>anon0 - Black Africans don't have ancient civilization!!
>anon1 - [show examples]
>anon0 - .... [try to demonize and downplay]THEY PRACTICED HUMAN SACRIFICE AND WERE CANNIBALS
>anon1 - [show examples of non-African societies practicing human sacrifice and cannibalism], there are these things in a lot of regions in the ancient world, not only Africa.
>anon0 - ... hum.. hum... THESE PRACTICES STILL EXIST IN AFRICA!!!
>anon1 - There is also a lot of cases in India today(2006, 28 cases, four months, northern province of Uttar Pradesh for example + Aghoris), do you want to deny the contribution of India to civilization? Why don't you go on threads about ancient India trying to demonize them because of cannibalism and sacrifice? It's disappearing slowly in India because of modernization, and now only poor people in India practice human sacrifice, it will probably in Africa.
>anon0 - ... hum... hum... NIGGERS ARE EVILS WE WUZ KANGZ N SHEEIT MEMES MEMES KEK
Why it's like that in EVERY. SINGLE. THREAD. ABOUT. SSA AFRICA? Can't we talk about them without trying to makes their bad habits the center of the discussion? Why anon0 has to demonize and makes bad things the center of the conversation?
Because anon0 don't like niggers, I think that's obvious
Camden Cruz
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Daniel Sullivan
It's easy to avoid this, ban anyone who posts on /pol/
Brody King
How can I ask the mods to do this?
Dylan Cox
Images aren't arguments, boy.
Christopher Lopez
that literally never happens
stop guilting
Connor Hall
For more than one hours they were talking about cannibalism and human sacrifice as if it was the center of the discussion
Lincoln Cook
Mesoamerica threads started this way too. It was rife with muh human sacrifice shitposting. But they got better as people actually well read on the topics constantly BTFO them. So there is hope for Africa threads you just need more knowledgable people on the subject posting. I mean some shitposting is expected (and it's fun) and most threads have some of it. But it sucks when it derails a good thread or interesting topic.
Juan Jenkins
Thanks user, I hope too. Shitposting can be fun and that's what makes Veeky Forums different, but as you said it sucks when it derails a good thread or interesting topic.
Ian Williams
you know goddamn well why. /pol/
Jordan Gutierrez
>Censor views I dont agree with Liberals everyone.
Colton James
Black Africans did not have civilization. This is a fact.
Asher Murphy
And somehow is?
Zachary Carter
Listen, I debated people like you like 100 times today, I'm fucking tired
Read these books and let me sleep :
- African Archaeology (Third Edition), by David. W. Phillipson - The Oxford Handbook of African Archaeology - indigenous African institutions
Then, you can also challenge people on r/AskHistorians, me, I'm to fucking tired.
Jack Rodriguez
>I argue with people on Veeky Forums all day That's just really an insult to you.
Ian Gutierrez
I ain't liberal but /pol/ is so retarded, they come here and ruin everything
Ethan Green
You know, I'm a lonely-ass and I need to discuss, Veeky Forums is the only website where I can discuss instantly, without having an identity, and then forget about it, because I don't have any identity, it's not like history forums or Reddit where you've to wait 5 days to have an answer and where you have an identity.
Jace Morris
All african threads are raided with shit posters calling them stone age Hunter gatherers
Fucking retard, instead of socializing with people outdoor you want to stay a lonely-ass and discuss on Veeky Forums, because you "can discuss instantly, without having an identity". Fucking idiot.
That's why you will be a virgin all your life, fucking scum.
Andrew Lee
settle down m80
James Gutierrez
My nigga chill
Julian Torres
t. someone discussing on Veeky Forums
Jeremiah Sanders
That's because SSA people have never achieved anything positive on their own so there is only negatives to discuss.
Samuel Cook
>thinks "Great Zimbabwe" is an example of any ancient civilization that deserves praise
Jace Sullivan
The concept of "civilization" is a European concept. Africans had no "civilization" in the literal, strict sense. Just like Germanic barbarians had no "civilization". Native Americans had no "civilization", etc
Having buildings does not mean being civilized. Even some animals build homes.
Bentley Morgan
Or Ile-Ife, or Benin, or Mali, Songhai, Ghana, Dahomey, Nok, Oyo, Axum, Sao and Kush.
Chase Anderson
I've read some African history in the past, i'm not an expert but what I have read can be quickly resumed this way:
>people living like shit >1 out of every 1000 of them decides to do something about it >Raises the standard of living significantly >some mouth breathing retard nigger chimps out trying to take what the other nigger built >usually either wins or destroys everything in the process >back to square one >pretty much nothing of in-between is ever properly written down and recorded
It's a FACT that SSA was never been able to create a long lasting civilization on it's own, blame it on whatever you want: strong tribe affiliation, bad geography, bad weather conditions, unlucky circumstances, weak kings, lack of proper organized military forces, foreign intervention. Explain it whatever way you want, but the fact of the matter is that there is very little to actually talk about in regards to pre-muslim SSA.
