I often see people wondering why almost all of human achievement is concentrated in such a tiny region of the world.
It's an interesting question that I don't have a full answer to, but part of it is that there were five great civilisations spread out around the Mediterranean and across five millennia, all connected to each other: the first centered in Iraq, the second in Egypt, the third in Greece, the fourth in Israel, and the fifth in France, and each radiating outward. There were also two other great civilisations centered in India and China, but they were too isolated from the Mediterranean cluster to make more than anecdotal contributions.
That doesn't answer why those five civilisations appeared there though.
Leo Cook
Centrality to global trade
Nolan Cook
That region is all the way to the West of Eurasia, it's hardly central.
Ian Young
GENETICS E N E T I C S
Chase Thomas
>I often see people wondering why almost all of human achievement is concentrated in such a tiny region of the world.
It's not. You had clusters of civilization, the arts, writing, and other hallmarks of society and culture in the far east and in the Americas as well. It's just most english speaking people come from cultures and socieites that trace their routes back to Mediterrian civilizations. If you lived in the far east in Asia, you, other people you know, and your society would place that sort of value on ancient china, india, etc.
The Americas have the unfortunate reality that the Spanish burned and destroyed nearly all their records and culturally speaking there's not that much connection to the original advanced civilizations there outside of cuisine.
Landon Watson
China and India were largely irrelevant to the construction of the modern world, American wholly so, probably due to partial and total isolation respectively from the place where the modern world was constructed, which is the Mediterrano-Atlantic region.
Justin Garcia
>The Americas have the unfortunate reality that the Spanish burned and destroyed nearly all their records only 3 tribes had records.
Luis Watson
This to an extent. An obvious amount of cataloging and technological advancements were in the eastern part of the world as we know of because of the cataloging and other written forms of explanation of them. Places like the Americas for example to a much less amount didn't have much in the way as such a large catalog of history to explain the culture and technological advancements around them. Also the influence of the Mediterranean super powers on modern day Europe and america is much greater than the influences it got from Japan (a super power of it's own time) or more north Icelandic regions because of its convenient out reach to European culture, then to American culture.
TLDR: The outreach of other places weren't as influential or cataloged, so all advancements made by the less influential are more or less unknown are created down the line.
Easton Ross
Asia is a part of the modern world you dumbass, that's my point. In those countries, much of the culture is still descended from their original civilizations, and much of the hallmarks of modern society they indepednetly invented or contributed as much to via cultural interchange as europe itself did.
You are woefully ignorant. Both Mesoamerica and the Andes were predominately filled with urban, state socities (not tribes) with actual complex organized governments for hundreds to thousands of years before europeans showed up. There were hundreds of actual political states and cities. Just because popular culture only mentions the Aztec, maya, and inca doesn't mean those are the only ones. Here's a map of Mesoamerica and Central America during the time of contact. Only the shit labeled with "territorio" were actual tribes. Everything else was either city-states, kingdoms, or empires. As you can see, only Northern mexico, and the Yucatan downwards had tribal socieites, and even then all of the Yucatan was filled with state based cities prior to the Classical maya collapse in 900ad.
Go read all the posts in and educate yourself. There's a series of around 15 posts that is detailing all Mesoamerican history and it's political landscape over time in a pretty good amount of detail
>. Places like the Americas for example to a much less amount didn't have much in the way as such a large catalog of history to explain the culture and technological advancements around them That's really not accurate: The Mesoamericans left detailed records for stuff like taxes, land surveys, as well as ethno-cultural accounts for migrations, how cities were founded, the accomplishments of notable rulers, etc. They basically recorded their own history as much as ancient old world cultures did.
The problem is all almost of their books were burned. If you read the other thread I linked, you'll see how much we know about just from the few that's left
Carter Jones
It is worth noting though that even the stuff in central america that's not marked with terrotorio wouldn't have been that complex, but everything inside this circle that's not "territorio" would have been basically bronze or iron age level complex in most regards
Cooper Brown
>five great civilisations such as Israel and France >no mention of Rome >Mediterranean sea being relevant fo the rise of Mesopotamian civilisation
Gabriel Davis
China is now part of the periphery of Western civilisation, as is the rest of the world. And it was almost irrelevant to the development of that civilisation.
Angel Wood
>Rome has nothing to do with Greece >Mesopotamia isn't close to the Mediterranean
Your picture is a good representation of your IQ.
Ian Hall
And i'm saying that's wrong. Asian nations have strong cultural roots still in their native cultures, and "western civilization" has high amounts of interchange with the East, especially the Near East.
The only places where western culture truly just overtook the native ones is the Americas thanks to colonialism, with Asia it's more a case of the same sorts of cultural interchange you saw in ancient times then cultural imperlaism
Ayden Miller
You would have a much better point if you said almost all of human achievement is concentrated in Northwestern Europe. The industrial revolution, the development of modern technology, electricity, etc the sum of human achievement was achieved in Northwestern Europe. The Mediterranean fell behind drastically in the 19th century.
Before the industrial revolution, the Mediterranean region wasn't that much more advanced then China, India, or even Mesoamerica as already mentioned here. The real gap between the different regions of the world came about as a result of the industrial revolution.
Nicholas Howard
>Paris and London included You can't be fucking serious
Aiden Scott
>There were also two other great civilisations centered in India and China, but they were too isolated from the Mediterranean cluster to make more than anecdotal contributions.
Most of the things western civilization "invented" was just things people east of them already discovered.
Heck, western Philosophy was founded on the principles of Zoroaster. Itself a reaction against the Vedic traditions. Themselves a fusion between Harappan civilization + indo-iranian culture.
Jaxon Martin
Western philosophy is poder than Zoroaster, retard
Nolan Baker
>China and India were largely irrelevant to the construction of the modern world
Yeah i mean, it's not like the peripheric western civilization exploited their raw materials from those places to make the world happen as it did today.
Andrew Myers
This dildo needs to include arabia, india and china. Also Carthage is on it but not mentionned, who's the brainlet who've done this map?
Angel Martin
>China is now part of the periphery of Western civilisation
So why hasn't the great Western civilization manage to conquer China or India the same way as they did with Indians or Africans?
Gavin Gray
The "industrial revolution" is a meme, what changed the world is the Scientific Revolution, and fucking Scandinavia had jack shit to do with it.
Samuel Nguyen
>the most important city in human history included
Wow incredible
James Murphy
>having some raw materials buried underground is an achievement of Chinese civilisation
It literally fucking did you dumbass.
Holy shit you people are literally retarded. As in literally literally retarded, I can't believe you'd have an IQ higher than 70. You probably have your caretakers type up your mental diarrhea because there's no way you learned how to operate a computer yourselves.
Andrew Gutierrez
Can you even name one Carthaginian contribution to civilization?
Lincoln Cox
>The "industrial revolution" is a meme I've never heard a more idiotic statement in all of my life
Evan Brooks
killing a lot of r*mans
Jaxson Brown
>Needing to base your entire "civilization" from other's raw resources as an achievement
Weak
>It literally fucking
Haha, it's such a periphery that now it threatens to change the rules of the global economic system by adopting neo-liberalism
Charles Walker
Wanna know how I know you're a bongoloid?
Dylan Sanchez
Nigger you didn't even know India had been colonised, at least save what's left of your dignity and stop posting forever.
Robert Bell
>Claim to be center of the world
>Worship and base all your civilizational knowledge from the east
kek
Ian Flores
a lot of coast a lot of metals a lot of ecosystems useful animals some places give very good crops