*Thrall establishes Orgrimmar*

>live like animals on shitty tribal world
>”we wuz chiefs an sheeit”
>drink demon cum and fuck up own world
>invade Azeroth and destroy innocent kingdoms
>play victim card and form a coalition of other abominations and misfit fucks
>”da alliance is evil, strength and honur”

Fuck off green-niggers. I wish Blackmoore’s internment camp had been a death camp and he’d gassed the lot of you tusked chimps.

Pic related, Khaz Modan forever

>soyllie detected

nigger what the orcs were fighting the ogres, the Draenei were just jews living in their crystal cities refusing to share their technology with the orcs. Then once the orcs had cucked the ogres they had already united into a mighty warband and Ner'zhul got cucked by Kil'jaedan into corrupting his people to wipe out the Draenei.

So does Veeky Forums just not have mods or what?

This thread is 10x times better than iq and race threads.

>goats want to start war

No they didn't, a demon disguised as the orc ancestors appeared in a vision to the orc spiritual leader and told him to destroy the space goats

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The towering intellect of Alliance revisionists, everyone.

>this is what Space goat apologists actually believe

>we had a bad dream so we should genocide an entire race

The absolute state of greenskins. How can people even defend this

It's in the Warcraft manual. Hell it's one of the few plot points that didn't get retconned over the years.

sargeras was right

Gonna need a source on that one

The Warcraft manual? Not him but if he doesn't have it on hand you're fucked. I don't see any reason to doubt it

It's literally a very shitty DnD knockoff which itself was a kind of a shitty Tolkienesque amalgamation fantasy knockoff. And if you didn't just play the custom games on WCIII, I'll make fun of you.

Listen to you, you haven't even read the primary source and you believe him.
It's funny how easily people are brainwashed; they don't even question what they're told.
>bu-bu some one told me there's a credidble source for muh 6 million

>And if you didn't just play the custom games on WCIII, I'll make fun of you.
Heh, oddly a common phenomenon. I played way more of that than woe

It's a knock off of warhammer. It was made to be a warhammer game but gamesworkshop pulled their creative liscense at some point

>you haven't even read the primary source
Sauce? You're no better right now.

Requesting Dwarf OC

>It was at this time that Kil'jaeden discovered the lush world of Draenor floating peacefully within the Great Dark Beyond. Home to the shamanistic, clan-based orcs and the peaceful draenei, Draenor was as idyllic as it was vast. The noble orc clans roamed the open prairies and hunted for sport, while the inquisitive draenei built crude cities within the world's towering cliffs and peaks. Kil'jaeden knew that Draenor's denizens had great potential to serve the Burning Legion if they could be cultivated properly.
>Of the two races, Kil'jaeden saw that the warrior orcs were more susceptible to the Legion's corruption. He enthralled the elder orc shaman, Ner'zhul, in much the same way that Sargeras brought Queen Azshara under his control in ages past. Using the cunning shaman as his conduit, the demon spread battle lust and savagery throughout the orc clans. Before long, the spiritual race was transformed into a bloodthirsty people. Kil'jaeden then urged Ner'zhul and his people to take the last step: to give themselves over entirely to the pursuit of death and war. Yet the old shaman, sensing that his people would be enslaved to hatred forever, somehow resisted the demon's command.
>Frustrated by Ner'zhul's resistance, Kil'jaeden searched for another orc who would deliver his people into the Legion's hands. The clever demonlord finally found the willing disciple he sought - Ner'zhul's ambitious apprentice, Gul'dan. Kil'jaeden promised Gul'dan untold power in exchange for his utter obedience. The young orc became an avid student of demonic magic and developed into the most powerful mortal warlock in history. He taught other young orcs the arcane arts and strove to eradicate the orcs' shamanistic traditions. Gul'dan showed a new brand of magic to his brethren, a terrible new power that reeked of doom.

Keep in mind this was written before the draenei and eredar were retconned to be the same thing, but it was always intended that the orcs didn't start evil.

Btfo

Page number?

Seconded

I don't know, this is from the parts of the various warcraft manuals that got copypasted into little books you could find in vanilla wow. If you're diligent enough you can find all of the lore from the WC1-3 manuals this way.

So you're just expecting me to believe this a credible source then when literally everything gets retconned randomly?

This particular plot point was never retconned for two reasons. One being that it doesn't contradict anything written later so it was unnecesary, and more importantly because it reinforces the narrative that the orcs were victims.

