Hobbes was right

Another Anglo Philosopher who was right all along.

>man is naturally evil
Sounds more commie than Nazi

Hobbes and Locke are two sides of the same coin, Hobbes arguing that security is freedom, and Locke arguing that freedom is security. You need both in order for either to be meaningful

If only kings could be incorruptible
And the advice of a good parliament was taken serious without being law

Commies assume the proletariat are naturally good and a dictatorship of the proletariat would be benevolent.

>Hobbes was right

Hobbes never said man was evil, he said man is, by nature, more individualist than social

>People in their natural state are basically good
>Society is made by people

Not him, but Rousseau’s point was that people in a state of nature form intimate, close knit communities that are largely egalitarian, but in a state of society they become affected with “artificial self love”, or the sense of satisfaction that comes from being materially wealthier than one’s neighbors, which Rousseau describes as a spiritual hollowness.

I actually got into a girls pants by discussing Hobbes with her.
She had HUGE tracts of land... i miss her now

>the sense of satisfaction that comes from being materially wealthier than one’s neighbors
Why did he think 100% of the population are neurotically obsessed with this?

Haven’t you ever heard of the phrase “keeping up with the Jones’s”? How about Thorstein Veblen’s gloomy critique of conspicuous consumption, or Theodore Adorno’s critique of modern consumerism? They’re all commentaries on the same thing, and I don’t think anybody says that it is %100 of the population doing this... just the ones wealthy enough to afford it, and the ones not wealthy enough but almost, who throw their families into debt and financial ruin trying to keep up

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out-consume
Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel.

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist,
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.

Plato, they say, could stick it away,
Half a crate of whiskey every day.

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
And Hobbes was fond of his dram.

And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart,
"I drink, therefore I am."

You mean all of them?

Yes

Just seems like a bit of a stretch to declare this to be one of the fundamental ways in which society operates.

Would it be so difficult to dig a little deeper? Why would a teenager spend $300 on Air Jordans to fit in? What emotional forces are at play here? Humans are quick to hate and terrified of being ostracized. It is human nature and it manifests in a myriad of ways. A hipster might view himself as an anti-fascist anti-capitalist anti-classist anti-racist anti-homophobe feminist then hate someone for having an unfashionable taste in music.

Brilliant

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed,
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he’s pissed!