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Im going to start learning muay thai for recreational fun and self defence. After i learn that for about 6 months im going to learn wing chun (better used on people who dont know how to fight, you wont hurt them )
What are so exercises and stretches i should learn? Also post what you are learning and what others can expect
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6 months of a martial art will only make you amateur at it. If you want to get good choose a martial art and make your main focus. It takes years in a martial art before you can get exceptionally good.
I wouldnt do muay thai for 6 months then go onto another, especially wing chun. Thats taking 2 step back
There's nothing wrong with taking wing chun. It is a viable martial art, but OP couldn't have picked more different martial arts.
How long should I train before pocking up a new one? I know wing chub is particular useful against someone with no fighting skills since its unorthodox and intimidating to those who have no idea what a chi sau is.
If these to are that dramatically different whats an art i can switch to for more fluid learning? I dont want to lesrn wing chun first because it teaches you not to commit on attacks and that will fuck me up if i dont learn how to hit first.
anyone got tips for kickong above the shoulders, I cant seem to do it. Im flexable but i just cant fucking do it.
>wing chun
As somebody who has trained it for the last 4 years and still train ... its a meme.
dont do it. srs. if i could do it all over again id go straight into boxing.
wing chun serves to complement, but can easily be replaced with anything "soft" like tai chi, bagua, and ching-i (i train the last one too). its only good for balance and coordination
at the end of the day in a proper fight, the only thing that matters is hitting them hard, fast and in a spot they're not defending.
there's no 2deadly techniques, theres no chi channeling, there's no "muh leverage".
there's only strength, speed and accuracy.
also, speaking from past experience, the problem with wing chun when fighting untrained folks is that they'll grab your arms to slow down the action. and at the range you're essentially either going to withdraw or resort to elbows, which will probably hurt them anyway.
imo train MT, stick to MT, get good at MT. its harder to learn than boxing given the wide variety of techniques (one of the reasons i switched to boxing).
work on hip mobility for the high leg kicks, also work on your guard. the shin conditioning comes during, but its worth doing some jump rope to make sure you dont get plantar fasciitis or anterior tibial stress syndrome (shin splints) from keeping your weight on the balls of your feet for extended periods of time
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what about kickboxing? Thinking of doing KB and MT for striking and something random for grappling.
For years mate, theres no minimum
do what this guy said and stick to
kb is literally watered down mt. no point.
the only grappling ive ever done was judo. takedowns are good, grappling is not imo. too dangerous to roll on concrete.
but im biased.
i believe in purity, that is, there is one pure way to fight as a human. you look at tigers, all they do is pounce. they dont have 10 different tools for different situations, but instead have one tool for many situations, and if a situation arises where it cant pounce, then it waits for a situation where it can.
as such, i believe in striking with the hands as the only true form of combat that a person should get down packed. we're already on two points of contact of the ground, why reduce that to one through kicking?
why get in close when staying away affords you the ability to disengage?
Thanks for the reply. Thats too bad about WT, it looks super fun to play with. I guess il stick to MT like you said. It sounds like you didnt like it very much, what about it made you wanna just box?
its about the rationale.
the theory is non-commital attacks let you respond faster and defend better.
the issue is that you are gaining speed and reactions in exchange for power.
knocking somebody out isnt about how many strikes you can land. its about how much power you can put into one single strike. once you exceed that threshold, then you start sacrificing power for speed while making sure you are still above that threshold.
only problem is that threshold is different for different people.
then it follows that the only logical way is to focus on learning powerful strikes and build up your speed gradually, as opposed to the opposite.
wing chun looks cool, but that's all it is. its a meme really. i still do the forms once a day, just as a warmup stretch.
went back to the place i used to train recently. instructor wouldnt even touch hands with me. pussy was afraid he'd be shown to be shit.
>There's nothing wrong with taking wing chun. It is a viable martial art
Why do you say kb has no point?
I'm a kickboxer myself and I enjoy boxing and using my legs and I'm not interested in fighting with my head elbows or knees
I mean we're doing this as a sport and not self defense
You either commit to learning a lot of different techniques or Few. Kb is in the middle. It's neither here nor there.
