What is a purpose of the state?

What is a purpose of the state?
Is it state for the people or people for the state?

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The state protects the citizens from domestic and foregin threats. It also directs the development of their nation.

The state exists for the benefit of society. Not the other way around

The modern state is primarily a tool of class oppression. If you disagree explain why you think I'm wrong.

Primarily, the state is there to do all the tedious bullshit in society so that the average citizen doesn't have to and thus can live a more fulfilling life.

Class oppression would happen without a state, and would almost certainly be worse without a state. Or you'd just live in an apocalyptic farmer world.

The state is the mechanism by which society makes and implements decisions.

This. Every day, every hour that statesmen spend combing over and arguing about the specific minutae of laws is time you have the ability to spend doing something actually productive in the world.

No matter how powerful, how totalitarian the state is, it is ALWAYS for the sake of the people. Because at the end of the day, there are infinitely more regular people in a country than there are rulers.

I never said it wouldn't. Class oppression would obviously happen in Ancapistan. That's why i said the state is a tool of class oppression. The state simply enforces law and property rights. Without the state these duties would simply be privatized.

It's a naturally occurring phenomenon in human species. It arises because of how our species is hardwired to be social.
The state's "purpose" at the beginning of human civilization was to fill the necessity of resolving disputes between individuals, and give each of them a role to contribute in the society.

You should watch The Death of Stalin

Ideally, the state exists to protect its citizens and provide for their welfare. However, depending on who is in control of the state and how it is organized, it can easily be used as a tool against its citizens.

the state is a diety that serves God that men choose to create because the want to be given civilization in return.

The state serves to organise power.

It's an outmoded concept now though, and holding us back.

I expect we'll have weirder associations that ignore state boundaries based on shared ideas, not ideas of nation.

Define the state for me please.

a political territory.

So like a jurisdiction?

to be a middle man in negotiating between an individual and the rest of the society, be it in cities and towns, as for those who live remotely, state has no benefit thus legitimacy

>What is a purpose of the state?
Organizing communities.

>Is it state for the people or people for the state?
Both if it's doing its job good enough.

>What is a purpose of the state?
Broad organization of peoples within a territory.

>Is it state for the people or people for the state?
Neither.

A state is an abstract entity. When it is let to be unhindered, a state mirrors it’s citizens one to one. In history, for every discreet population, a state has always risen from within. That state we can see as forms: cities, systems to run society etc. It is the people that automatically paint the world around them with abstract entities like ”tribes”, ”nations”, ”communities”, ”states” etc. So it can be boiled down to observation that people and a state are different sides of a coin. One does not exist without another. A question that asks which one is for another one, is thus pointless.

As an example, ideologically authoritarian states, theologically authoritarian states, and dictatorships, are in their essence, very violent and constrictive toward their citizens as they oppress the natural tendency of a state to form. In these examples, the state goes first, the people second - not a very natural state of being. Another side of the spectrum is total anarchy, where there would not be state nor citizenship, no tribes, but every individual fighting each other, pillaging the world around them for their own needs.

One example where we can play around with these concepts is a post-modern hypothetical ”multicultural state”, which is ultimately an oxymoron: for a multicultural state to exist naturally, either it’s citizens have to be, blatantly expressed, 100% mutts. if they are not, as is the case in every western state where this state of being is pushed, authoritarianity or ideology must be implemented.

Therefore we can ask, is multicultural oppressive ideology that contradicts the very point it is driving for, ie. diversity, truly a way to express happiness?

>purpose
it isn't a planned and designed thing. it's something that has evolved, mostly out of military and adminstratory junk.

The state should be for the people but in recent times it's become the other way around, which defeats the purpose. If the state only serves itself while using the people as a tool to achieve this, then it's corrupt and needs to be overthrown. But modern people are too weak and slavish to ever rise up and risk losing their comfortable lives.