Apart from his anti-religious viewpoints; all of his ideas were shit.
>Called himself an Orwellian, but constantly defended Leon Trotsky.
>Didnt understand why at times dictatorship is the better option.
>Was strong anti capitialist, but went and moved to the US
Anyone with half a brain can make religious people look stupid. I myself destroyed a religious professor without even trying. I think Cristopher is the most overrated intellectual of our time. His life was a complete contradiction to his beliefs.
He was neo-con shill man. The dude went around saying how he was a jew, but even though he never knew he was jew until his mother killed himself.
Angel Johnson
Anyone known for debating creationists is a retard.
Joseph King
His religion shit is probably his worst thoughts you underaged faggot. His dissolution with Communism and Trotsky and movement into Liberalism is his most interest and best stuff. Specifically his condemnation of Islamism and third world strong men dictators which both left and right groups defend for their own cynic and short sighted reasons.
Grayson Sanchez
He is overrated yes. He isn't that bad either. I prefer his brother tbqhwyf
Charles Turner
redeeming factor? The only reason anyone gives a shit about Christopher is that his anti-religious views. Wow how fucken special. It's not like his views were expressed by intellectuals hundreds of years ago. I just cant believe nobody challenged him how could he be a fan of Orwell and Leon Trotsky at the same time. I just make me think he was not very intelligent.
Nathan Moore
>Orwell and Leon Trotsky at the same time. he wasnt
Luis Rivera
The dude wanked over Trotsky until he died. What are you talking about? He called himself a socialist. I would assume that he knew what that label actually means.
Luke Evans
Please go fuck yourself. He had to choose a hero to talk about, and he chooses Leon Trotsky.
Religious debates and general philosophy were outside the scope of his talent. His real gift was for analyzing duplomacy and politics.
Robert Richardson
yeah, thanks for proving that you are underage and are only just now learning about him. He started off as a trotskiest socialist, was anti-religion at that time as well, then saw how socialist cucked out to Islam with the whole Satanic Verses controvery and trashed it. He stopped being any sort of communist in the late 80s and constantly talked about this. Now, hes become sort of a darling to the libertarian americans, and in a desperate attempt to sort of ruin that love affair, socialist try and spread the half truth meme that he was and always was a devout socialist.
He defended the neo-cons. Please stop defending this idiot just because he argued religion after 9/11. What an achievement.
Cooper Wood
He gave up on the Marxist ideology, but he always defended Leon Trotsky. Have you even watched the video? He still called himself a socialist you fucken idiot. He makes excuses for Trotsky's atrocities, and says he is the most wrongly understood figure of the 20th century.
Aaron Kelly
>He defended the neo-cons. He argued that Saddam was indeed a piece of shit that needed to be taken out and that people who do nothing but make meme "Bush is le stupid!" jokes are imbeciles with no argument. He was critical of how Bush conducted the Iraq War though. HE was also very vocal against all the "truthers" that were prominent in the early to mid 2000s
Nolan Hill
But george orwell defended leon trotsky. He was on the trotskyist side during the spanish civil war
Luis Cooper
>"Bush is le stupid!" jokes are imbeciles with no argument.
He was barely a C student.
t. my uncle was at Yale with him.
Isaiah Phillips
>He still called himself a socialist you fucken idiot. No he didnt. Also, try watching the videos again and take note of how he speaks in the past tense when talking about him being a marxist or an admirer of Trotsky. He was simply giving the reason why he initially like Trotsky.
Anthony Rogers
I understand that and agree that Saddam was a disgusting war monger, but he makes excuses for Leon Trotsky's anti-democratic and pro-war ideas. Also, Leon Trotsky was responsible for most of the suppression and atrocities of Lenin's regime. Somehow Leon Trotsky becomes a badly understood figure, but Saddam was a monster. If Saddam was lefty he would not have given a fuck.
Jaxon Hall
He called himself a Fabian socialist in ABCs Q and A in 2009.
