Was the USSR actually a Communist state...

Was the USSR actually a Communist state? Does it count as communism if it never actually gets to that goal of a stateless society?

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They were a communist state in the meaning it was a state ruled by communists, not that it was a country where they had communism. Communism cannot even be reached since the premise of it violates the laws of physics.

So safe to say they were socialists that tried to get to Communism? Why do hardcore SJWs try to call them state run capitalism?

>Does it count as communism if it never actually gets to that goal of a stateless society?
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They were a proletarian dictatorship, in all it's glory

No, they were communists that tried to get to communism.

Because they don't understand concepts like the stages of communism

Because USSR is a textbook example of oppression and failure, they want to say they are different and this time will work

But hey had socialized mean of production, this is the stage you get called socialist

It was state socialism, not state capitalism. Brainlets can't tell the difference. State socialism is when a state owns the means of production to act as a vanguard for the working class. In state capitalism the state basically acts like a capitalist, it operates for-profit businesses and even allows private ownership of production means, just with a state oversight. The example of the latter would be something like modern China, certainly not the USSR.

Was there private ownership in the USSR?

There were private property, but you could only own things like clothes or furniture, all productive capital was state owned.

So what about shit like the land your house was on? If you had a typical suburban neighborhood house that didn't produce anything?

Technically no, the house was property of the state, but in practice people could live 50 years in the same house and pass it to their children without government interfering... basically same as any other country, but without rent.

But if you wanted to move to another city you couldn't get anything out of it huh?

If you want to move, you have to require a new house from a government agency, unless you want to move to model or research city, it would take some months and spend a decent amount of money, either with taxes or bribes.

So when they exported to states like India was the money supposed to go in the general fund to pay for new things?

Since everybody worked for the government, people moved only to other cities when their new job was on other city.
Generals, politicians and other powerful lived like kings, in isolated areas, with private clubs and drivers. Could move at will.
Engineers, researcher, army officers and other high level personal lived in nice areas, big houses. Could move with some effort.
Technicians, policemen, and live in some nasty but livable conditions, couldn't move.
Workers and farmers were peasants, not only could move at will but government moved them when a new field or farm was build.

Soviets didn't had companies like america has, every single "company" is government owned, all their income goes to general fund.

Would they sell it for a profit or just how much it was worth to make it?

>Communist
>State

For other countries, they sold with a huge profit margin, that combined with crap quality was the reason soviets couldn't export much.
For they allies, like NK or Cuba, they had negative profit.
For their citizens there were two kinds of goods, those that were sold (cars, tvs...) and those (like vodka, bread, milk...) were given that were given, both cases "companies" didn't had any kind of profit

In fact, most basic products like vodka, milk, bread, butter, ... was not sold, but exchanged using tickes that were given with wages.

Is there a good book on the USSR that explained how it worked on a day to day basis as well as the general history of it?

How good is your Russian?

There are very few in English, most western material is left and academia blind apology or right blind aversion.

>So safe to say they were socialists that tried to get to Communism?
yes

Not good at all

Do you know of the few?

I know a some video

Go ahead and share that shit my dude

It's less biased than most: youtube.com/watch?v=SU-3V8diEVk

If you want something funny but not good: youtube.com/watch?v=jV6ivcqq56s

Thank you kindly

"We should avoid dissociating ourselves from this dictatorship (of the proletariat) for as long as it still does useful work for the proletariat - i.e. so long as it contributes towards a reconciliation between the proletariat and the peasantry, giving prime recognition to proletarian interests." A few days latter Brecht spoke of "a 'workers' monarchy."

What's this from?

Walter Benjamin's recording of his conversations with Brecht from 1938.

Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics

It's literally in the name.

>Was the USSR actually a Communist state?
> Communist
> state
???
That's not how it's meant to work.

Don't be pedantic

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What a shame less bump, but lets give some useful information, USSR was indeed socialist, but there are many schools of socialist economy, just like there are Keynesian, liberals, monetarist in capitalist economy.

So what specifically was the USSR? I mean is it really Marxist if it doesn't get to the end state?

Is the US actually a Capitalist state? Does it count as capitalism if it never actually gets to the goal of a stateless society?

When has capitalism ever advocated for a stateless society?

They were "National Communists" like Ceausescu's Romania.

National Communists?

The ultimate free market exists without a state

Says who?

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