also distort the formation of volunteer regiments in the Russian army, made up predominantly of Russian Armenians, into a mass movement of Armenians deserting the Ottoman army to conduct guerilla warfare. The evidence for these false claims consists of a single Ottoman intelligence report and distortions of Armenian sources. But the internal deliberations of the ARF show no evidence of a conspiracy with Russia.
Source:utpjournals.press/doi/10.3138/gsi.8.2.06#d2053e64

>No intention

>As we shall see, there is no doubt that deportation orders which were known to inflict conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of a substantial part of the Armenian people were given by de jure organs of the state such as ministers and government officials, and that massacres involved both de jure and de facto agents of the Ottoman Empire. Moreover, that State was well aware of historical animosities prone to break out in mass murder of the Armenian minorities (i.e. in 1894-6 and 1909) and had deliberately stirred up that animosity through its Turkification programme: the officials who ordered the deportations must have known of the likely consequences yet took no steps to avoid them or to put safeguards in place. In such circumstances where killings are being carried out by criminal gangs with the knowledge and acquiescence of authorities who could (but do not) act to prevent them, “command responsibility” principles make the authorities themselves responsible for murders by criminal gangs which they foresee yet fail to prevent or subsequently to punish.
Source: groong.usc.edu/Geoffrey-Robertson-QC-Genocide.pdf

>If we were to believe the Western lies, which is widely spread today, then any rebellion that was put down, can be marked as genocide.
You know very well this is not true.

If all turks were exterminated then the world would be a better place

At least they would stop shitting up forums

>There was no armenian genocide by the ottomans
Indeed the rulers were the youg turk back then

spoke like a true anglo subhuman

>the 1914 census
As accurate as they could make it you brainlet. Why would they want to miss out on taxation? These numbers are backed up by previous censuses.
>Armenian Patriarchate
What the fuck? How stupid are you? The Armenian Patriachiate is not a reliable source, let alone it's inability to accurately gather information.
>but they elide the fact that Turkey’s ruling party tried to recruit the ARF
Did not happen, telling Armenians to not en-masse revolt illegally is not recruiting.

>Deniers also distort the formation of volunteer regiments in the Russian army
Russian records proved that there were surges of Ottoman Armenians, tens of thousands willing to take up arms, and fight against the Ottoman state. What is with you lying idiots?
>"The Armenian volunteer units were mostly from the Caucasus region and were mostly impatient to take arms "to liberate their homeland".[2] In several towns occupied by the Russian forces, Armenian students were ready to join the Russian Empire's Armenian volunteer army.[3] Besides the regular soldiers of the Russian Caucasus Army, nearly 20,000 Armenian irregular units expressed their readiness to take up arms against the Ottoman Empire. The size of these units increased during the war and Boghos Nubar gave the summary of these units in a public latter to the Paris Peace Conference, 1919 as 150,000 Armenians in the Russian Empire's volunteer units"

>The evidence for these false claims
Unsurprising that you and your source have no evidence and call real evidence fake.
>who could (but do not) act to prevent them,
They did what they could, criminals who attacked the Armenians were punished, although you would like to lie about it.
> authorities themselves responsible for murders by criminal gangs
Perhaps that's why they're criminals? Because they don't listen to authorities? The absolute state of Armenian Fabricators.

Roaches is the only group retarded enough to deny they committed genocide and at the same time claim it was justified.

>As accurate as they could make it you brainlet. Why would they want to miss out on taxation? These numbers are backed up by previous censuses.
That's not the point. The point is you can't use the 1914 census to say "the death toll couldn't be that high," because it isn't that accurate.

>Raw Ottoman statistic for 1914: 1,294,851
>McCarthy (1991):1,735,920
>Patriarchate (1910 and 1912): 1,973,950
>Marashlian (1991): 1,944,230
>Karajian (1972): 2,500,000

Note that McCarthy is usually noted a genocide denier, and yet he himself puts the estimate at 1.73m.
Source: The Armenian Massacres in Turkey, Guenter Lewy (another denier btw).

