European scripts

Roman cursive (bonus: graffiti text is relevant to Veeky Forums)

Can anyone here tell me why the alphabet falls in the order it does?

Jews (but actually, Semites)

>Jews behind everything
But why did they put it in that order?
>inb4 to trick the goyim out of shekels
How does the order help them trick goyim out of shekels?

why that is is actually remarkably unclear
we do know that even the phoenicians had a pretty similar order so it's very ancient
problem is that doesn't shed much light to it as even in phoenician the order seems very random
only sense that can be found is that the order of the vowels AEIOU moves from the back and forward in your mouth but why they're separated by all the consonants is a mystery

what the fuck

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I think I'll consult my astrologist.

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this is an unauthentic and amateurish transcription
it doesn't represent the nasal vowels where they would have been in runic era Old Norse

pic related includes both stanzas both but also
Deyr fé,
deyja frændr,
deyr sjálfr it sama.
En orðstírr
deyr aldregi
hveim er sér góðan getur

Why is the English alphabet so basic(as in, no accent marks or "weird" characters)?

English orthography is very old (which is why it corresponds so poorly to the spoken language - ie. the spoken language has changed a bunch in 700 years while the written language has remained relatively unchanged) but that's not the whole story since Old English scribes used some letters and diacrtics not found in modern English like þ and ð
what sealed the deal was that England adopted the printing press really early on and German imported printers didn't have any of those special characters so a written English tradition using only the "basic" Latin alphabet developed and stuck

this is resulted in the silliness of the English alphabet having 5 vowels, aeiou while the spoken languages has something like 14-20 vowels if you include diphthongs

also worth noting that English is actually the only major living European language to only use the basic Latin alphabet
that is no small part because the Latin alphabet has only 5 vowels which is on the smaller side for European languages - even Latin itself had 10 vowels and some diphthongs but got away with 5 letters because the vowels came in 5 long-short pairs which also differed in quality

The Deseret alphabet was briefly used by the Mormons in territorial Utah in order to differentiate themselves from the non-Mormons and to make learning English easier for their European converts.

>those fucking moon runes were supposed to make learning English easier

What else can you expect from retards who think Jesus was a timber nigger

anything is better than the current clusterfuck that is English spelling
you have to look to East Asia to languages like Chinese and Japanese to find a more convoluted and nonsensical writing system

Who gives a shit? We don't need anymore people learning it and coming to my country anyways. If anything we should make it harder so they all fuck off. Japan is a racially homogeneous culturally conservative society with almost no crime and functioning public utilities, maybe they're on to something.

Why is this a gif?

Wew lad don't be so triggered nothing I said had anything to do with immigration politics
But English is the lingua franca like it or not

I know I'm just tired of people saying that everything needs to be made easier, or simplified, or whatever, just for the sake of retarded foreigners and shit. If they can't learn a language that isn't spelled the way it's said it's not my problem, maybe they should have been born in a better country.

It's primarily for natives m8
English and American children lag significantly behind in reading and writing compared to languages with sane orthographies

Glagolitic script - oldest Slavic script, used in The Witcher.

Cyrillic ustav

Cyrillic vyaz calligraphy

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Romanian Cyrillic

Romanian Transitional

Old Cyrillic is so aesthetic

True
I like how Romanians kept old Cyrillic alive the longest

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Sütterlin

Chinese actually fits Chinese. It's a language with no inflectional morphology, you just say words until enough meaning has been conveyed, and those words never change with context or interact with each other in any way. Additionally, the direct vocabulary is, relatively, very small, typically you just add words together to describe a new object or concept rather than creating a new word or borrowing one from another language. Further, thanks to tones with the way they're sometimes absolute and sometimes relative, and the wildly differing dialects of Chinese that aren't even mutually intelligible, a standardized sound writing system would be a nightmare. Just look at the official pinyin romanization of chinese compared to how those words actually sound when spoken by Chinese people.
It's the Japanese using those characters that's complete nonsense.

Ive always wondered how western names and things that cant be translated were spelled in Chinese. The Japs have their special alphabet for foreign words, but the Chinks dont. I tried it in google translate and it turns out they just mash already existing characters until they get a similar sound. Like for example Peter is Bǐdé, which separately translates to "he got it".

kek, Chinese language is so wacky, but i love it.

The japanese used the same method before there was kana

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that's literally what kana came from. They kept simplifying the characters they used for this purpose until they were relatively simple glyphs あ from 安, etc.

This made it easier for Anglos to pull ahead of the rest of the world in printing, telegraphy, computing... much easier to deal with such a small character set (26 letters plus a few basic punctuation marks).

The ‘reason’ it’s like that is because English doesn’t try to be phonetic (which it couldn’t be given how diverse pronunciation is).

Alphabets don’t mix well with tonal languages.

t. I live in Vietnam, with its diacritic explosion of an alphabet.

you're the ones who have to dedicate a huge portion of your education to just learning how to write, when most kids in other cultures have that down by like age 7.

