Does anybody know if nationalism existed in the early modern period (let's say from 1453-1789)?

Diaries of Polish 17th century nobles and records on the level of education among that periods peasantry. Or rather the lack of education

Here's a list if you're interested
delibra.bg.polsl.pl/Content/24332/BCPS_26281_1928_Bibljografja-pamietn.pdf

Hussites (15th century) were nationalists.

Yes, the Dutch revolt against Spanish-Habsburg rule sparked a movement of nationalism in the late 16th century.

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It was starting to emerge, but it wasn't really as concrete until liberalism emerged. Yes, nationalism and liberalism were initially tied because it represented a "lineage" of the plebs rather than aristocrats. You can tell when nationalism was really dead by the fact that, in the 20th century, almost no country would accept a territorial gain made by marrying off a daughter to some foreign prince. Rulership became less about personal families or houses (although personality cults remained) and over time more distant from the concept of a noble warrior class despite military larping. Nobles married in with the rising bourgeois in order to maintain their power, and liberalism became more connected to capitalism and materialist naturalism whereas nationalism carried the concept of romanticism from this divergence.

I say it came about during the enlightenment

Nationalism has always existed. It is only strengthened when the nation comes under external pressure.

There's evidence of English nationalism in Shakespeare's history plays, dating roughly 1600. Eg:
This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,

Nationalism as a political ideology as opposed to konservatism and liberalism and the others: early 19th century.
Nationalism as a mindset? Since as long as people have existed.
Other than that I agree with , external threats make people more nationalistic.
In the 12th century, the Swedes, West Geats and East Geats formed one country to better combat Danish aggressions. They had some differences in laws but with this they acknowledged that they were the same people, with the same language and the same customs.

Since grugg killed ugg for living in a cave across the pond nationalism has existed

Nationalism is 100% a liberal ideal. The European aristocracy was internationalist in every sense of the word.

Depends on time and place. Hozenhollers quickly embraced it once it became useful to their interests. British did it long before that.

please go away

petty tribalism isn't nationalism

Nationlism didn't have a name back then beacuse everyone already had that ideology.
It's the same with Identitarianism. Europeans never spoke about it because it was so normalised it would have been odd if you didn't believe in it.

Nationalism never existed.

England and France developed national identities as we know them the earliest during the HYW so pre 1453. The Dutch also likely had national pride when they declared independence from Spain in 1568

It was nascent, full blown nationalism started with French revolution.

>Nationlism didn't have a name back then beacuse everyone already had that ideology.
Yes, exactely. That's why France fought as a singular entity during the 100 years war.

Exactly right.

Nationalism implies that the state legitimised itself through a preceived common history and culture of it's people. Therefore the state legitimisation comes from the people, contrarian to monarchists who legitimised themselves through god given right.Nationalism started with the french revolution. In the 19th century nationalism was tied with democratic movements for a reason and despised by monarchists like Metternich. There may have been a common state/ethnic idenitity during the 15th-18th century but social status was far more important. Be careful not to fall for anachronistic perceptions.

But that's wrong user and you just have to read french History to know that.
There was a begining of creation of "french nationalism" in the XIIIth century with Rigord who claimed that gauls and franks had the same origin (That they were both people from the region of Troyes). In the XVth Century this "knowledge" was widespread and the King was used as the main authority to unite and give a common history to people who had different languages ; An occitan, a breton, a gascon, a norman all found in the King the living proof of their unity, with the King portrayed as the nation's daddy ; and in schools it was said to the elites that all frenchmen were either gauls or franks but it didn't matter because they all came from Troyes and simply reunited when Clovis became King of Gaul.
Of course France is an exception and it didn't have any nationalistic rebellions in the XIXth century ; The troubles of France were much more social or political rather than national. But indeed, France had nationalism early.

You're assuming that 'France' at the beginning of the HYW constituted a single nation and that aristocratic feudal lords necessarily had to consider themselves part of it.

>we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown.
>They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous.
>The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since.
>In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner.
>Thus our nation under their protection did indeed live in freedom and peace up to the time when that mighty prince the King of the English,
>He, that his people and his heritage might be delivered out of the hands of our enemies, met toil and fatigue, hunger and peril, like another Macabaeus or Joshua and bore them cheerfully.
>Him, too, divine providence, his right of succession according to or laws and customs which we shall maintain to the death, and the due consent and assent of us all have made our Prince and King.
>Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule.

National myths and talking about the scots being a distinct people as opposed to foreigners, including princes.

who dis?

Porto-nationalism: the thread.

First of all, define nationalism

Welsh identity develops earlier than this, shortly after the principality was conquered, so the people from the recently subjugated areas chose to redefine themselves as the bulk of the Royal Armies, separating themselves from the other areas.

>I don't like people with different religions, but I hate people with different language even more.

>this speaks for all peasants of all times in all places

Really makes me wonder why the Danish peasants saw themselves as Danes rather than anything else.

but nationalism *is* petty tribalism

Again, please go away.

Even ancient Greeks - who regularly fought eachother - realized that they were one people. They for instance participated in the Olympic Games together and fought against common threats such as the Persians

Nice, that's exactly the kind of thing I meant.

Kim Petras