>Did not happen
Well yes, it did.

>If the ARF had Russian Armenians pretend support of the Russian government and then act as a fifth column at the critical juncture, the government would give the Armenians autonomy...
Source: books.google.co.uk/books?id=3K00DwAAQBAJ

As for the concept of a rebellion:

>Turkish allegations of wholesale disloyalty, treason, and revolt by the Ottoman Armenians, Dyer concludes, "are wholly true as far as Armenian sentiment went, only partly true in terms of overt acts, and totally insufficient as a justification for what was done [to the Armenians]
Source: Lewy, as above.

>Isolated incidents were synthesized into a general resistance by Armenians, a revolutionary movement said at times to number tens of thousands of rebels who suddenly, mysteriously, appeared sometime after Sarıkamış. Reading those reports convinced people that Armenians indeed were dangerous rebels. The terms “uprising” and “revolt” were used whenever there were clashes between the army and military deserters or bandits, Muslim and non-Muslim.
Source: A History of the Armenian Genocide, Ronald G. Suny.

...

>They did what they could, criminals who attacked the Armenians were punished, although you would like to lie about it.
They were not stopped. They could have been, but they weren't.

Telegram 5 December 1915:
>To the Office of the Provincial Governor of Aleppo
>The Armenians of the Eastern Provinces who come into your hands there are to be eliminated by secret measures.
Source: Taner Akçam, Killing Orders.

>Perhaps that's why they're criminals? Because they don't listen to authorities? The absolute state of Armenian Fabricators.
Not exactly sure what your point is here. As it said, they foresaw yet failed to sufficiently punish.

Also, please source your quotes.

>We admit to genocide but we did it because we had to, well actually because we wanted to, that means it's not genocide

Who gives a shit it was just a bunch of armenians

>we admit to genocide but they weren't people that means it's not genocide!
t.T*rkroach

Gee, Turks really are disconnected from humanity.

"Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in the rudest outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view."
-- William Gladstone

cracker butthurt

rate my OC

>All this butthurt turkroaches
Thank you for the (You)s

What's like to be located right next to Europe and the Middle East, at the very center of the crossroads between two civilizations, and still manage to be a third world shithole?

genocide still happened roach

Butthurt wh*Toids

SAVED good shit my man

still happened

Friendly reminder that Kurdistan is going to be free under the rule of the PKK, also the PKK aren't terrorists, they just kill t*rks

The Armenian genocide never happened but I wish it truly did, ridding this world of the plague known as armos is a dream of mine

Enjoy a third world shithole with a population more savage than any other in the middle east
The only other people comparable to them are egypsies and west african nogs

still happened and you literally cannot disprove it
it fills you with rage because it gives the slightest hint that your country may not be as culturally superior as you think it is.

I'm not a turk bro I just hate armenian subhumans and I do admit a genocide happened but it wasn't on the scale I wish it would have been

>Be T*rkroach
>Dream of being European all your life
>EU rebuffs your shit mudslime country
>Erdogan turns out to be abother shitty Islamic dictator
>Syrians flood your mudblood islamist third world country with even more mudslime mudblood

>Go on /pol/
>"At least a place I fit in where people share my Aryan heritage"
>Realize nobody considers you European
>Realize nobody likes you
>End up LARPing as niggers out of butthurt

A therapist would have a field day with you roaches.

How do people become like OP? What happened?

>it never happened
>I do admit a genocide happens
You may not be a Turk but you are an idiot. Begone.

You don't get it
When I said it didn't happen I meant it didn't happen on the scale I would have wanted it to be

>when I said it didn't happen I lied
The true face of the t*rkroach

Jesus fuck you're dumb

>The Armenian genocide never happened but I wish it truly did

>When I said it didn't happen I meant it didn't happen on the scale I would have wanted it to be

ok

you're still scum