GDI would kick the shit out of the orcs. Just sayin'

Well no shit, even the most basic GDI soldier has a submachinegun

>Implying you have a copy

Why are you shooting up a decent thread over a fucking page number? What a loser

This is more Draenor history, but okay
>Titans stroll around the universe looking for more baby Titans/Worlds that have souls in them
>Aggramar, one of the Titans, stumbles upon a world being choked to death by a massive, mystically linked forest
>Aggramar wished to stop this, but couldn't directly intervene because he was too HUEG, so he crafted a mountain into a mighty servant named Grond
>pic related
>Grond fucked up the living forest real good before dying
>from his rocky corpse rose the Colossals, who Aggramar gifted artifacts of great power, and instructed them to eradicate the rest of the living forest
>Aggramar then fucked off on urgent business, and was killed
>from the Colossals slain in the conflict arose the Magnaron, who were big dudes who didn't care much about fighting the forest
>later, some of the Magnaron would devolve into smaller half-stone creatures called Gronn
>some of the Gronn continued devolving into one-eyed Ogron
>some Ogron evolved into Ogres, but were enslaved by Ogron
>from the Ogres arose the Orcs, who were mostly confined to caves because of the larger creatures fucking up the outside world
>meanwhile there's some shit happening with Bird Gods and Bird Men that ends up with a bunch of magic memory crystals scattered all over the place
>these are Apexis crystals
>some of the Bird Men want to reclaim the glory of their ancestors, so they team up an Ogre slave named Gog to try and get the crystals out from under and Ogron settlement
>they teach Gog magic, but instead of killing Ogron, he kills the Gronn the Ogron worshipped
>this rallies the Ogres to his side, and Gog founds an Ogre empire, renames himself Gorgog, and tells the Bird Men to fuck off
>thus was born the Gorian Empire
>now that the Ogron and the Gronn were fucking dead, the Orcs were finally able to move into the open, and began to form clans
>cont.

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>in mountainous Gorgrond arose the Laughing Skull, Lightning's Blade, Dragonmaw, and Blackrock Clans
>the Blackrock were known for their use of a metal made from the bones of those Colossal guys from earlier
>in the horrible jungles of Tanaan arose the Bleeding Hollow Clan, and the cannibalistic Bonechewer Clan
>In Frostfire arose the Frostwolf, Whiteclaw, and Thunderlord Clans.
>The first two befriended wolves to hunt with, while the Thunderlords just hunted BIG SHIT
>Down in the relatively nice land of Talador arose the Burning Blade, Redwalker, and Bladewind Clans
>Another clan went onto the plains of Nagrand, and was constantly in conflict with the Gorian Empire
>they are the Warsong Clan
>one clan went on over to Shadowmoon Valley, and you get one guess what their name was
>they were spiritual and shit
>they were the first to figure out the whole "Shaman" thing, establishing a long relationship between the Elementals and the Orcs
>eventually the mages of the Gorian Empire saw the Shamans at work and decided they'd like a piece of that pie
>so the Ogres sent an army to the Throne of the Elements
>unfortunately, the Throne of the Elements was on top of Grond's remains, and exploded when they started slinging magic around
>this threw the elementals into torment and chaos
>under a Shaman of the Shadowmoon Clan, the Orcish Clans gathered together to try and fix things
>so the Ogres to start slaughtering every Orc his armies got their hands on
>the Orcs laid siege to the Gorian capital, sundering their trade network while being unable to take the city itself
>so the Ogres developed a plague based on Bird Man Crystals, the Red Pox, and unleashed it onto the Orcs
>so the shamans asked the elements to destroy the city
>and they did
>there were no survivors
>shaken, the Orcs returned home, but the Red Pox remained endemic among the Orcs
>the other two Ogre cities, Highmaul and Bladespire, were left effectively independent
>AND THEN ALIENS

>For thousands of years, a splinter faction of Eredar who refused to join the Burning Legion had fled the Legion's wrath aboard bigass ships powered by sentient Light chandeliers called Naaru
>they jumped from world to world, but eventually crashed upon Draenor
>many of them died on impact, and all three of the Naaru wound up broken and entered into a Void state
>this would have some theological effect on the Orcs, as the souls of the dead would wind up drawn to the crashed ship, allowing the Orcs access to the wisdom of their ancestors
>they named the world "Exile's Refuge", or Draenor, and themselves "Exiles", or Draenei
>they built a city where Goria itself once stood, which angered the Ogres into attacking
>they lost pretty hard
>in the aftermath, most Orcs decided not to fuck with the Draenei, except the Bladewinds, who raided their caravans
>also a new clan happened when Orc slaves rebelled against the Highmaul Ogres, forming the Shattered Hand under Kargath Bladefist
>meanwhile, the Bladespire Ogres created a slave race of half-ogre half-orcs called "Mok'Nathal", and tried using them to conquer their neighbors
>it didn't work too good, because the slaves allied with the local Orcs against their masters
>and then the Burning Legion finally found the place
>Kil'Jaedan, manipulative jackass that he is, found the weakest, least impressive, most pathetic Orc he could: Gul'Dan
>Gul'Dan was taught the ways of Fel magic, and promised greater power in exchange for service and information to manipulate Orcish society
>and thus was born the first Warlock
>Kil'Jaedan's plan was simple: recreate the events that led the Orcs to unify centuries ago to fight off the Gorian Empire, get his pawns into positions of power, and use the unified Orcish race to finally eradicate the Draenei
>and after that? The Legion's goal for the last ten thousand years
>Azeroth

I didn't know most of that; thanks for sharing user;
Draenor truly was a Savage world.