Vietnamese alphabet is fuck ugly but Chu Nom is even worse
I think you'd need to make something original for Vietnamese to be well represented

the thai seem to have managed it, thai writing is a clusterfuck but that clusterfuck is just a problem of rampant historical spelling and worship of archaic sanskrit rather than the ability to convey tones.

This is true
English is one few languages that uses no diacritics

Vithkuqi alphabet used in Albania

Todhri script, also used in Albania

Hungarian Rovás

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Glagolitic cursive

vyaz on the bottom

That looks like tachygraphy

Why did the retarded white monkeys never develop an orthographic script?

>in a thread about European scripts
>why did Europeans never develop scripts

>Start thread with the intention of scripts
>Retards start posting fonts
WTF

>fonts

Pre-reform Russian

The phoenicians were bro tier. In the end, they got jewed by the Romans even.

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what language?

french

It's literally just minorities that are dumb as fuck when it comes to that stuff. White kids learn it just fun, it's Trayvon and Jorge that are still struggling with understanding what a direct object is in 10th grade

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> English is one few languages that uses no diacritics
Not true; there is a dot above 'i'.

Bet you also count G as a diacritized version of C and you consider W to be a ligature

Each of those is really the whole Lord's Prayer?
>Just look at the official pinyin romanization of chinese compared to how those words actually sound when spoken by Chinese people.
Pinyin is phonemic. If you think that the pronunciation of Chinese words doesn't match the pinyin you're unfamiliar with Pinyin's system of sound-to-syllable mapping.
Also, have you heard of General Chinese? It was a system of Romanization that was designed as a sort of "lowest common denominator" between all the major dialects, so if two words are pronounced differently in any of the control dialects then they're spelled differently in General Chinese.
You're putting the cart before the horse. There is, inherently, nothing particularly more technically difficult about representing 28 or 30 letters instead of 26. (If there's thousands, sure, but not if it's just a few more.) What actually happened is that, as explained, English ended up with a system of spelling that has no diacritics (because of the printing presses being imported from Germany) and then because English became the global lingua franca the de facto standards like ASCII only have the 26 basic letters. If Russia had invented the Internet first we might be having to use Cyrillic URLs now.
>The ‘reason’ it’s like that is because English doesn’t try to be phonetic (which it couldn’t be given how diverse pronunciation is).
So you take the overarching diaphonemes- if you have groups of words A, B, and C, and Americans pronounce A and B with the same vowel and C differently and Brits pronounce B and C with the same vowel and A differently, you spell A, B, and C three different ways. Or at the very least we could cut out some of the silent letters that literally nobody pronounces anymore.

What the hell is an orthographic script? A writing system with standardized spelling? All of Europe has that.
I think MAYBE they're trying to ask why Europeans never independently invented writing. (To be fair, that's only ever happened like three times in the history of the world.)
It's clearly Arabic script; I'm guessing it's Arabic, likely from the Quran, with a word-by-word gloss in some other language (say, Persian) underneath.
Even middle-class white Anglophone children take longer to learn to read and write than their counterparts in first-world nations with sensible spelling systems.
In Turkish the dot over I is a diacritic because I-with-dot is a distinct letter from I-without-dot. But in English there is no such distinction, so the dot on the I isn't a diacritic, it's just part of the letter.

Can modern North Germanic languages be mapped to Runes with no effort?

carolingians were just larping as anglos and irishmen

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Tiny ass picture but the Greek alphabet is the most aesthetic alphabet. Each capital letter fills the space so well, and each are just distinct enough from each other to be readable and cohesive. Compared to Russian's Cyrillic where so many letters look so similar to each other.

What form of greek and cyrillic are you talking about? You need to specify.

When I say Greek I mean the standard Greek alphabet most people think about: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet#Letters When I say Russian's Cyrillic, I mean the post-USSR-spelling reform

i agree that greek is the most aesthetic, but regarding the "each are just distinct enough from each other to be readable and cohesive" id say more for cyrillic than greek, mostly because the capital letters are the same as lowercase ones

cursive cyrillic though is almost arabic tier

>capital letters are the same as lowercase ones
i meant almost the same

>When I say Greek I mean the standard Greek alphabet most people think about: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet#Letters When I say Russian's Cyrillic, I mean the post-USSR-spelling reform
I'm asking about the the type. Roman capitals??

Arebica (from Bosnia) :^)

>I think MAYBE they're trying to ask why Europeans never independently invented writing. (To be fair, that's only ever happened like three times in the history of the world.)
the Greek alphabet was the first true alphabet tho

>desire to read lotr intensifies

This is a great thread.

This is moldovan cyrillic script, which was adopted by Romanians already in the 16th century

But it was directly based on the Phoenician abjad; the Greeks didn't invent writing, they just improved on it.