As if we needed anymore proof that neocons are Trotskyist scumbags
Xavier Lopez
No, he didn't. The reason was that the only people who were not Stalinist and socialist at that time were Trotskyist, but Orwell has never supported Leon Troskie.
Aiden Jones
I wonder if kids who go on and on about neo-cons realize that its literally born out of communist.
Niggers defending Christopher like his some religious father figure is retarded. He made excuses for Leon Trotsky atrocities and war monger ideals but argues against dictatorships for the exact same reason. That dude was a hypocrite like most lefties.
Lincoln Morris
>shitposting your own thread into oblivion ok
Jason Ross
>defending the intelligence of George W. Bush in the year 2018 ok
Henry King
>actually being this butthurt about George Bush in the year 2018
Matthew Thompson
>He was barely a C student. And? Academic performance is not indicative of intelligence it's indicative of good study and work habits.
William Lewis
Can you shut the fuck up? The only reason you are defending George Bush is that your daddy Chris defended him. Please don't be a sheep and think for yourself.
John Evans
So was fdr at yale lmao
Justin Brown
Goerge W Bush was personally fairly intelligent, but his policies were implemented just so he could win a second election. He invaded Iraq just to make the Democratic party look unpatriotic. He couldn't use the Afghan war because both parties agreed with it for the most part. He was a selfish asshole more than stupid.
Adam Peterson
>>Called himself an Orwellian, but constantly defended Leon Trotsky.
Orwell literally fought for a Trotskyist militia in Spain.
Adam Price
Funny, i actually like his viewpoints other than his religious ones
Austin Flores
Orwellian is an ideology that is against theocracy and dictatorship. Also, Orwell never defended Troskies actions. It just happened that allot of his fellow fighters were troskies. My grandfather fought in the Iran Iraq war with a lot in the revolutionary guard. He was not religious at all, but most of his fellow fighters were. For Orwell it was either the Stalinists or the Troskies.
youtube.com/watch?v=NlkbkctEHI0 Here he defends Marx's ideas. Somehow you say his liberal. The dude was still a Marxist until he died.
Tyler Taylor
>And? Academic performance is not indicative of intelligence it's indicative of good study and work habits.
But that's wrong, there's a fairly strong correlation between IQ and grades, but not the only factor obviously
Levi Barnes
I think Peter is way better than his brother other than religion. He's not a neo-con and did not use his mother's Jewish background to get book deals and publicity.
Carson Roberts
My Dad works at Nintendo and he said you’re full of shit.
Noah Jones
I want to like Peter and always find him interesting to listen to but I fear he’s little more than a (very learned) contrarian. He seems somewhat delusional and much of his work seems to be aimed at Daily Mail readers (his primary employer).
Gabriel Wood
Well, I think the reason he turned to religion because he was afraid of death and a meaningless universe. If you are talking about his drug policy; I would say he is technically right. Drug taking increases when it is legalized. If you don't think that is wrong then that is fine, but technically he is right. Also, there is also no physical evidence of addiction. Not saying that there is no addiction. It's just that there is no physical evidence for it. If you look at him like that he makes a lot of sense.
Benjamin Murphy
Regardless of their collective reactionary horseshit, one of them can write, and the other is still in his shadow years after his death.
They're just the Oxbridge Gallagher brothers.
Jace Moore
>Makes popularity argument.
How sad can you be? Half of the Anglican population does not believe in god. What he said was not that special. Sorry, but your intellectual daddy was a neocon Marxist that made excuses for leftist dictators like Lenin and Troskie.
Jaxon Robinson
I have no idea what you're trying to imply I said. I just said that Cristopher could write, Peter couldn't, and they're both sad reactionary Mummy's boys.
Jeremiah Murphy
>Christopher reactionary?
The dude was a neocon lefty that agreed with some Marxist policies. The dude was literally the complete opposite to reactionary.
I guess you are Marxist. For you anyone to the left of you is reactionary
Stop with the pseudo intellectual superiority signaling.
Lincoln Hill
he was something you aren't and probably will never be OP:
funny
Jacob King
Not being pseudo-intellectual. Just saying it's not difficult to make a book written thousands of years ago by sand nigger stupid.