Why is it in the middle ? That would be MT. The halfway point between MMA and Boxing
No. There's a lot of techniques. There's 8 techniques alone for the elbows, tons more for the hands feet and knees. Not to mention clinch game etc.
Grappling is difficult to equate as cleanly as striking so I don't think mma belongs on the spectrum.
But purely from a numerical point of view, there's Mt with its load of techniques, then there's boxing with only a few.
If you like to do kb fair enough. But it's worth knowing that you have the option of either expanding into Mt or specialising into boxing.
Mauy thai sounds pretty dope. Thanks for the information man, im looking forward to learning it, im 23 and never participated in a art so this is all very very exciting for me.
Got any newbie tips for MT? They only teach lvl 1 3x a week id like to train everyday though. The classes are stagnated with boxing so the days i do not learn mt i can learn boxing, is this something i should do or just stick to one?
What grappling art tho? Hear bjj only works in the ring cuz rules+mats+only one guy etc.
Im also afraid to grapple in a fight, you never know whos with the guy starting shit. They may jump on you when you hit the ground
Ill do boxing as a boxer myself, with years of experience, the thing i thin kgives muay thai and advantage over boxing is clinching techineques, in boxing when clinched ur powerless until u breakt out of it.
(well not powerless but u loose most of ur hitting power).
While if someone in muay thai, gets clinched can still use their knee kicks, to hurt their opponent badly.
But Boxing is specially usefull ,because no martial artist hit as hard as a boxer.
If u get to boxing after a year, u will think ur peers at mt hit like school kids.
Stretch more and learn to get comfy with keeping your head and body lower.
Also in a real fight limit your kicks to their leg, a head kick is a high risk investment that could get you fucked up
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>bjj only works in the ring cuz rules+mats+only one guy
You're right about the one guy thing, but the rest doesn't really make much difference. Concrete will fucking hurt, yeah, but fighting isn't something you should be looking to do day in, day out. If you can get someone down and know bjj I doubt they'd be able to land much more than glancing blows. I imagine people who train solely in gi's will have issue though.
>should get down packed
I'm glad that you left this little yogi bear-ism in that retarded rant because it seems indicative of the kind of nonsense you're talking about
Training in a gi doesn't make you unable to switch your grip for over/under/collar tie. You will still know how to hurt someone.
BJJ is good when people make sure to train their stand up (judo and wrestling) alongside it.
Sport BJJ, where people do shit like pull inverted guard, should be allowed head stomps as a counter.
stretching is for fags, just bench heavy and wreck those manlets in there.
Is there any real value to practicing taekwondo or is that also a meme
>n boxing when clinched ur powerless until u breakt out of it.
But that's a lie.
I'm torn between wanting to be competent at fighting and not wanting to lose brain cells
Define 'real value'. WTF Taekwondo might be a bit impractical, but ITF Taekwondo is legit.
Life is short, if you take pleasure in dueling then do it!
If its like tai chi or wing chun its probably outdated unless you strictly compete against these styles though the art itself is very ascetic
>You won't hurt them
You sure won't.
Real value meaning could it help with balance or coordination, like the way wing chun is good for stretching
Taekwondo of all kinds would definitely have real value then.
Is MMA vital for SWAT or military career?
Probably for SWAT, probably not necessary (although beneficial) in military.
Then don't take too many hits. Besides, you'll be fine unless you do it as a career and are getting knocked around every single day. If it's just a hobby, you won't even accumulate too much damage.
>What are so exercises and stretches i should learn?
forward splits, box splits, gl hf
Start with these stretches, don't injure yourself. Know your limitations and slowly and wisely push them.
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Taekwondo is definitely not a meme. If anyone ever tells you that taekwondo is a meme you've just found a person expressing opinions on something they have no business doing. Taekwondo is primarily just different takedowns and shit.
Assuming taekwondo is a meme is like assuming that the only reason to fight on the ground is when someone else takes you down. Which is quite absurd.
>no martial artist hit as hard as a boxer
nice meme
Thanks guys.
The gym teaches muay thai and boxing for beginners on the same day, actually boxing starts as soon as muay thai finishes. Would be beneficial to utilize the boxing classes?
Refer to earlier in the thread where the guy asked about doing Muay Thai and Wing Chun - the same applies to you.