William Gutierrez
Sao was long-lasting, same for Mali Empire, Kanem Empire or Kush.
Aiden Nguyen
Name a long lasting European civilizations with no outside influences Rome and Greece don't count
Why not? Rome and Greece are THE European civilizations, everyone else agrees that the rest of Europe was the same as Africa before them, except for parts of coastal Spain that were actually advanced.
Brayden Baker
That's a bit of a bad comparison, wouldn't you say? Africa is a massive continent, and Europe is small, and close to where the major ancient cosmopolitan places were. Much of it was covered in ice as well
But, the distant slavs and upper Scandinavians were for a long time outside of influences
Thomas Reed
You're exaggerating and doing the same error Eurocentrists are doing...
Henry Williams
WE WAZ IRON AGE IN THE 19TH CENTURY
Adam Rodriguez
He said that because Greece was heavily influenced by the middle east.
Luke Rogers
They had outside influences all the things thier famous the didn't invent chairiots the helmets bronze agriculture writing the alphabet architecture was introduced to them by outsider from the middle east
Xavier Howard
Nok culture is in the 19th century?
Kayden Butler
> everyone else agrees that the rest of Europe was the same as Africa before them That's really not true. New archeology is kind of disproving the whole "Europe was a backwash before Christianity saved the day" meme from the Middle-Ages
Biggest example might be Warren Field, where Scots were tracking the moon before Babylonians. Or the Amber Road
>Biggest example might be Warren Field, where Scots were tracking the moon before Babylonians. Or the Amber Road Interesting
Ian Reed
There is a difference between removing a message because you disagree with it and removing it because it's written with literal shit and is staring to smell.
Henry Lewis
>Breaks global rule 3 >Ruins other boards by trolling and ignorance >Ruins fucking everything >Complains when people report their posts and ask for them to be banned
SO MOCH FOH DA TOLAYRHANT LEFTT!!!
Adrian Miller
>At Egaro, west of Termit, material has been dated earlier than 2500 BC, which makes African metalworking contemporary with that of the Middle East.
>Iron use, in smelting and forging for tools, appears in Nok culture by at least 550 BC and possibly earlier. Data from historical linguistics suggest that iron smelting was independently discovered in the region prior to 1000 BC
>Controversy flared again with the publication of excavations by Étienne Zangato and colleagues of their excavations in the Central African Republic.[14][15] At the site of Oboui they excavated an undated iron forge, for which they obtained eight consistent radiocarbon dates of 2000 BC. This would make Oboui the oldest iron working site in the world, and more than a thousand years older than any other dated evidence of iron in Central Africa. Opinion among African archaeologists is sharply divided. Some accept this interpretation, but it has also been suggested that Oboui is a highly disturbed site, with older charcoal having been brought up to the level of the forge by the digging of pits into older levels [16] Questions have also been raised about the unusually good state of preservation of metallic iron from the site.[17]
Ryder Morgan
Obvious BS given that historians know that iron smelting goes back to the ancient period, up to the Scramble for Africa.
Even if it wasn't true, why would that matter? Historians study the Mayans, Aztecs, etc who were not iron age by the time Europeans conquered their lands, and boards about them are still popular.
Why do kids/polacks think history is about the study of "worthy" civilizations?
Charles Gray
Yes, Europe didn't had a crib of civilization of it's own, civilization was brought to Europe by middle-eastens, and then Europeans adopted it and developed it.
This isn't a dick measuring contest, or a racist bashing considering some similar people lived below, in and above the Sahara, it's just a fact that there is very little factual history or great civilizations to talk about in regards to the pre-muslim geographic region of SSA.
I don't know what you are trying to say, but yes, we know a lot of those things were no invented in Europe, tho it's worth pointing out that modern Europeans are extensions of the same middle-East civilizations that did created some of those.
Carter Nguyen
Compare these shitty terracotta sculptures with the monuments the Greeks, Persians, Indians and Chinese were doing at the same period.
Nathaniel Taylor
He was talking about iron... but even if this is not the same period, here is an ile-ife head :
Anthony Taylor
>If I act retarded then I win the argument
Peak /pol/
William Allen
Date?
Leo Fisher
>At the same time Nok is 1000-2000BC, so here is what Greece was doing in 1000BC.
Their arts(the Greek) were better 500BC and started to look realist.
