Where did everything go so wrong?

Probably, idgaf, just funny seeing pajeets get triggered by pakis

london

It never went right

Just like India

Islam a bad

This

Islam is dysgenic

WikiLeaks is also full of shit. Most of the things they report isn't even in the emails.

Jinnah died before he could remove the corrupting influence of kebab from his dream of a secular state

Muslims.

If anybody's interested in the actual (most concise) reason instead of trolling, it's because the politicians sucked, military dictators exploited the discontent to seize power for themselves, and created the military-mullah nexus leaning on a corrupted version of Islam for legitimacy which has just fucked up everything. And the politicians never stopped sucking. Lack of education means this isn't going to get fixed any time soon.

>A corrupted version of Islam
As opposed to?

a non-corrupted version of islam
not really hard to get that one no?

Nowhere

paki girls are true aryans

>t. Allesandro the Pajeet
This pajeet is so predictable

This kills the Pajeet.

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What muslim country has there been that hasn't been a corrupt shithole?

bourgiba's tunisia and ataturk's turkey come to mind even if those 2 aren't doing as well right now they were still and are essentially muslim countires
and it's not like christian european countries aren't corrupt shithole like belarus ukraine and moldova

>Names two people famous for bringing secularization to their countries.

well you asked for muslim countries right?
it's not like christian nations were great because they were christian they were great because of secularization

>The Netherlands wasn't great before 1800's
European countries were great because they didn't have a shit religion fucking up their shit as much. Islam forbid muslims from trading with westerners. That's why during the Andalusia period the straits of Gibraltar were closed off to Christians. Thank those brave Spaniards for the reconquista.

the dutch were a republic that profited greatly from trade kinda like the ventians and they said fuck the Catholics that's why they were great
also why tf did you specify the netherlands exactly?
it's not like russia finland ireland and poland were not underdeveloped shitholes on par or worse with many muslim nations
religion doesn't stop yourfrom being a shithole Christian or muslim or otherwise
also fuck the spaniards for ruining grandan aesthetic

Where TF did you get the idea that Islam stops trading with nonmuslims?

Islam.

They only allowed Calvanists in public office and imposed it as the state religion. Overall, the christian countries weren't great because of christianity, but they weren't inhibited by their religion like the Muslims still are.
>Russia
Was pretty good until the Muslim khanates fucked shit up. Kievan Rus had extremely high rates of literacy for their time.
>Ireland
The English fucked them up.
>Poland
Pretty great until the Muslim Turks.
>Finland
How is Finland a shithole?

From looking at history. They didn't trade with Europeans in the Western Mediterranean until around the 1200's with the Genoans. Even then it was very small scale. They mainly used Jews as middle men even in India.

m8 russian tsardom was a proper shithole and the khanates fucked them up before converting
>ireland
and what if the english fucked them up? they were still proper fucked before they even came in how on earth can your main food resource be potatoes in the 19th century jeez
>poland
m8 the turks didn't even as much as scratch poland their neighbours and their internall troubles fucked them over muslims had nothing to do with that one
>finland
they were proper fucked before they industrialized after independence
and saying muslim countires were shit seems like a bit far fetched when it was the only reason they were relevant on the world stage and produced thinkers in the first place
do you think Berbers and the arabs could have had the likes of ibn khlodun ibn batuta and ibn sina and averroes if they didn't have a unifying force that brought knowledge from the east and west? if anything they'd be sub sahran tier
sure it wasn't perfect but it was generally good in the grand scheme of things

The Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) HIMSELF traded with Christians and Jews, so please provide me with the Islamic basis for your statement, and Muslims have been trading with nonmuslims for 1400 years, I don't know where you got the Jewish middleman theory, but even if it were true Muslims would be trading with Jews according to you. If you're talking about the Ottomans refusing European access to trade that's purely political.

Tsardom didn't begin until the Golden Horde was overthrown. Kievan Rus was before that invasion.

>WE HAD SMART PEOPLE
And to think, they could have contributed so much more if they hadn't been in Muslim shitholes.

It was the case for the Ottomans and the Andulusians. It fucked up the Atlantic and Mediterranean link and forced trade in Europe to be mainly land based until the reconquista pushed out the muslims. One of my main sources would be On the Ocean by Barry Cunliffe.

you're retarded and don't know what you're talking about.

I agree with your first point, but your latter point is incorrect.

then wtf are you on about m8? the khanates didn't do jack shit to russia if anything they were all absorbed i thought you were using the russian state and the rus interchangeably
also that's kinda stupid it's like saying what Galileo could have done if not for the church
they were there they were muslim and they did good
would they have done better had they been non-Muslim? unlikely since most of them were pretty much paid to work on muslim courts
heck they might have to been scientist in the first place
you're just delving into some REALLY REALLY big what ifs mate

the eternal anglo

>The khanates didn't do nuffin
Which is why the Russians had to overthrow them. And why Kievan Rus just happened to get destroyed at the same time they rolled in. Pure coincidence.

>wah don't vring uo what ifs
You fucking started that shit when you through in Ibn Khldoun and Ibn sita.