(Focus on just one until you're elite at it, then introduce the other art once you're very proficient with the first)
>(better used on people who dont know how to fight, you wont hurt them )
You mean like people who are going to start learning muay thai?
At my gym there's a punching bag that some people use and man, do I mire alot when that happens. Just wondering, is there anyway I can become a novice at boxing just at home without a punching bag? Fucking love boxing and even though I barely watch it cause I don't know where and I ain't paying for PPV, I admire boxers and want to be one.
started mt six months ago. didn't have any experience in any kind of fighting.
now i can kick better (head high), stopped closing my eyes when getting hit, can mantain stance when fighting, can complete a full training without get too much winded.
that's pretty much it, so far. In the rhythm I'm taking (2 classes per week), it's gonna take 2 years for me to get good at it, I'm guessing.
then I will add jiu jitsu, for 2 more years. from them on, who knows
I second this. The muy Thai is the right direction but wing china is just going backwards. Why would you not want to hurt someone in self defense? You've clearly never been in a self defensive situation (u will want to do whatever necessary to get out). Don't do wing shit
> is there anyway I can become a novice at boxing just at home without a punching bag?
No. If you want to box, find a boxing gym.
Every September, when new people sign in to my gym, there's one guy that spent months in this garage "getting in shape" and getting terrible habits. They either spend several months working on them or quit entirely.
punching the bag its just a part of boxing.
there's footwork, dodging punches, slipping punches, picking up opponents patterns, getting punched. etc. none of those can be learned only with the punching bag.
6 months are far too less in order to learn a martial art. Stick with one striking art and when you get better learn a grappling art.
Not sure if Wing Chun works.
I recommend certain styles off Karate, TKD, Sanda and of course MT. Everything else seems to be a meme.
You'll learn the needed stretches and exercises from training.
Just stick with the muay thai my dude. Or at least pick a proper martial art to go on to like judo or something
Dont do it nigga, I did it for 4 years and its a waste of time. I did kickboxing for just as long and its basically just better in every way.
Isnt kickboxing watered down muay thai?
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KB had a lot of influence on modern MT. Its basically KB with elbows and knees.
Saying KB is watered down MT is like saying Boxing is watered down KB.
muay thai is for when you're up against somebody who actually knows what they're doing. People who know what they're doing don't pick fights. BJJ is actually useful for self-defense (as is a gun tbqh).
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Depends on how you think about it. Dutch style Mt is heavily kb based. However the traditional type isn't.
The different is both in their goto techniques as well as their philosophy towards engaging.
I've personally ever only done Dutch style though.
Muay Thai for striking
Judo for throws, takedowns and joint manipulation
Jiujitsu for grappling, groundwork and joint manipulation
Jet Kune Do for fluidity, integration and footwork (and the efficiency mindset)
Self defense classes for a focus on environmental awareness and weapon knowledge
A knife
A gun
There is literally no better combination.
I'm not even going to bother reading through this thread but if you get a good bjj coach it's one o fthe best workouts going
Ah yeah that's what i meant by modern, especially thanks to MMA. But what I tries to say is saying KB is wateres down MT is stupid, as only one really influenced the other
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>There's nothing wrong with taking wing chun
DO NOT DO WING CHUN IT IS A MEME. BIGGEST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE. I did both Muay Thai and Wing Chun and Wing Chun is completely useless. THe only reason it even stays relevant is because "Muh Bruce Lee". You can spend that time you were planning to do for Wing Chun on another martial art, more Muay Thai, general fitness, or something else. Wing Chun is completely useless as a combat sport, it isn't used in MMA at all because it is so ineffective.
Its pretty fun, if you have the time a money to learn it that is.
A friend of mine learned WC for like 7 months after he had to stop fighting in the ring. The guy whips it out on our friends for fun when we get drunk a rowdy. Truly a crowd pleaser and it baffles normies.
sure
Ok while Wing Chun is a meme, I do have to admit that normies think you are a martial arts master when you do it even though you can't beat people up with it. My family was easily impressed with the stupid shit we did because it looked so fancy.
Sure jump on both from what I understand boxing is just mt without knees elbows and clinching I don't see how it could hurt