Christian Parker
Good for him. Its just annoying his fans literally worship him. Even don't question his Marxist beliefs which he rarely talks about in his books. It was like he was hiding it so the libertarians keep buying his books.
Nolan Sanchez
What are you talking about? Peter is the much better writer. Christopher's books were him either jerking off about Jefferson and Paine or pseudo-intellectual babble about atheism.
Eli Hall
Who will play the Hitchens brothers in the inevitable biopic?
David Cox
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Kayden Parker
>Maher Kinda hard to do when he's arguing against idiots dumber than him
Daniel Perry
kek
Parker Cruz
t. pan-arab nationalist
Christian Baker
He is a fucken idiot! Peter is by far the better writer. He also has a better command of the English language. Peters books are far more interesting.
Lincoln Reyes
The Hitchens brothers aged great. If they kept themselves thin they would have been chad as fuck.
Alexander Gonzalez
I remember watching a debate against Roger Scruton and he did poorly, he wasn't prepared for real arguments so he repeated the same things over and over.
Unfortunately the crowd was biased towards him
Caleb Hill
It's fun watching Peter argue with his brothers cult on Twitter. Likes to call out the fact that half of them have never even read his books.
Leo Parker
Can you post more Peter memes? I love them.
Also, I just can't understand Christopher calling himself the champion of freedom and democracy. While defending Leon Trotsky and making excuses for him. The dude is so overated it not even funny.
Jonathan Hernandez
Hur chieftan say war start because religion religion baad
Isaiah Diaz
Wow! Nigger most Arabs want to unit. Why are you so anti-democracy? Christopher fans are just sheeps.
Michael Long
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Landon Baker
>Didn't understand why at times dictatorship is the better option. what? how is this so?
Isaiah Morgan
Peter isnt a contrarian, he just sees the writing on the wall and realizes just how fucking stupid britain is now and how it has NO future. He initially became a marxist because he saw the days of the British Empire were over in the post war years and thought socialism was the only real path forward, then he became disillusioned with that and new it was done after the Cold War. Now, hes just calling out this European elitist class who does nothing but forces muslims down their peoples throats and realizes how batshit and stupid that is as well, but no one wants to admit hes right.
to put it in an atheist way, hes saying god doesnt exist and everyone is ignoring him because they are still scared of dying
David Stewart
>muh muzlimz yawn
Caleb Nelson
>muh /pol/ Yawn >>>/reddit/
Noah Bennett
>actually thinking this is going to lead to a great and prosperous future
Connor Myers
niccce
Angel Myers
>The only reason anyone gives a shit about Christopher is that his anti-religious views They love him for his dynamite "gotcha" moments. He mastered the art of the burn and had a silky smooth voice. Fun essayist too.
Brayden Fisher
At least he had the balls to go through with the waterboarding. Hannity still hasn't.
Kayden Gomez
so mad
Adam Murphy
>did not use his mother's Jewish background to get book deals and publicity. What do you have against inheritance?
Ethan Jones
Well Baathism may have fascistic tendencies, but it is technically a left wing secular socialist ideology given how its founder Michel Aflaq was a member of the Lebanese Communist Party as well.
Daniel Campbell
Mussolini was also a syndicalist. A lot of Fascists came from the left. Baathism is economically left-wing and socially right wing. They believe in Arab supremacy. All I am saying is that why did Christopher make excuses for Trotskies crimes. In 2006 he chooses him as his hero and defended him.
Look at how is retarded fans cheer him on while he is defending a mass murderer who was the most important figure in turning the soviet union into a dictatorship.
Hudson Lewis
Well, his brother is exactly the same. He doses it when debating political policies. I think that is more impressive.
Hunter Kelly
>Anyone with half a brain can make religious people look stupid I would like to make an argument, but someone as stupid as you doesn't deserve to be argued with. Here's a reaction image instead.
Wyatt Price
>Anyone with half a brain can make religious people look stupid. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wrong.