Brayden Rivera
c.1300 C.E
Liam Mitchell
>At the same time Here is a Chinese artifact, 1000BC
1300 CE? The chinese, egyptians, phoenicians etc. were doing better three millennia earlier.
Joseph Scott
1000 B.C Persians
Isaac Wright
That's cool, but I'm talking about Ile-Ife heads.
Asher Flores
>information and ideas can ONLY BE EXPRESSED IN A WAY I AM FAMILIAR AND COMFORTABLE WITH
literally you right now
Colton Green
C'est une pipe.
Joseph Parker
OP is a description of an event. Images made for reductionism purposes have no relevance against intelectual honesty discussion. OP is right.
Oliver Wright
Haha liberals get #rekt /pol/ wins again!!!
Brandon Bailey
Show me the metal sculptures of the Nok culture of the same period.
Samuel Rogers
Nok didn't use iron to do sculpture, they were using terracotta.
They used iron for tools.
A quote : >The finds included objects of wrought iron, a quantity of iron slag, fragments of tuyere, pottery, figurine fragments, red ocher, quartz hammer-stones, and small concentrations of charcoal >Fagg, Bernard. 1969. Recent work in west Africa: New light on the Nok culture. World Archaeology 1(1): 41–50.
Man this thread really pulled in the /pol/ fish. They genuinely can't stand talking even remotely postive or serious for that matter about Africans.
Parker Johnson
>it's just a fact that there is very little factual history or great civilizations to talk about in regards to the pre-muslim geographic region of SSA.
Pre-Islamic history of Gao : >The earliest mention of Gao is by al-Khwārizmī who wrote in the first half of the 9th century.[5] In the 9th century Gao was already an important regional power. Al-Yaqubi wrote in his Tarikh in around 872:
>There is the kingdom of the Kawkaw, which is the greatest of the realms of the Sūdān, the most important and most powerful. All the kingdoms obey its king. Al-Kawkaw is the name of the town. Besides this there are a number of kingdoms of which the rulers pay allegiance to him and acknowledge his sovereignty, although they are kings in their own lands.[6]
>Ibn al-Faqih (writing c. 903) mentions a caravan route from Egypt to ancient Ghana via Kawkaw.[7] but Ibn Hawqal (writing c. 988) states that the old route from Egypt to the Sudan was abandoned in the reign of the Egyptian ruler Ibn Tulun (ruled 868-884) as some of the caravans were attacked by bandits while others were overwhelmed by the wind-blown sand.[8] The more direct route was replaced by one that went to Sijilmasa before heading south across the Sahara.
Sao civilization is pre-Islamic. Kush is not Islamic. Mapungubwe is not Islamic.
Jeremiah Phillips
Every Forest empires and states are not Islamic.
Lucas Thompson
getting this mad on a Taiwanese Television forum
Asher Johnson
Stop whinging does anyone know where I can find the writings of Mali's philosophers
Ayden Anderson
Go to Timbuktu.
Juan Adams
Can an user with photoshop skills edit OP pic related to makes it cry?
Henry Evans
...Is this not the Mongolian basket weaving forum? *hides basket
>[show examples of non-African societies practicing human sacrifice and cannibalism], there are these things in a lot of regions in the ancient world, not only Africa. These things still happen in Africa, the rest of the world got over it, why havent they.
Parker Thomas
Hummm... it looks more like stone.
Gavin Hall
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade >Serge Bilé cites a 12th-century text which tells us that most well-to-do families in Canton had black slaves whom they regarded as savages and demons because of their physical appearance.
>Entire OP is basically just a leddit meme image whose basic format is OP is a fag confirmed
Mason Perez
These are just stones and terracota.
Justin Johnson
Completely distorting the thread I see.
What really happened >Africa user lying that Igbo(a tribe he presented as super civilized and advanced) were horrified of human sacrifice >numerous sources presented showing how Igbo practiced human sacrifice
Then we had anons trying to hide the fact that ALL their supposed civilized tribes had MASSIVE issue with murdering children and cannibalism >please don't talk about this, dat RACIST
Then we had some guy from Africa saying ritual mutilation and eating relatives is fine (KEK)
Then we had Africaboos claiming UN data about murdering children in Africa in rituals is fake
THE we had butthurt and claims Europe has the same amount of human sacrifice and child victims of rituals as Africa. Although there are literally thousands of cases in Africa in various countries.
Then we had a guy from Ghana who was honest enough to confirm that violence is everyday part of life in there(and even that country is one of the most advanced on the continent) not comparable to anything in Asia and Europe. He was of course shunned by Africaboos.
James Hall
No not really in Latin America ritual killings are even more common and in the middle east and India