How the fuck did this thread survive for so long?

If the Eredar and the Legion have space ships, why didn't they just travel to Azzy and drop rocks at stuff? Why this whole contrived orc affair?

Mods are asleep. But it is one of the better threads on Veeky Forums right now. Kind of makes me wonder why I waste my time here.

>Kil'Jaedan had Gul'Dan cripple the elements with Fel Magic, and spread the deadly Red Pox among the clans
>besides the environmental chaos this threw Draenor into, the Red Pox itself was a deadly plague
>at a yearly gathering of the Clans, the Orcs discussed what was to be done about these issues
>the Shadowmoon Chieftain, the wise shaman Ner'Zhul, convinced the infected Orcs to go into voluntary quarantine
>Gul'Dan gained Ner'Zhuls trust, mainly by trading (fabricated on Gul'Dan's part) stories of loss, and was accepted into the Shadowmoon Clan
>Gul'Dan quickly used that position to convince the desperate Bladewind Clan that the Draenei caused the Red Pox outbreak and the elemental problems, and that killing them would fix everything
>so they launched a massive series of raid, killing and capturing many Draenei, and attempting to appease the elements through rituals
>this made many of the Draenei PLATINUM MAD, and they launched an assault on the Bladewind
>they nearly fought to the last, and the survivors were killed by Gul'Dan, who used it as propaganda
>meanwhile, Kil'Jaedan invaded Ner'Zhul's dream in the form of his dead wife, and told him the Draenei were trying to eradicate the Orcs
>and so the clans united beneath the banner of the Horde
>meanwhile, Gul'Dan had been inducting the Shadowmoon Shamans into his own little band of Warlocks
>Ner'Zhul did discover the deception, but by that point Gul'Dans little cabal was too strong for him to do much else but sit, imprisoned in his own clan
>Kil'Jaedan then commanded Gul'Dan to find the Horde a leader able to get things done
>Gul'Dan chose the Blackrock chieftain, and offered him power and glory
>the Blackrock Shamans were instructed in the ways of the Fel, and they in turn were able to rapidly age the young Orcs into mature warriors
>cont.

I'm more or less paraphrasing what the Chronicle says. It's some good shit.

>first order of business for the Shadow Council?
>silencing the Whiteclaw Clan, the loudest critics of the Horde
>Garona, the ensorcelled Half-Draenei assassin the Shadow Council controlled, butchered the Whiteclaw chieftain
>it was time to formalize things
>Gul'Dan called the Clans together, and revealed the horrible "truth"
>the elementals had abandoned them, and the only way to defeat the treacherous Draenei was to embrace the new power of Fel magic, as the might Blackrock clan had
>the Shaman, long cut off from their power, clamored for access to the stuff
>and then Gul'Dan suggested that, perhaps, it might be a good idea if there was a single military leader to coordinate the Horde?
>and who better than the chieftain of the resurgent Blackrocks?
>and so the Warchief was named, the Horde was organized, and a new clan was formed to act as the elite of the Horde: the Black Tooth Grin
>and as Fel magic was embraced by the Orcs, their skin turned green
>the Horde war machine rolled across the world, crushing Draenei oupost after outpost
>in a last ditch effort to stop Fel magic from fucking up the world, the elementals called forth Draenor's Firelord to crush them
>Gul'Dan and his warlocks destroyed it, forming a giant fel volcano where it once stood
>they then aided in the siege of the second-greatest Draenei city, Karabor, by tapping into the power of one of the Void-state Naaru and bringing it crashing down onto the temple
>the place was desecrated, sacked, and cursed by the Void energy, and became known as the Black Temple
>Kil'Jaedan then decided to further strengthen/corrupt the Orcs to ensure they could destroy Shattrath, the greatest Draenei city
>they would drink the blood of Mannoroth, a powerful demon, empowering them and shackling them to the Legion's will
>Ner'Zhul found out about this, and warned the chieftains, but only the Frostwolf chieftain listened
>also Ogrim Doomhammer, he also didn't
>just him
>the rest were 100% on board

The long and short of it is Azeroth is REALLY far away for conventional travel, thus they can only really get there using gates that already exist on the planet.

But they'd need someone to build the Azzy end of the portal, right? So why not just work their influence in and through an actor in Azzy directly? It's not like there wouldn't have been willing participants and dienfranchised factions wanting willing to topple the World Order. Or is it implied that the powers-that-be of Azzy had wizened up thanks to the botched D-Day of 10k ago and were capable of sniffing out snipping said influence before it could grow to enough to endanger the status quo? Hence the useful function of the orcish invasion in getting some shit in the actual fan for once.

Also, how did the space goat space ships made it to Kalimdor? Did they go throught the portal?

Why didn't he just go through the stargate

Bless you, user

>Victory or Death!
>Muh Hobor
*leaves the battlefield*

He literally just told you the source your mouthbreather