Joseph Bennett
The Iraqi Baathists imo were more right wing than the current Baath Party ruling Syria mostly because Saddam though generally secular in nature was more sectarian when dealing with non-Sunni Iraqis compared to the even more historically marginalized Alawites of Syria. Just an observation.
Yeah, I hate the Trotsky apologists. He was a mass murderer who would have been no different from Stalin's brutalities. In fact Trotsky could have been a lot worse than Stalin if he became the leader of the Soviet Union instead of Stalin.
Hudson Ross
he was a fool and a non-hohol hohol mafia
Camden Evans
In his very last interview before his death he said he was still a Marxist
Nathan Brown
>and third world strong men dictators which both left and right groups defend for their own cynic and short sighted reasons. As opposed to what, chaos because they can't stop killing each other without the strong man?
Adrian Butler
>he didn't support Trotsky >the reason he supported Trotsky is....
Daniel Flores
What I was saying was that he just joined the group because there were no other non-Stalinist socialist groups other than the Trotskyist. His options were the anarchist, Stalinists, and Trotskyist. He never mentioned Trotsky in a positive light in his writings. I think you people are just seeing too much into him joining the militia.
Nathaniel White
Christopher probably gave too much credit to democratic freedom. He thought if those people were given freedom they would use it to become secular modern nations. I think he ignored the history of Turkey and Iran. Ataturk was a dictator, and the military in Turkey usually rubbishes the people's choices. I mean when the military stopped interfering the Turks choose Erdogan, and the Iranian people choose Khomeini in a popular revolution. He believed that Khomeini stole the people's revolution. Even though that is the complete opposite. Khomeini was the most important figure in that revolution. I mean even the Marxists had to support him. Its the nature of the left to be idealistic. Christopher is no different. You still have Iranian Marxists who still believe that Khomeini stole their popular revolution. Even though the Iranian working class and peasants did not give a shit about them and were more interested in religion.
James Miller
BUT HE WAS A BRILLIANT SCIENTIST
Jose Lewis
I don't understand, why isn't he a muslim?
Nicholas Young
Who was Snowball in Animal Farm an allegory for?
Noah Carter
>I myself destroyed a religious professor without even trying >things that never happened - the thread
Caleb Campbell
I love how people describe Hitchens as a neocon, as if there is anything wrong with that. They were right about everything.
Also, he had already made a name for himself as a journalist long before he became a anti-religious "superstar".
Hudson Kelly
you're a fucking moron
Levi Martin
Have you ever read his book on Orwell? He (rightly) identifies him as a socialist and potentially something even more radical considering his volunteering for the anti-fascist militias in the Spanish Civil War. The one he joined (P.O.U.M.) adopted a more "Troskytist" line as opposed to the Stalinist P.S.U.C. as I remember. Orwell, and by extension Hitchens, seems to blame the evils of the Soviet Union on the perversion of the original vision of Lenin by the totalitarian rule of Stalin which came to be as a result of his political outmaneuvering of Trotsky. This is alluded to in Animal Farm through the characters of Snowball and Napoleon. Napoleon (Stalin) is the self-interested and perfidious power-grabber while Snowball (Trotsky) is the legitimate inheritor of Old Major's (sort of a combination of Marx and Lenin) legacy who gets forced out.
Jayden Jones
It wasn't publicly known that he had Jewish ancestry until long after he had become famous.
David Morgan
The most foul demagogue until Trump came along.
David Parker
>history board cares about something that happened in the past
My almonds hurt, give me a moment...
Gavin Allen
>raging atheist is a mediocre intellectual No shit sherlock. All these "new" atheism guys are just rehashing arguments that were already old in the 19th century. He's basically a cross of positivism and libertarianism, and the most cursory education in the humanities would be enough to btfo most of his arguments. It boggles the mind to think that this guy actually went to Oxford. How the fuck did he manage to go through a philosophy/politics/economics degree without coming across the likes of Weber and Durkheim, who alone are enough to destroy 90% of what he says?
