Are there any times in ancient history where a civilisation/society gave up their only way to truly defend themselves...

Are there any times in ancient history where a civilisation/society gave up their only way to truly defend themselves and were subsequently oppressed?

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You're gravely mistaken if you think that you stand a chance against tanks and missiles with your guns.

Yes. Pinochet's referendum--subjecting his dictatorship to the whims of the masses. The moment he began to pretend to be democratic, he scarified the one weapon he had.

Actually surviving the fight isn't the point, it's assuring that the gov't and military have extreme inertia against any kind of civil military occupation/action due to the possibility of a 2-sided conflict.

All nationalized militaries could shitstomp there own civilian population, but most of them wouldn't even if ordered to if there were a real possibility of civilian resistance

le tanks and missiles meme again

bare minimum CIA estimates are that 80% of the military would defect if a civil war broke out because the government would be seen as the enemy, as Americans are a liberated people. that's the fundamental difference between America and literally every single other country on the planet. America is the only country in the world where every person is free. You just don't understand that because you aren't worldly.

>Vietnam
>Afghanistan
>Northern Ireland
You don't know all that much about history, do you?

Vietnam and Afghanistan were lost because no president would give the order to go over there and fuck them up, eliminate them, and come back. He just said the political equivalent of "go over there and idk, scare them or something"

> tfw you need guns to defend yourself from the police state you actively created and support

yeah we're stupid for letting leftists take hold in the first place. we made that mistake, and now we must correct it.

Even the Chinese and Soviets were unable to beat the Vietnamese and Afghans, and they certainly weren't short of the political will to do so.

>HURR u cant fight dah state with just guns!!!
Someone should go tell the Iraqis who BTFO of the American occupation this, they'll be so embarrassed!

>fuck them up, eliminate them, and come back
You do understand that both Vietnam and Afghanistan were waged on S&D basis, right? Literally the only thing anybody was doing was killing as many opposing force as possible. The fucking problem with asymmetrical warfare is that you can't literally kill the entire population and the more you try to, the more they mobilize against you.

Nobody actually needs the guns to defend from the """police state""", that's a leftypol meme (even though nobody can own guns and we should just let the police protect us???)

>tanks and missiles and drones meme
You're retarded. You can't run a police state with these things.

The UK is a police state, the USA is not.

>the USA is not a police state

delusional

how's that prison population?
how's that mass surveillance?
how's that police brutality?

two of those are non-issues and one is justified because it's in the interest of making sure commies don't ruin liberty for everybody

>heh, one of the largest countries in the world has a per capita prison population lower than the next top 40 combined, heh how's that police state?

how can the country with the largest prison population on the planet not be a police state by definition?

How else would you even define a police state?

>per capita prison population lower than the next top 40 combined

source? wikipedia says it is the highest per capita

the USA is number 213 on this list
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate#Incarceration_rates

my man, it is number 2 behind the seychelles

it is only number 213 when you sort the list alphabetically lmao

Fucking lol

and the seychelles has less than 100k citizens it's a statistical anomaly

The Seychelles has a population of 100,000, and it's a geographically microscopic island about 1000 miles off the north east coast of Madagascar. Most small towns in America have more people than that entire country.

The only thing these charts "prove" if anything at all is that yes, there exist people in the USA who are in prison.

so you're saying the US does not have the largest prison population and the highest incarceration rate in the world?

The meme that the US lost to the Viet Kangz in Vietnam needs to die, South Vietnam was defeated by a conventional North Vietnamese army with combined arms mechanized infantry, tanks, and artillery which took them over in a conventional war. The US BEAT the guerilla forces, the Viet Cong had been all but eliminated by the time it withdrew, it was the North Vietnamese army which won the war.

You are one stupid motherfucker.

At least in the USA people are in prison for actual violent crimes, or drug crimes, instead of being in prison for thought crimes, like they are in China, the UK, North Korea, etc etc.

youtube.com/watch?v=EunyfX-Zjo4

i'm saying incarceration "rate" is meaningless. it's for "all ages" but every country has different ratios and numbers of adults and children. most children won't be committing a crime severe enough to end up in prison. and your conclusion is based on the assumption that every country in the world has the exact same ratio of adults to children as the USA

post a stupid meme , get a stupid answer

Look I'm not out to compare the US with fucking congo or mali or whatever.

My point is just that I don't think you can say the UK is a police state but the US is not when the incarceration rate in the US is literally 5x the UK

and i'm saying you can't say a country is a police state because it has violent criminals in prison. you could though if it has people in prison for political "crimes", such as ""hate" speech"

We have to do something with our niggers they refuse to go back to Africa

Any estimates on Federal and State Agencies? Why do I get the feeling that the ATF would still go on being pigs for the government?

and you don't consider drug possession a political "crime"? How is that not a matter of personal autonomy?

idk, but i heard the reason the guns were taken up in australia was because their agencies conducted a similar analysis to that done by the CIA (civil war scenario) and found that they would be BTFO by the militia, so they grabbed all the guns at the first chance they got

>prager U
dumped

it's VDH

You're gravely mistaken if you think that the American military who are overwhelmingly composed of masculine plebs would not have any qualms in putting down their own pleb brethren, who are by and large the lawful holders of the guns, and often their own families and kin. It would defeat their reason for being, and be a self-obviating mission.

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